brownfedora
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It's the first year. You want an open platform where we're getting content from everywhere. It should have an indie feel. It's still early...
Oculus Rift available for preorder for $599.99, shipping in March
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It's the first year. You want an open platform where we're getting content from everywhere. It should have an indie feel. It's still early...
You're wasting your breath. There are just some people who expected his to launch at $199 and be adopted by everyone by the end of the year.
anothertech
Member
Oh I can explain my point-
The rift is targeting anyone that might be interested in VR. So for the millions of us that have a decent PC and PS4, we really need to decide between the two.
The 'too expensive VR' quote has been Lucky's mantra since 2012 dk1 days. The entire vision behind oculus rift was to make VR a consumer mass adoption product. The Dev kit one and two were almost half the price of the consumer version.
What really doesn't make sense are those of you that are trying to argue the Rift was never supposed to be a widely adopted consumer device. That has been the soul goal of the rift since inception, and they have been VERY vocal about it. Anyone following the development knows this. This price is a point that directly conflicts with this goal. It's a bit upsetting.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not pissed because I can't afford it. I already preordered. I'm pissed about the effect this price will have on consumers in general. The community will be much smaller for a good while because of this decision. That sucks, because it affects the amount of developers and funding that will be put behind VR software.
Sony will likely fix this by setting a decent price point and throwing Dev teams and funding exclusively for its device ehich will push the market much further ahead. It just would have been nice if oculus could have done this in the same capacity which it won't at this price. And that is bullshi*
You think FB is forcing them to sell for a profit? FB?
If anything they could be selling them at a loss.
buenoblue
Member
Maybe devices like gear vr a the future way to go. Mobiles are getting higher res and more powerful all the time. I got a gear vr a couple of weeks ago and it's very impressive. Much better than my dk1. Gear vr is even higher res than occulus rift which is baffling. All the video apps are gonna probably look better on gear vr. Plus samsung are on the verge of 4k screens with Sony already there with a phone.
Yes mobiles suitable for use as vr screens are expensive but they serve so many other purposes it won't matter.
Yes mobiles suitable for use as vr screens are expensive but they serve so many other purposes it won't matter.
I certainly will
I honestly don't think the controller is contributing much to the cost, and definitely not enough to justify the added burden of juggling multiple SKUs.
That's true. Wii U preorders are proof of that.
No, but a lot more PS4 owners will pick up PSVR if it is.
mugurumakensei
Member
Actually, it's being sold below cost.
BarringGaffner
Member
So you're going to spend as much getting a PS4 and PSVR instead of a higher quality OR?
Unless you don't already have a high end PC... in which case this release isn't really for you anyways.
I don't understand why people think $1000 for a phone is acceptable but $600 for a high end VR goggle is crazy.
Yeah, mostly from people with a PS4 and a Dell laptop from 2011.
BlastProcessing
Member
How about the iPod and the Kindle? We are talking about the general strategy here.
Exactly, for those people the barrier of entry is far lower.
Omega Kirby
Member
And like that the Virtual Reality Era comes to an end
Like making you forget that $600 is not "obscenely cheap" for most gamers.
mario_O
Member
I don't think they're going to hit the majority of the enthusiasts either. At 399-499 they could've. 750 euros is too much.
I already have both a high end PC and a PS4.
I have a preorder for the rift in, I may cancel it mattering on how stuff goes announcement wise in the next few months.
Aztechnology
Member
The bundle is being sold below production cost? You're seperating the Rift as an individual unit. At this time we cannot buy the Rift by itself. But I admit I am technically wrong.
I'm not sure if the cost is the total cost of the extras is near $100 but Lucky's Tail adds more than $0 to the price. A team had to have been paid to develop it so instead of selling separately and possibly losing money, everyone is forced to buy it.
High. End. Gaming. PC.
Why would a high end pc gamer pick up a PS4 and PSVR for that VR experience.
nogoodnamesleft
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I refuse to believe these posters believe what they post
IchigoSharingan
Member
Is it bizarre if your demographic for a gen 1 launch is price insensitive?
In econ, it's basically inelastic demand. People who will look at the price and go "urk! i only wanted to drop xxx dollars" aren't the demographic Rift is going for on this round.
You vastly overstate this number.
I asked where you got the $700-900 from, or what other headsets he referred to. Compared to what old VR costs, $600 is pennies.
Oculus plans to help make VR mass market. This iteration is not intended to do that all on its own immediately. Suggesting that is their expectation is dishonest or ignorant.
No, PSVR is more comparable to Rift, Vive. Full positional tracking, Low latency, wide FOV, secondary screen, motion controllers, RGB OLED display, excellent ergonomic design.
Undoubtedly PSVR has some disadvantages in raw computing power, but Sony have made some good design decisions and trade-offs,
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
As a counter argument, the people who would but a $600 headset are likely very enthusiastic about gaming and would likely own multiple gaming platforms. I have no stats, but I'd argue of people who own multiple gaming platforms, the most common combination this gen is PC and PS4.
