Official 2008 Auto Racing thread (F1, Moto GP, WRC, NASCAR, etc)
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Just glad Kimi's on the points board with a good haul. He's still playing catch up, but at least he's got something to build on now.
Massa on the other hand could be in serious trouble if he does this again. You simply cannot spin a car out while you're clear by yourself in second and expect to stay around long.
Massa on the other hand could be in serious trouble if he does this again. You simply cannot spin a car out while you're clear by yourself in second and expect to stay around long.
Fowler said:
Are you referring to the Star Sports one? The one with the loud voice and who always tries to talk his ass off at the start of races and who occasionally does the silent routine so you can "feel" or "hear" the amazing sound of the engine (completely fucking stupid if you ask me). And he also questioned whether there was something wrong with Massa's car after watching replay footage of the spin-out when it was quite obvious that Massa screwed up. That's the one right?
Apparently Massa spun out because of the lack of engine braking (which is also a driving aid that was removed for the 2008 season). He came too fast into the turn, so he let go of the throttle which made the rear slow down and go out of balance. The engine breaking aid would have kept the rear from slowing down in the same manner to keep the balance.Shinobi said:
Acceptable performance from Ferrari.
I am not ready to put the blame entirely on Felipe for that spin. That is a very very odd accident to have on that part of the circuit. The amount of downforce at that point is ridiculously high. Only way you could really get it wrong there is if you take too much kerb and he didn't do that. Then again it is Massa. Maybe third damper again...
I am not too happy yet, I saw an STR Ferrari engine failure today. I am not confident about going to Bahrain with an engine on Kimi's car that's done the hottest race of the year onto possibly the year's worst race for engine's at Sakhir.
Exceptional performance from Kubica. Heidfeld was unlucky and why didn't he repeat his FL performance more consistently? Really bewildering driving.
Also a solid drives from Trulli and Webber. Pleased to see the Toyota improving again. In 2005 they were pretty damn consistent, shame they went off the boil.
I am not ready to put the blame entirely on Felipe for that spin. That is a very very odd accident to have on that part of the circuit. The amount of downforce at that point is ridiculously high. Only way you could really get it wrong there is if you take too much kerb and he didn't do that. Then again it is Massa. Maybe third damper again...
I am not too happy yet, I saw an STR Ferrari engine failure today. I am not confident about going to Bahrain with an engine on Kimi's car that's done the hottest race of the year onto possibly the year's worst race for engine's at Sakhir.
Exceptional performance from Kubica. Heidfeld was unlucky and why didn't he repeat his FL performance more consistently? Really bewildering driving.
Also a solid drives from Trulli and Webber. Pleased to see the Toyota improving again. In 2005 they were pretty damn consistent, shame they went off the boil.
Fowler said:
Yep, he's extremely annoying. One time last season he had this really bad throat and he was speaking with this croaky voice the entire race which got worse as the race progressed. It was actually pretty funny.
He also seems to spout plenty of rubbish that are either obviously untrue or are founded on very dubious reasoning.
PjotrStroganov
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Looks like we can be happy with our own chubby commentator Olaf Mol.:lol
Ben Edwards über Alles.
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"'We should put it in the mouth and not in the eye"
-Kimi @ Malaysia 2008 Post Race Press Conference
Wise words indeed.
ALSO.
NO MORE FUCKING ADVERTS.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i8gB8-9sQGc&feature=related
That is what you use my license money for. THAT is what you use my license money for.
ALSO.
BBC have a dedicated HD channel....
Also
"'We should put it in the mouth and not in the eye"
-Kimi @ Malaysia 2008 Post Race Press Conference
Wise words indeed.
ALSO.
Autosport said:
NO MORE FUCKING ADVERTS.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i8gB8-9sQGc&feature=related
That is what you use my license money for. THAT is what you use my license money for.
ALSO.
BBC have a dedicated HD channel....
The Spacepope
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Nice win by Kimi!
