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[CornBurrito]

You sound like a crazy person and personally I find beefier men more attractive than skinny dudes. Also this attitude will do nothing to help the person. If you came at me will that attitude I would probably knock you out right where you stand tbh.

JFC this personality is too much.

 

[GalacticToast]

That's good on you. It doesn't work on most because they just stopped caring. They'll just eat whatever they want and wait on a magic bullet in medicine to cure them.

Oh definitely. Most people are lazy. No one wants to be fat. It's just that it's easy. If you could push a button and be in amazing shape (or at least not fat) everyokne would do it in a heartbeat.

I was mainly saying that fat shaming can work in certain circumstances.

JFC this personality is too much.

I love watching folks be tough on GAF

 

[MogCakes]

Lol Japan and Korea at lowest percentages. We should all eat more seafood.

 

[truly101]

I havent had fast food or soft drinks since prior to Christmas and have lost 30 pounds with really light exercise. We really try to watch the sugar and salt contents of everyday foods. Sugar is in everything now to ridiculous amounts. Im pretty sure it has a lot to do with the obesity rate in this country.

 

[Madness]

I'm assuming you mean me with the bolded and I'd like to clarify a bit. The thing is, treating fat adults (like me) as a lost cause (which I know I'm not... well... mostly) is not a good way to get results. We should be figuring out ways of educating and helping adults lose weight that aren't just "do it yourself" because, right now, no amount of health advice in schools or free healthy school meals will do much to fix the influence having a fat parent has on a child, at most you'll get minor incremental steps. There's also the fact that, if we don't reduce the 39% soon the strain on medical systems in the UK and US is going to be immense, going at the issue exclusively with multi-generational solutions won't help that. Of course education and the like are 100% needed yesterday, I'm not denying that.

I know this is purely anecdotal, but despite having magnitudes more experience in cooking and preparing decent food than some of my peers (believe me, it's bad with some people) I'm a fat bastard whereas they're healthy; the major differentiating factor in that equation is not education, but whether we had overweight parents or not.

You're right. I didn't mean to say that adults don't need help. They do. I honestly think this is something that needs to be looked at sort of like a national emergency. This is a disaster waiting to happen because like you said, these are obese adults who will likely be obese seniors putting strains on already overburdened health services. I think the NHS in the UK which is already badly funded, is now denying obese patients surgery in a bid to save costs. But if over 30% of the UK is or is going to obese, that is tens of millions of people who will struggle. Are you able to find out exactly why you cannot lose the weight? For me it was that I consumed unhealthy amounts of pop/cola. To the point where I didn't overeat but liquid calories and sugaes had me over 1000 calories more per day.

I truly wonder how this can be fixed in a highly partisan US. One where powerful food lobbies have senators and politicians in their pockets. Ideally, you would want to see things like gym memberships or team sports be tax neutral or offset with tax credits. So that if you put your son in a sports league you get that money back on your taxes, add taxes or levies to junk food or sodas, use that to fund parks and recreational area development or burdened health services, have another Michelle Obama style national mandate for school lunches to be healthier.

This infographic by the Washington Post is very good on the sheer issues obesity at a younge age causes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sLaXvE1aBmY

I have always liked this as because it visualizes decades of bad habits that we just never see.

 

[RenegadeXV8]

Yeah good luck buying an entire week's worth of groceries at Whole Foods when you have 2 kids, rent and other expenses and you're barely making ends meet...

Yeah, Whole Foods is the only place in America where you can purchase rice, beans, fruits, vegetables and lean meats.

 

[Oxn]

That's good on you. It doesn't work on most because they just stopped caring. They'll just eat whatever they want and wait on a magic bullet in medicine to cure them.

I say if people wanna get fat, let them get fat. No sweat off my back.

 

[Oxn]

Yeah good luck buying an entire week's worth of groceries at Whole Foods when you have 2 kids, rent and other expenses and you're barely making ends meet...

sounds like a whole lot of excuse.