Anecdotally, I own a PC and PS4 and really want to jump on this despite not having much in my savings account. However, I also feel inclined to wait and see for PSVR as I'd definitely not be adopting both right away. And hopefully someone finds a way to make PSVR work on PC or Oculus vice versa because it also seems like bullshit that I'd have to buy two of same things
Yeah Yeah I own two gaming platforms which are the same things in that sense, but I would like to view VR headsets as an accessory not a platform.
baphomet
Member
Sony could say $100 and it wouldn't make it a better product than the Oculus. People willing to pay $600-700 for this want a high end VR experience.
And the "no reason not to wait" line is such bullshit. Why buy anything when something better will come out later? Why buy a PS4 when a PS5 will come out?
I don't really accept the "It wasn't supposed to be mass market" argument based on all the messaging up until recently, but this is an obvious point I hadn't considered. I'd rather early adopters drive premium VR than get garbage that fizzles out in any case. Hope Oculus finds the success they're looking for.
And Oculus is not targeting that group here. If a somewhat inferior VR experience on a console they already own is what the person wants, they aren't part of the market Oculus is going after with the Rift. As others have said, oculus would love for the people who weren't going to buy a Rift to buy a PSVR. It only helps them.
Coded Heroin
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I don't know why people are surprised about the price. What did you guys expect it to be? lol
The thing that no one seems to be even mentioning is where the fuck are these games/apps going to come from with the Oculus Rift? They are praying and hoping these indie devs, and smaller teams make high quality experiences for the Oculus Rift. Right now it's all tech demos, gimmicky shit, and attaching VR to games that are already done. For racing sims, space sims, and some other games this is no problem since those experiences translate well to VR, but where are these games/apps/experiences that are built from the ground up using the Oculus Rift? What plan do they have moving forward to ensure high quality content is being delivered to the Rift on a consistent basis? It seems like there is no real pipeline of games/apps coming out for the Rift, and no real plan at the moment. It's highly doubtful that the bigger video game companies are going to go all in with the Rift considering how risk averse they are. Which leaves the smaller teams to pick up the slack.
The Oculus Rift has more problems than just the initial high price. They have yet to establish a pipeline to produce content for this thing which is the real worrisome aspect. Developers are only now starting to wrap their brains around this thing, and it's going to be quite some time before we see the fruits of their labor. In the mean time they are asking me to pay 600$ for what? They have no killer app, the controller isn't even ready, the initial price is high, the pipeline for games/apps isn't remotely close to being ready, and they seem to have no real plan moving forward to develop high quality experiences on the Rift. Until they get the price down and start producing high quality content VR is going to forever remain niche, and it has a real possibility of being a niche of a niche. Doesn't matter how cool the tech is if there is nothing to do on it. That's the other enormous hurdle no one seems to even mention right now.
The Oculus Rift has more problems than just the initial high price. They have yet to establish a pipeline to produce content for this thing which is the real worrisome aspect. Developers are only now starting to wrap their brains around this thing, and it's going to be quite some time before we see the fruits of their labor. In the mean time they are asking me to pay 600$ for what? They have no killer app, the controller isn't even ready, the initial price is high, the pipeline for games/apps isn't remotely close to being ready, and they seem to have no real plan moving forward to develop high quality experiences on the Rift. Until they get the price down and start producing high quality content VR is going to forever remain niche, and it has a real possibility of being a niche of a niche. Doesn't matter how cool the tech is if there is nothing to do on it. That's the other enormous hurdle no one seems to even mention right now.
Pretty much nothing about Vive is superior besides it's tracking system.
Having used one, no, they are devkits, they're cool, but the quality isn't there.
I'm going to wait to try the Rift and the Vive before buying one, I had motion sickness with the DK1, and I'm not prone to motion sickness at all, but the DK1 got me hard. They really really are just for development, they are years old tech.
I don't...hence why I'm still using a nexus 4 I got for 400$ years ago.
My personal issue is with it being 1g I expect I'll need to upgrading annually until headset tech matures. And I can't afford that. But then I also don't do annual pc upgrades. My pc still is 2600k based.
That said its priced as I expected.
mario_O
Member
Have you seen the consumer version?
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
I think people with high-end gaming PC's are still gamers and will pick up whichever has a lot of software support.
Or the PS4 owners who may also have a more powerful PC than the PS4 that's not Oculus/Vive ready (like myself).
There's a pretty substantial gap between 2011 Dell laptop -> Oculus minimum reqs. It's not like my PC has ever had a problem running any new games, but apparently it ain't gonna cut it for VR.
Eighty Deuce
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599? It better have a year subscription to VR pornhub at that price.
CarbonFire
Member
I'm in the same boat. Have a VR-capable PC, PS4, and while I have preordered a Rift now, I may cancel it for the PSVR if it turns out it's "good enough" at a much cheaper price and if Sony really pushes their exclusives on the platform. And no doubt due to the lower price developers will be more enticed to support PSVR, as that's where the majority of the early adopter VR userbase will likely be.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
What are these better/more exclusives you keep referring to?
Aztechnology
Member
Waiting on sony's next console doesn't parallel this at all. Sony doesn't compete with itself. So it's not really like waiting on the next sony console. We know there are other consumer VR products coming out soon. Why not see what they have to offer before making a large purchase like this?