:lol @ Massa
:lol @ Massa
Great win by Kimi. I feel really bad for Massa, but at least Kimi got first place
Also, when Hamilton had to change tires and the pit stop time was 19.9 I was so happy. I really don't want him to have such a big advantage so early on (Actually, I'd rather Kimi beat him in all the races).
I really hoped something like that happens, and when it does the time is my birthday date (September 19th) :lol pretty cool
Either way, next race I'd love for a duel between the two winners.
Also, when Hamilton had to change tires and the pit stop time was 19.9 I was so happy. I really don't want him to have such a big advantage so early on (Actually, I'd rather Kimi beat him in all the races).
I really hoped something like that happens, and when it does the time is my birthday date (September 19th) :lol pretty cool
Either way, next race I'd love for a duel between the two winners.
Formula 1's Manchester United win again. Dull race.
The wonderkid looked ordinary all weekend mainly due to McLaren's inability to choose the right tyres. For nigh on two years now they've been steadfastly choosing the wrong tyre options in the race. They should hire Dita Von Teese, at least she knows something about rubber.
Enjoyed Trulli's drive today, especially in the closing stages with the chosen one fast approaching. Great job.
Next year I'm hoping the BBC see sense and we won't have to listen about how McLaren 'kippered' the first pitstop courtesy of James "Cock" Allen. I saw something the other day on an F1 board that had quotes from a BBC director of sports that said they were going to make it 'a bit like Top Gear' and have primarily Richard Hammond presenting the build up and analysis bits, no word on commentary teams yet.
The wonderkid looked ordinary all weekend mainly due to McLaren's inability to choose the right tyres. For nigh on two years now they've been steadfastly choosing the wrong tyre options in the race. They should hire Dita Von Teese, at least she knows something about rubber.
Enjoyed Trulli's drive today, especially in the closing stages with the chosen one fast approaching. Great job.
Next year I'm hoping the BBC see sense and we won't have to listen about how McLaren 'kippered' the first pitstop courtesy of James "Cock" Allen. I saw something the other day on an F1 board that had quotes from a BBC director of sports that said they were going to make it 'a bit like Top Gear' and have primarily Richard Hammond presenting the build up and analysis bits, no word on commentary teams yet.
cilonen said:
Richard Hammond? :lol
Doesn't Jeremy always laughs about how he never watches any form of racing?
That could be really interesting. Too bad I don't get the British commentary (Not that the Israeli commentary is bad. It's just that watching Hammond commentate would be really cool).
flsh said:
Yeah, Hammond's said many times on TG that he doesn't even watch F1 'cos he thinks it's boring. I'm not sure it would work too well, but then again, I'm not sure of the source either. Hopefully it won't be back to the "and now over to the Brazillian GP where the drivers are on their third lap..." ways of old.
Opus Angelorum
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Good to see the F1 coverage is going to the BBC, I just hope they don't mess with the formula too much. K
Keep Martin Brundle and get rid of James Allen, all they need to do.
Keep Martin Brundle and get rid of James Allen, all they need to do.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Massa is shit. Sauber days revisited.
Without Jean Todt at the helm he's gone next season. His manager can't run to daddy - Alonso or Vettel will replace Massa at Ferrari next season.
Without Jean Todt at the helm he's gone next season. His manager can't run to daddy - Alonso or Vettel will replace Massa at Ferrari next season.
marvelharvey
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"So, with Piquet leading on lap 20 of 55 we'll end our F1 coverage for today. Now, let's see how Yorkshire are doing in the cricket" those were the days.cilonen said:
Regarding the BBC: Great, I've hated the ITV coverage. Although, knowing the BBC, alongside all the usual statistics of race positions, pitstops, laptimes, yellow flags etc, they'll probably have some sort of 'how much CO2 has been produced by each team' on display, along with the number of polar bears who've died since the start of the race.
Regarding Hammond: Odd choice, he hates F1. If he and the TG team took over, I'd imagine them all taking the piss out of the drivers for 2 hours. Could be fun!
Regarding the race: Boring. The only enjoyable moment was watching Massa fall off.
Templar Wizard
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The finnish comm is neutral? hardly,
they spunk into each other's mouths repeating KIMI KIMI KIMI over and over.