 

[Flux]

You're right. I didn't mean to say that adults don't need help. They do. I honestly think this is something that needs to be looked at sort of like a national emergency. This is a disaster waiting to happen because like you said, these are obese adults who will likely be obese seniors putting strains on already overburdened health services. I think the NHS in the UK which is already badly funded, is now denying obese patients surgery in a bid to save costs. But if over 30% of the UK is or is going to obese, that is tens of millions of people who will struggle. Are you able to find out exactly why you cannot lose the weight? For me it was that I consumed unhealthy amounts of pop/cola. To the point where I didn't overeat but liquid calories and sugaes had me over 1000 calories more per day.

I truly wonder how this can be fixed in a highly partisan US. One where powerful food lobbies have senators and politicians in their pockets. Ideally, you would want to see things like gym memberships or team sports be tax neutral or offset with tax credits. So that if you put your son in a sports league you get that money back on your taxes, add taxes or levies to junk food or sodas, use that to fund parks and recreational area development or burdened health services, have another Michelle Obama style national mandate for school lunches to be healthier.

This infographic by the Washington Post is very good on the sheer issues obesity at a younge age causes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sLaXvE1aBmY

I have always liked this as because it visualizes decades of bad habits that we just never see.

I remember that one, it's a good article. We will only begin to see the effects of childhood obesity through a lifetime with our population. For almost all of the top obese countries, I don't see any changes without major legislation overhauls targeting the risky foods (like the soda tax).

 

[MogCakes]

We really try to watch the sugar and salt contents of everyday foods. Sugar is in everything now to ridiculous amounts. Im pretty sure it has a lot to do with the obesity rate in this country.

Almost every drink that isn't water in the US is packed full of sugar, as much as eating a damn candy bar. I have to avoid pretty much all of them (even the 'healthy' drinks) because of how much of it or corn syrup is in there.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

sounds like a whole lot of excuse.

It's a little known fact that a lot of people are near the poverty line.

But hey, being poor is just an excuse.

 

[Oxn]

It's a little known fact that a lot of people are near the poverty line.

But hey, being poor is just an excuse.

i was deadass poor growing up, so......

 

[Subpar Spatula]

i was deadass poor growing up, so......

And?

 

[RenegadeXV8]

It's a little known fact that a lot of people are near the poverty line.

But hey, being poor is just an excuse.

It's an excuse because people that perpetuate that myth don't actually know what healthy food even is or costs.

 

[Oxn]

And?

what?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

It's an excuse because people that perpetuate that myth don't actually know what healthy food even is or costs.

It's cheaper to buy instant noodles than vegetables. They even last longer. If you're trying to stretch the dollar then you're not going to afford to eat a well-rounded meal each time.

what?

You were about to detail what your meals were growing up so we can see how you did it. You said "deadass poor" so you must have some great tips on how to access health alternatives for deadass cheap.

 

[constantstatic]

JFC this personality is too much.

I'm too much but it's ok for that dude to tell people he thinks are fat that they are ugly ? I'd like to see how that works out for him in the real world.

 

[truly101]

Almost every drink that isn't water in the US is packed full of sugar, as much as eating a damn candy bar. I have to avoid pretty much all of them (even the 'healthy' drinks) because of how much of it or corn syrup is in there.

I drink water and coffee and pretty much it. My wife and I have found some healthy alternatives to the stuff we used to eat all the time and we have really tried to limit eating out, not just fast food. Not only is it expensive, but its just a ton of calories overall. Its crazy how one meal at a restaurant is like 1200-1500 calories. If thats all you are going to eat that day, you are still pushing your luck.

 

[Madness]

Added this to OP only because it visualizes the projected increases as a rate of population as well. It is a shame how much Canada and Mexico will be obese with the US ny around 2030. All of North America will be exclusively the fattest countries in the world in another decade. I wonder why Korea is also seeing a rising rate in terms of percentage growth? Any Korea bros chime in?

 

[Oxn]

It's cheaper to buy instant noodles than vegetables. They even last longer. If you're trying to stretch the dollar then you're not going to afford to eat a well-rounded meal each time.



