Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Except they weren't fictional.
Proof. Non-anecdotal preferably.
You do think it'd be funny to see the misguided kids attack some people in uniform though.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Except they weren't fictional.
akira28 said:Proof. Non-anecdotal preferably.
As a "spitee," I just love these attempts to rewrite history. Let's not let these people get away with it. The way returning veterans were treated was disgraceful.
I joined in 70 and was a cadet until commissioning in 74, did not go to Vietnam, yet have a barracks bag full of abuse stories. Marching in a Veterans Day parade in NYC; bags of human feces thrown into the formation. Hometown pastor called me aside after a service while on leave, had me kneel down, and asked God to forgive me for being "a mercenary butcher". Direct quote. Went to West Point's away game at Boston College; same weekend as the "peaceful" anti-war riots (are we pretending they didn't happen, too?); physically attacked in a bar by peace activists." Waiting for a plane at SF Airport; had to come to the aid of a kid fresh back from Vietnam who was being physically attacked by "pacifists." Want more? First time back on leave I called the girl I'd been dating for 2 years in high school; parents wouldn't let me speak to her; said they didn't want their daughter associating with "undesirables."
I know why people want so badly to rewrite history. Many of them have a hell of a lot they want to pretend did not happen. After I got my appointment, one of the peace-loving hippies in my highschool called me a facist and threw a punch. As fate would have it, after retirement I moved back to my hometown and a couple years later the very same guy moved in across the street. He is now a gung-ho, super patriot (now that he isn't facing the draft) and mortified by how he acted when soldier-bashing was fashionable.
I wish spitting was the worst of it. Much prefer that to having to march a mile at rigid attention with some "peace-activist's" shit smeared on me.
But I'm not bitter. No, sir. Not after the electro-shock therapy. In fact I feel much better now. Anybody seen my pills?
I of an age where I have no political ax to grind either from the far right or far left. Frankly I'm really rather tired of all of the polarizing screeching from both sides. I can however relate an incident that happened to me in Chicago in 1970. I was a Marine PFC in uniform walking down Michigan Avenue to catch a train home for a few days of leave before begin sent to Viet Nam when a significantly older waitress came running out of a shop yelling at me that I was a murderer. She followed me for a bit, continuing her tirade and then quickly ran back to her place of work. There were no newspaper reporters or photographers on hand to verify the incident for Mr. Lembcke, but my memory is very clear and it happened just as I report whether or not Mr. Lembcke or anyone else believes it or not. There was a businessman walking along beside me who simply remarked after the lady left us that, "It takes all kinds to make a world."
http://www.foodinsurance.com/Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Food insurance, what silliness is that?
So retards buying overpriced MRE's. Man I need to show that to my dad, who was a Marine, he'd laugh his ass off at designer and high priced MRE's. I tired one once (he got it from a Marine Christmas party held by a Judge), I'm fairly certain those things will never taste good or convesly go bad. Lolmre said:http://www.foodinsurance.com/
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Pretty much. It's ridiculous.Manos: The Hans of Fate said:So retards buying overpriced MRE's. Man I need to show that to my dad, who was a Marine, he'd laugh his ass off at designer and high priced MRE's. I tired one once (he got it from a Marine Christmas party held by a Judge), I'm fairly certain those things will never taste good or convesly go bad. Lol
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Here is a guy who had shit tossed on him.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=recent_user_posts;u=00010233
He was spit on
http://www.amazon.com/review/RGXDDJ...e=UTF8&ASIN=0814751474&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Biased and dramatized just a bit, perhaps?
Hey he asked, and didn't want anecdotal evidence.kame-sennin said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Hey he asked, and didn't want anecdotal evidence.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Hey he asked, and didn't want anecdotal evidence.
mre said:
nilbog21 said:loooool
akira28 said:So you provide anecdotes.That's the thing, growing up I saw this image basically dramatized in media and meme. The hateful Anti-American hippy. But there's never anything more than a story of someone hearing it happening to someone else, or remembering seeing something like that, always a sparse recollection, but never anything verifiable or any references archived. I don't believe it happened.
Paypal me (you or others combined) 200 USD and I'll never post in this thread again. I am dead serious.;pcoldvein said:manos, how much money do you want?
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Paypal me (you or others combined) 200 USD and I'll never post in this thread again. I am dead serious.;p
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/press_box/2007/03/picketts_charge.2.htmlakira28 said:y'know...just in case a black President can't hack it, and turns the country to ruin, at least you have surplus MREs and foil packaged seeds. There's that.