Kimi Mattius Rakkonen! Espoo! Finland!
hardly neutral? just because they dont hate hamilton or, the worst sin: support Alonso.
Also, Allen today, shit stirring the rift with Alonso.
Pfttttt, the guy is a Moran.
they spunk into each other's mouths repeating KIMI KIMI KIMI over and over.
Kimi Mattius Rakkonen! Espoo! Finland!
hardly neutral? just because they dont hate hamilton or, the worst sin: support Alonso.
Also, Allen today, shit stirring the rift with Alonso.
Pfttttt, the guy is a Moran.
DarkJediKnight
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And there you have it folks, as to why Kimi is champion and Massa is not.
For the first 18 laps, with equal fuel loads, Massa managed to put 1.9sec between him and Kimi. Once Kimi passed Massa in the pits, he put 4.9sec in 10 laps, before Massa had a craving for some Taco Bell in the middle of a chicane and decided to quit the race to have some tacos. :lol
For the first 18 laps, with equal fuel loads, Massa managed to put 1.9sec between him and Kimi. Once Kimi passed Massa in the pits, he put 4.9sec in 10 laps, before Massa had a craving for some Taco Bell in the middle of a chicane and decided to quit the race to have some tacos. :lol
Templar Wizard said:
I still consider finnish commentators neutral. Ofcourse it's big deal if Kimi, Heikki or Rosberg wins. They are finnish afterall but they praise all drivers equally.
They also don't say Kimi or Heikki are some kind of god like drivers. They don't start compering them to schumacher or anything like that.
And the most important part, they are focusing on the race not on singel driver/s.
DarkJediKnight
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The ITV commentators are crap. Both James Allen and Martin Brundle are annoying to listen to. When they aren't saying "Lewis" or "Hamilton" every other word, it's usually about something no one cares about. They miss obvious stuff on the track on a regular basis.
Now, I don't get any other language, but the Speed TV commentary is second to none! Hobbs, Varsha and Machett are amazing, and they each have something to contribute. I love listening to Matchett point out technical stuff that no one picks up on.
Now, I don't get any other language, but the Speed TV commentary is second to none! Hobbs, Varsha and Machett are amazing, and they each have something to contribute. I love listening to Matchett point out technical stuff that no one picks up on.
Templar Wizard
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Sorry Surf, but you are dead wrong, i guess its your finnish programming, not allowing you to criticise anything Finnish.
Directive 4: Classified... etc
Speedtv IS funny.
Brazil last year:
'This fight comes down to 3 men: The blonde, blue eyed Kimi, the dark featured Alonso, and... uh... Lewis Hamilton'
Directive 4: Classified... etc
Speedtv IS funny.
Brazil last year:
'This fight comes down to 3 men: The blonde, blue eyed Kimi, the dark featured Alonso, and... uh... Lewis Hamilton'
DarkJediKnight said:
Matchett's books are superb. His first one (Life in the Fast Lane, published in 2004 in the UK) is one of my all time favourites - the story of him as a mechanic in the Benetton team in 1994. He was originally going to write in 1993, but didn't get round to starting so postponed a year not expecting to encounter in the course of a single year the passing of a living legend (Senna), some of the darkest moments in the sport, and the birth and first championship of a new legend (Schumacher).
Highly recommend it.
They should also dig out Peter Windsor, he used to work for Speed and Sky Digital coverage - he used to be quite high up in the Williams team in the late eighties / early nineties and also used to write for F1 Racing magazine (might still do, I dropped my subscription a couple of years ago when it went more tabloid), but Windsor really knows his stuff too.
DarkJediKnight
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cilonen said:
Peter Windsor still works for Speedtv. He does all the pre-race interviews on the grid and chimes in from time to time on race retirements and other tidbits.