You were about to detail what your meals were growing up so we can see how you did it. You said "deadass poor" so you must have some great tips on how to access health alternatives for deadass cheap.

Nope, no big tips. I was a kid, i didn't choose what i ate. I know i wasnt eating fast food though, too rich for me. Too poor for sweets, too poor for snacks, even cup noodles. Why drink soda when water is there?

I ate school breakfast, and i ate school lunches. Only thing home needed to provide was dinner.

If anything i might've been malnourished.

 

[CornBurrito]

I'm too much but it's ok for that dude to tell people he thinks are fat that they are ugly ? I'd like to see how that works out for him in the real world.

Wew lad, those are some magical eyes you got there seeing shit I didn't even say.

 

[Infinite]

It's an excuse because people that perpetuate that myth don't actually know what healthy food even is or costs.

Most people don't know what "healthy" food even is and that's because education surrounding nutrition has failed.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Nope, no big tips. I was a kid, i didn't choose what i ate. I know i wasnt eating fast food though, too rich for me. Too poor for sweets. Why drink soda when water is there?

If anything i might've been malnourished.

So you don't have any insight? You just want to say "stupid poor people and their excuses" while saying you might have been malnourished as a child due to poor choices by your parents?

Like, what are you trying to contribute here? If it's that there's healthy alternatives then I'm sure people would be more than happy to hear them.

 

[Oxn]

So you don't have any insight? You just want to say "stupid poor people and their excuses" while saying you might have been malnourished as a child due to poor choices by your parents?

Like, what are you trying to contribute here?

that being poor doesnt mean you need to be fat.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

What he just described is 600 calories. The amount of food an "average" adult should eat at dinner.

My father is the same way. Eats Burger King every day, but gets a Big Mac Jr. and onion rings. A very small meal to most Americans.

Uh.... if your father eats a Big Mac Jr (isn't that McDonalds, not Burger King? anyway) and onion rings every day, even if it's a "small portion", it's not remotely healthy.

Low-calorie meals can be extremely unhealthy, and high calorie meals can be very healthy. They are two distinct things.

that being poor doesnt mean you need to be fat.

Maybe, but uh, not only it's not any kind of productive statement, you actually admit that you were probably malnourished as a "deadass poor" kid, how is being malnourished any better than being fat? Jesus...

 

[CornBurrito]

i was deadass poor growing up, so......

And yet poverty and obesity are correlated in developed countries.

Maybe humans aren't perfect magical beings of free will.

 

[lenovox1]

It's cheaper to buy instant noodles than vegetables. They even last longer. If you're trying to stretch the dollar then you're not going to afford to eat a well-rounded meal each time.

Frozen veggies are pretty (very) cheap.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

that being poor doesnt mean you need to be fat.

OK.

So how?

Like, you do understand you only came here to say "being poor doesn't matter because I was poor and I didn't get fat". You've added zero value.

Frozen veggies are pretty (very) cheap.

Which is why their purchased a lot. You still have snacks, other meals, breakfast (which is usually cereal), etc which still bring that down. Eating well most of the time is expensive so folks choose between buying a tub of spaghetti sauce or paying way more to make it for 1 meal.

 

[Oxn]

And yet poverty and obesity are correlated in developed countries.

Maybe humans aren't perfect magical beings of free will.

did i say that?

 

[Goldenroad]

Stupid sexy Italians. How can they eat all that good stuff and not get fat?

 

[Oxn]

OK.

So how?

Like, you do understand you only came here to say "being poor doesn't matter because I was poor and I didn't get fat". You've added zero value.

so how what? I said being poor doesnt mean you have to eat bad. You dont have to snack, you dont have to eat fast food, you dont have to eat sweets.

Done with you.

 

[CornBurrito]

Frozen veggies are pretty (very) cheap.

A bag of frozen veggies doesn't have enough calories.

Most poor families aren't cooking family dinners. Or if they are, their problems wont be fixed by tossing in a packet of frozen veggies. Someone who is poor may be eating a single packet of ramen for their dinner.

 

[PtM]

Why is Finland so high up when the rest of Scandinavia is doing ok?