Oh yeah, anecdote #2...a waitress yelled at the guy. She wasn't a hippie, and she didn't spit on the dude, apparently.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Except it did. Are you claiming no returning Vietnam Vetran was mistreated upon their return home? Part of the problem is something like this would never formally be reported to the police or recorded on video or audio. You're not going to find archival evidence for it. Though it does appear referenced in contemporary material and not post war time period. I can provide that if you want
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:So retards buying overpriced MRE's. Man I need to show that to my dad, who was a Marine, he'd laugh his ass off at designer and high priced MRE's. I tired one once (he got it from a Marine Christmas party held by a Judge), I'm fairly certain those things will never taste good or convesly go bad. Lol
nateeasy said:Saw this in the reddit comments
Dont know what a punishment would be but it looks like he could get in trouble for wearing his uniform.
I just provided you with a source, from a news story.akira28 said:That's the whole trick Manos. As often as the press was there to see returning soldiers from late 60s on, all those soldiers rotating back in, and not one news story, not one picture, not one ounce of proof of that sort of misconduct. No pictures of spitting hippies anywhere ever.
Are you saying that the Anti-War Left was ineffective? The problem with Vietnam, much like Korea was that the military could not effectively fight the war. In part due to valid geopolitical concerns, but the truth was they had to maintain the status quo, not change the situation. It just worked better in Korea than in Vietnam. Unfortunately for those in South Vietnam, they never got the chance to eventually become like the Republic of Korea.You've heard stories, so have I. Anti-peace demonstrators can have a motive for making shit up like those honorable soldiers who went on record and said John Kerry basically didn't deserve his medals. There's also the post Vietnam Conservstive backlash that retroactively blamed the Left for losing the war. "We were winning but anti-war sentiment forced Nixon..." or "We were winning but all that hippie drug culture invaded the armed forces" or whoever they felt like blaming 10 years later. Not themselves of course.
To a large extent it was the media, along with the problem I discussed above, my dad said he realized after the Tet Offensive when Cronkite went on the news and with other reporting he felt that the country had abandoned them. This was coming from a life long democrat and liberal, and possibly one of the only Former Marines with a Veterans For Kerry yard on the law, not someone who was part of the Conservative establishment.But yes, the Conservative media will provide examples. I grew up Conservative, I've seen them. I heard a vet saying the other day that the command structure was broken and you had so many disillusioned kids refusing to fight, refusing to follow orders from their superior officers, and actual squabbles between the ranks. That this was the real reason that will never make it out, the management of the conflict was what got away from them. Of course the Conservatives just blame the Democrats for lacking the will for victory. Everyone has stories.
I've gotten something much more valuable than that. The first ever user I WANT TO ADD TO A BLOCKED/IGNORE LIST. ZOMG. Not seeing his posts is a beautiful, beautiful thing.coldvein said:ten bux, manos.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:I just provided you with a source, from a news story.
Are you saying that the Anti-War Left was ineffective? The problem with Vietnam, much like Korea was that the military could not effectively fight the war. In part due to valid geopolitical concerns, but the truth was they had to maintain the status quo, not change the situation. It just worked better in Korea than in Vietnam. Unfortunately for those in South Vietnam, they never got the chance to eventually become like the Republic of Korea.
To a large extent it was the media, along with the problem I discussed above, my dad said he realized after the Tet Offensive when Cronkite went on the news and with other reporting he felt that the country had abandoned them. This was coming from a life long democrat and liberal, and possibly one of the only Former Marines with a Veterans For Kerry yard on the law, not someone who was part of the Conservative establishment.
akira28 said:You provided me with a news story written in 07 about an anecdotal account given almost 40 years ago.
Did you click on the link? He posted the actual CBS News Story video
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/press_box/2007/03/picketts_charge.html
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Than why does South Korea exist now?And you say 'valid geopolitical concerns' I say 'can't fight a war that you don't really want to win anyway' denial.
No, I didn'tbut wasn't it you that pointed out that the major demonstrations didn't occur until the war had been being fought for 10 years, so why ask me about their effectiveness in protesting a secret war?
yes. ask yourself this. and the North for that matter.Manos: The Hans of Fate said:Than why does South Korea exist now?
A war were winning wasn't the objective, but containment was. One where you couldn't truly win.akira28 said:yes. ask yourself this.
Arm Sales and Chinaand the North for that matter.
Dartastic said:NOT SEEING MANOS'S POSTS IS SO BEAUTIFUL
i hadn't actually enabled the block function yet when I made that post. Now I have. =DUltimaPooh said:You already pointed that out. Give it a rest.
I hope not. I want a kindle fire before we become a Cuban paradise.effingvic said:i hope todays showers gave those hippies a much needed bath
is capitalism dead yet?
akira28 said:yes. ask yourself this. and the North for that matter.
Tristam said:I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but without American involvement there surely would be one Korea--united under the rule of Kim Jong-il. Kim Il-sung had the backing of Stalin and Mao.
Are you high, drunk, or just stupid?coldvein said:manos, your mama raised you wrong. is she okay? is she dead?
jamesinclair said:The protests have spread to Boston.
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XMonkey said:LA, also.