I think the most impartial and genuinely funny group of commenters is the Speed TV crew. Bob Varsha is the play by play man with Matchett is the former Benetton mechanic with great stories about all of Benetton's run ins with the FIA and Michael's brilliance early on. Then of course, the best color man in the business... DAVID HOBBS.... KABLAMOOOOO!!! :lol (think Jeremy Clarkson with F1 experience)
Solid race out of Kimi but Massa needs to step his game up before the Italian press starts calling for Luca Badoer to be put in... :lol
Kubica did well, but I was surprised at Heidfeld's lack of pace. I thought when Lewis came out in front of him on cold tires after his stop that Quick Nick would have a good run at him, before you knew it, Lewis cut Trulli's lead while Nick was still marching in place.
If one thing comes from Bahrain, I hope its Ferrari changing the way the livery is currently set up, the car look empty! Almost like one of the back markers in Nascar that don't have sponsors. I think tobacco adverts are allowed in Bahrain, so the Marlboro logos will probably be back on the Ferrari and hopefully from then on out they will at least go back to the barcode design from last year and fill the car up.
Oh, did everyone catch the McLaren spinnaz' after Lewis' botched stop! :lol
Solid race out of Kimi but Massa needs to step his game up before the Italian press starts calling for Luca Badoer to be put in... :lol
Kubica did well, but I was surprised at Heidfeld's lack of pace. I thought when Lewis came out in front of him on cold tires after his stop that Quick Nick would have a good run at him, before you knew it, Lewis cut Trulli's lead while Nick was still marching in place.
If one thing comes from Bahrain, I hope its Ferrari changing the way the livery is currently set up, the car look empty! Almost like one of the back markers in Nascar that don't have sponsors. I think tobacco adverts are allowed in Bahrain, so the Marlboro logos will probably be back on the Ferrari and hopefully from then on out they will at least go back to the barcode design from last year and fill the car up.
Oh, did everyone catch the McLaren spinnaz' after Lewis' botched stop! :lol
Massa's spin was definitely an engine braking error from where I was sitting (on my couch) :lol
Sad to see Hamilton's chances ruined by a bad pit stop, but he wasn't exactly tearing up the track before that. The McLaren seemed WAY to stiff for this track. I also think going +1 on front downforce was a mistake. Car never seemed right. I think his right front brake was probably overheated (from the pit crew again fucking up the stop and not putting the cooling covers on right) and causing him to slow down. Kovalainen had a nice run so I don't know if you can blame all the problems on car setup.
Kimi is the iceman. Esp. vs. "mavrick" massa. I would of liked to see him race/trounce Massa all day but he did the right thing backing off and matching pace with Kubica once Massa crashed.
Sad to see Hamilton's chances ruined by a bad pit stop, but he wasn't exactly tearing up the track before that. The McLaren seemed WAY to stiff for this track. I also think going +1 on front downforce was a mistake. Car never seemed right. I think his right front brake was probably overheated (from the pit crew again fucking up the stop and not putting the cooling covers on right) and causing him to slow down. Kovalainen had a nice run so I don't know if you can blame all the problems on car setup.
Kimi is the iceman. Esp. vs. "mavrick" massa. I would of liked to see him race/trounce Massa all day but he did the right thing backing off and matching pace with Kubica once Massa crashed.
I actually love the Speed crew, they are mostly impartial, will make fun of anyone, and allways do a great job picking up on stuff (like the Barrichello DQ in Australia) before the international feed does.
Three things I want changed for next year.
1) SpeedTV in HD without sattelite (likely)
2) FIA springing for HD cameras (not probable, but it has to happen some time)
3) FIA letting the locals decide what to show, because Im tired of watching lewis when he isnt even racing and not in contention. The speed guys do a good job of keeping tabs on where the racing is, but it would be great to see it (extremely unlikely).
Three things I want changed for next year.
1) SpeedTV in HD without sattelite (likely)
2) FIA springing for HD cameras (not probable, but it has to happen some time)
3) FIA letting the locals decide what to show, because Im tired of watching lewis when he isnt even racing and not in contention. The speed guys do a good job of keeping tabs on where the racing is, but it would be great to see it (extremely unlikely).
Squirrel Killer
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That's a lot of words to say, "Because he sucks."avaya said:
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