Obesity must somehow be linked to weapons.

 

[Madness]

Most people don't know what "healthy" food even is and that's because education surrounding nutrition has failed.

This. The OECD found that less educated adults were FAR more likely to be obese. Now couple that with the fact that less educated adults also likely to have lower paying jobs, and closer to poverty levels and you start to see data become clearer. Notice how in the CDC gif, the heaviest states are actually more rural, less educated, lower incomes.

Lack of proper education around cooking, food, meal preparation, what is actually healthy is also a major contributor.

There was a commercial that used to run in Canada, where people fed conflicting information daily. Ice hockey coach telling players to carb it up, while a fitness trainer saying go low carb.

 

[Master Of Illusion]

I wonder why Korea is also seeing a rising rate in terms of percentage growth? Any Korea bros chime in?

Not Korean myself, but when one is stocking up on Twinkies for the impending nuclear apocalypse, some of it's bound to get shoved down their throats.

 

[RenegadeXV8]

A bag of frozen veggies doesn't have enough calories.

Most poor families aren't cooking family dinners. Or if they are, their problems wont be fixed by tossing in a packet of frozen veggies. Someone who is poor may be eating a single packet of ramen for their dinner.

It's cheaper to buy instant noodles than vegetables. They even last longer. If you're trying to stretch the dollar then you're not going to afford to eat a well-rounded meal each time.

A 5lb bag of rice is far cheaper than the equivalent in ramen.

 

[entremet]

Stupid sexy Italians. How can they eat all that good stuff and not get fat?

Much less fast food.

Although they have very high childhood obesity rates.

 

[PerkeyMan]

Many fruits have a large amount of sugar. This is not refined sugar and has a lower GI than straight up ingesting granulated sugar / HFCS / etc. Fruits also provide fiber and have useful micronutrients.

Fruits are definitely healthier, than say, cookies. That does not mean sugary fruits (e.g., watermelon, pineapple, dates, grapes) are particularly healthy. Moderate quantities pose little issue for most people but there is little that fruit provides that vegetables + meat / other protein sources can't while avoiding the fructose intake.

But excess fruit consumption is far from the worst of the modern Western diet's problems. All I'm saying is that the extra sugars in fruit aren't great for an already carb-loaded high-fat SAD. We should definitely cut other carb sources before worrying about the fruit though!

No, you don't have to worry about fruit at all. Please provide studies that suggest otherwise. If you add fruit to a diet you will most likely eat less calories in total.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19413705
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26115001

Observe that the two links are epidemiology studies so cause and effect is always an concern, but intervention studies suggest the same pattern: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18439712
http://forskningsdatabasen.dk/catalog/2185776889

More studies examining the effects of fruit during weight loss:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21621801
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16395633
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23497350

Conclusion: Eat fruit for Gods sake

If you get enough protein, you can eat absolute garbage and still maintain 15% body fat on a vigorous weight lifting program. If you're a guy with a decent amount of testosterone, I guess.

I'm talkin about your first statement regarding being obese and have 15% bodyfat. You're obviously not obese then.

 

[lenovox1]

Uh.... if your father eats a Big Mac Jr (isn't that McDonalds, not Burger King? anyway) and onion rings every day, even if it's a "small portion", it's not remotely healthy[...]

When you don't know anything about nutrition science don't try to act like you know anything about nutrition science, please.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

so how what? I said being poor doesnt mean you have to eat bad. You dont have to snack, you dont have to eat fast food, you dont have to eat sweets.

Done with you.

It's incredibly hard to eat well while being poor. You don't understand that. It's not like people can go to the dollar store and get fresh veggies or buy a big bag of apples for $2. Bananas are about $2 and there's probably 6. Even then it's not enough to sustain 4 people for a while so bulk is the preferred method. I don't believe you understand how this all works and just want to say poor people should stop making bad decisions because it's super easy to eat well.

