"OCCUPY WALL STREET"

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Slavik81 said:
I've been following this thread from the beginning, and I still don't know what these protesters actually want. As far as I can tell, they all want different things.

Is the end goal an anarchist revolution, criminal trials for random unnamed bank employees, laws limiting corporate donations to political parties, laws limiting ALL private donations to political parties, or the abolishment of the federal reserve and a move to the gold standard?

Higher taxes, reducing deductions, throwing out politicians who supported the stimulus program, throwing out politicians who opposed the stimulus program?

What is the protest about? Do they even agree on what it is they want?

What policies am I endorsing if I support their protest?
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they dont seem to have coherent demands, but that doesnt matter at this point. they've put the conversation about inequality and lack of accountability in a context that was otherwise ignored or sneered at by MSM. shifting the context of the debate is half the battle.
 
who cares about manos?! Get off the guys tit already, he won't even appear on the podcast he's just here to rile people up. He's metaphorically wearing a "DEBATE ME, BRO" t-shirt.

I can't believe how quickly the protests have spread already. I wonder what it will be like a month from now, and what happens if it lasts during the winter and snow.
 
Joe said:
who cares about manos?! Get off the guys tit already, he won't even appear on the podcast he's just here to rile people up. He's metaphorically wearing a "DEBATE ME, BRO" t-shirt.

I can't believe how quickly the protests have spread already. I wonder what it will be like a month from now, and what happens if it lasts during the winter and snow.
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I already said The Phillies are playing. I'm not going to try and do a podcast and watch the game.
 
Wazzim said:
Manos, why did you support the protests in Libya but are so negative about protests in the US?
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I personally dislike how the protests have no clear message at all. It is just a vague "We want things to be better, make them better" type thing.
 
Guys, I've come to realize that these protesters have been right all along and I'm heading to the one nearby in Boston. I mean corporate greed has gone too far and it must be stopped. We need to stand together in one voice! This is the most important struggle of our time- to get EA to delay BF3, in order to provide Dice more time in polishing the game. I understand it's a beta, but too much work is needed on this game when it's scheduled to be released in just a few weeks. We must end EA's corporate personhood, man. I'm in the process of making my sign that will say "EA, stop COD-ifying my Battlefield!" I do not want to have to wait until Halo 4 is released for a new fun FPS multiplayer.
 
Drkirby said:
I personally dislike how the protests have no clear message at all. It is just a vague "We want things to be better, make them better" type thing.
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It was the same in all those arab countries until shit hit the fan, people didn't ask for their leaders to leave at first.
 
Wazzim said:
It was the same in all those arab countries until shit hit the fan, people didn't ask for their leaders to leave at first.
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I personally would not like the protesters to ask our leaders to leave.

I really don't know though, we will just have to wait and see how it unfolds. It is in the middling stages of being laughable at how badly it is being done, and being a large scale protest with a clear message. Maybe we will get some good changes to tax code and regulations for Wall Street. Could even get some curb ball, like a new Political Party. There is still more then enough time to get a decent amount of people to a party that doesn't exists yet into the House.
 
Wazzim said:
It was the same in all those arab countries until shit hit the fan, people didn't ask for their leaders to leave at first.
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Drkirby said:
Well, I am just going to try and write a short message to them to try and cut back on the the amount of speculative trade done in it. I got this email from one of our Senitors:

Now, I don't take these things at face value, so I did some research into it, and he is more or less right. The amount of day trading done in the Commodities market has gone up more then 2000% in the past 15 years, especially in Oil futures. One example I found in anther article was when Gas reach $4 per Gallon in 2008. The amount of oil supplied went up compared to 2007, and the use went down compared to 2007, yet the prices continued to go up anyway.

If you think something is wrong, I will more then gladly take evidence showing otherwise. I could clearly be a fool who bought into confirmation bias when looking into it.
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I don't think I'd agree with that without knowing what measures you'd be supporting in order to do so. There certainly have been commodity bubbles (with all kinds of causes), but I'd be very careful about how they are to be discouraged. Particularly as a lot of people disagree over which are bubbles and which are legitimate. I would probably ask for a handful of smaller specific things, like limits on the rate at which trades can be conducted (slowing down high frequency trading).

Nevertheless, good for you for doing so. I think it's probably specific enough to get a discussion going.

theignoramus said:
they dont seem to have coherent demands, but that doesnt matter at this point. they've put the conversation about inequality and lack of accountability in a context that was otherwise ignored or sneered at by MSM. shifting the context of the debate is half the battle.
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Banking reform to make banks more responsible has been going on over the past 2 years. Basel 3 was radically brought about by this current mess, as has a variety of other national regulations in countries around the world.

For example, regulations requiring orderly wind-up plans for banks have passed. It's one small step of many that will help make banks and their shareholders take responsibility for their failures.

However, if you're talking about arresting bankers and throwing them in jail, it's not going to happen unless you can point out someone who actually committed a crime. If that's what they want, they should be holding up signs saying 'throw X in jail for Y'.
 
Drkirby said:
I personally would not like the protesters to ask our leaders to leave.

I really don't know though, we will just have to wait and see how it unfolds. It is in the middling stages of being laughable at how badly it is being done, and being a large scale protest with a clear message. Maybe we will get some good changes to tax code and regulations for Wall Street. Could even get some curb ball, like a new Political Party. There is still more then enough time to get a decent amount of people to a party that doesn't exists yet into the House.
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It seems like it's a rough new beginning but it will gel as more and more people catch on and it is mainstreamed. Of course the interesting thing will be when all of those people's ideals eventually clash.
 
Smash said:
First it was the way they dress now it's the way they make their announcements. Either you're the most superficial moron I've seen ever or you're just a kid definitely younger than 16. I'm starting to think it's the second.
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Using Anon was a something most agreed was stupid as they have no clue how to actually protest and brings a lot of useless baggage. More so, it was the point that they're claiming they're making their first official announcement, when they already DID earlier.

If I'm 16 then I'm youngest guy ever to have a law degree. lol
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Using Anon was a something most agreed was stupid as they have no clue how to actually protest and brings a lot of useless baggage. More so, it was the point that they're claiming they're making their first official announcement, when they already DID earlier.

If I'm 16 then I'm youngest guy ever to have a law degree. lol
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I've heard a lot of mean lawyer jokes in my life but this is the most offensive.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Nice how you couldn't even respond to the point I made, but if that's how you concede defeat so be it.
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I didn't see a point in your post, maybe you're referring to the usual gibberish of yours where you make generalizations about groups you don't like, is that it? The only thing that resembles to a point was the part where you're bragging like an idiot because they said first official statement and you found another one that isn't official.
 
A Human Becoming said:
I went to Occupy Maine today. Video here.
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Good for you! Thanks for linking that video and letting us know. If any of you guys get out there and get involved with any of the Occupy movements in your area, let us know here.
There are two tomorrow that I'll be visiting; I'll post up information from them both.

EDIT: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution?utm_source=lsplayer
It's back live, and it appears there are 15 marines or so at the site of the camera feed.

EDIT 2: Looks like The United Steel Workers have thrown in their support for the Occupy movement. Excellent if true!
http://occupyeverywhere.blogspot.com/2011/10/united-steelworkers-announce-support.html
 
Smash said:
I didn't see a point in your post, maybe you're referring to the usual gibberish of yours where you make generalizations about groups you don't like, is that it? The only thing that resembles to a point was the part where you're bragging like an idiot because they said first official statement and you found another one that isn't official.
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Except they already treated it as an official statement.

CHEEZMO™ said:
Now that this is picking up steam I feel we should start a new thread. One that hasn't been shit up by Manos.
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I'll be right there. :)
 
Smash said:
I didn't see a point in your post, maybe you're referring to the usual gibberish of yours where you make generalizations about groups you don't like, is that it? The only thing that resembles to a point was the part where you're bragging like an idiot because they said first official statement and you found another one that isn't official.
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On the messanging bit, it's true they don't have a message, and their numbers have fluctuated.

The NY times reported and confirm both things 1) message is all over the map 2) part-time protestors come and go.

Not dissing the protest in this case, but I can see people circling the wagons and the bunker mentality settling in.
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The hodgepodge Lower Manhattan encampment known as Occupy Wall Street has no appointed leaders, no expiration date for its rabble-rousing stay and still-evolving goals and demands. Yet its two weeks of noisy occupation has lured a sturdily faithful and fervent constituency willing to express discontentment with what they feel is an inequitable financial system until, well, whenever.

They arrived by design and desire. Or by sheer serendipity.

Like Jillian Aydelott, 19, and Ben Mason, 20. They are a couple, both having taken an indefinite leave from school in Boston to travel across the country, very much on the cheap. Stopping in Providence, R.I., five days ago to sleep at a homeless shelter, they encountered a man who called himself Germ and said he was an activist. He was coming to the protest. They figured why not. They have yet to leave.

Ms. Aydelott’s feeling was: “Nothing is happening. People on Wall Street have all the power.”

The stalwarts seem to range from a relatively modest 100 to 300 people, though the ranks swelled to more than 2,000 on Friday as the protest began to attract mainstream attention from those disaffected with the weak economy and to enlist support from well-known liberals.
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CHEEZMO™ said:
Now that this is picking up steam I feel we should start a new thread. One that hasn't been shit up by Manos.
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best idea yet. Anyone feeling vigorous and up to the task?
 
Joe said:
best idea yet. Anyone feeling vigorous and up to the task?
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I wouldn't mind giving it a go . . . Give me a some time to get together appropriate info and links, and please PM me info you'd like to be included.
Manos is certainly invited, but don't feed the trolls, folks. Just ignore and move along :D
 
CHEEZMO™ said:
Now that this is picking up steam I feel we should start a new thread. One that hasn't been shit up by Manos.
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Be sure to include "Without Manos" in the title, like the Avatar thread was "Without Scullibundo"
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Doesn't mean I'm not going to be there. Besides I thought no one cared about me anyway, but it seems you guys do?
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When you are every other post, it's hard to ignore. Well, there is one way to solve that....
 
cooljeanius said:
Be sure to include "Without Manos" in the title, like the Avatar thread was "Without Scullibundo"
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You just made me laugh. Kudos!

Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Doesn't mean I'm not going to be there. Besides I thought no one cared about me anyway, but it seems you guys do?
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