 

[pretty done]

No.

https://youtu.be/tzcE9gBqJxo

Stop blaming metabolism. And the difference between "high" and "low" metabolism is 200 calories. Go count how many of your fries is that.

lol I'm not sure you can read. Where did I blame metabolism for anything? I'm not fat and I don't order McDs fries. 6 piece nuggets + mcdouble for 3 bucks is my go-to on weekdays.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

When you don't know anything about nutrition science don't try to act like you know anything about nutrition science, please.

Um. You are actually arguing that eating onion rings every day is healthy?

 

[entremet]

It's incredibly hard to eat well while being poor. You don't understand that. It's not like people can go to the dollar store and get fresh veggies or buy a big bag of apples for $2. Bananas are about $2 and there's probably 6. Even then it's not enough to sustain 4 people for a while so bulk is the preferred method. I don't believe you understand how this all works and just want to say poor people should stop making bad decisions because it's super easy to eat well.

Beans, rice, potatoes, corn. All rather cheap and filling and very hard to get fat on if not cooked in gobs of fat.

Poverty and obesity are complex. There is a correlation.

 

[Oxn]

When you don't know anything about nutrition science don't try to act like you know anything about nutrition science, please.

like the middle class telling poor people what they should do.

 

[Drazgul]

The dairy itself in the USA is addictive. Study "A1 casein" or "beta casomorphin 7", the milk literally contains opioids. The milk in central Europe, for example, doesn't. That is called the A2 kind. Finland consumes the unhealthy one in largest amounts in the whole world, that could be a factor in why it is in the top. And USA lathers this milk in the form of processed cheese to everything.

I can't speak for USA, but Finland at least uses a blend of both (they get mixed during processing), since the dairy cow breeds produce both, and the most prominent ones - Ayrshire and Holstein Friesian - have a pretty much 50%/50% split.

Finnish milk consumption may be a factor among others, but I'd say the difference between other nordics and us is a sum of small/negligible things that alone don't amount to much, both dietary and lifestyle.

 

[Ihyll]

Beans, rice, potatoes, corn. All rather cheap and filling and very hard to get fat on if not cooked in gobs of fat.

And beans, rice and potatoes take far longer to cook than hot pockets or instant noodles.

I've been in that situation before, I used to work 12 hour shifts...with no time at all to boil beans or rice...I'd rather sitck two hot pockets in the microwave for 2 mins or stop by McDonald's and grab a burger for 2 dollars

 

[Oxn]

And beans, rice and potatoes take far longer to cook than hot pockets or instant noodles.

I've been in that situation before, I used to work 12 hour shifts...with no time at all to boil beans or rice...I'd rather sitck two hot pockets in the microwave for 2 mins or stop by McDonald's and grab a burger for 2 dollars

a single burger for 2 dollars? as 1 meal? i would starve and be eating poorly.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Restaurant portions are ridiculous in the US. I gain 10lbs each time I visit.

This. I was at a hotel with free breakfast, I got 4 slices of French toast, two sausages, and a small pancake with maple syrup. To me this was the holy mecca of breakfasts, I've only ever eaten a breakfast that maybe only 2 or 3 times in my life. The cafeteria lady said "That's it? Are you sure? There's more if you want." I don't even think if I finished it and the lady was asking if I wanted more LOL.

I'm happy with my strugglewich and a warm cup of tea. I'm very productive in the morning.

 

[Infinite]

Beans, rice, potatoes, corn. All rather cheap and filling and very hard to get fat on if not cooked in gobs of fat.

For some people living in what we call a food desert those may not even be options. And once again when do we start to educate people en masse about these healthy cheaper foods? When do we grant the chance to actually prep them on a daily basis? When do we think about addressing this issue systematically instead of going "stupid poors, eat rice"

(I know this isn't your argument just using your post as a springboard for my own)

 

[lenovox1]

Um. You are actually arguing that eating onion rings every day is healthy?

Never did. Onion rings are laden with sugar and fried oils. But you certainly cannot judge someone's entire nutritional profile on a few ounces of fried onion.

Just as one cannot judge someone's metabolism or health based on 5 chicken nuggets and a hamburger, as I was responding to originally.