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Official 2008 "I Need A New PC" Thread

bee said:
its hotter than normal for sure but nothing to worry about, mines been idling at 40c for 2 years now with a 50% overclock, 9 times out of 10 it isn't temps that kill cpu's its the extra voltage being pumped through them

if you do wanna get the temps down you can try reseating the heatsink and reapplying the paste as has already been mentioned, both methods for the paste work fine either a thin layer all over or a blob in the middle

or you could try just going into bios and changing the fan speed control method, take the side off your case and check how fast its actually spinning. if set at auto the fan on those freezer 7's can often just stop and only start to really spin when temps rise, try setting fan speed control to pwm or disabled for full speed but they are noisy like that

Well I feel better now. I do remember my previous system (Athlon XP 3800) idled at 50c, and I had that system work flawlessly for 3 years.

Since I'm not overclocking I guess I'll keep it as is. When I do decide I need an OC, I'll be sure to take things down and redo the HSF and TC though.

Thanks!
 

Esperado

Member
So I've been working on getting a new entry level gaming computer together just to be able to play games that are out now, and to have something to build upon for the future. (My last computer is a dell; I'm making a new computer so I can do upgrades easier).

The GPU I got is the 256MB 8800GT from Newegg for 99.99 -30 rebate. I'm wondering if I should go with the Intel e8400 right now, or if I should just go with a cheaper alternative because I probably wont upgrade until Diablo 3 comes out. Well, if the system I'm making is unable to run it to my satisfaction.

edit: Ended up going with this build

Gigabyte EP35-DS3L Motherboard
Intel e2180 Processor
Gigabyte 8800gt 256MB Video Card
Patriot 2GB (2x 1GB) PC6400 RAM
Western Digital Caviar 400GB Hard Drive
Thermaltake RS 100 Case
Rosewill RCX-Z775 Heat Sink
Lite-ON 20x DVD-RW Disc Drive
Antec Earthwatts 430W Power Supply
Extra 120mm fan

All for a total of 527.12 including tax
And 447.12 if the mail in rebates go through.
 

Cheeto

Member
Esperado said:
So I've been working on getting a new entry level gaming computer together just to be able to play games that are out now, and to have something to build upon for the future. (My last computer is a dell; I'm making a new computer so I can do upgrades easier).

The GPU I got is the 256MB 8800GT from Newegg for 99.99 -30 rebate. I'm wondering if I should go with the Intel e8400 right now, or if I should just go with a cheaper alternative because I probably wont upgrade until Diablo 3 comes out. Well, if the system I'm making is unable to run it to my satisfaction.
E8400 should last a long while, you probably won't even have to upgrade that when Diablo 3 comes out. Your GPU may need to be upgraded for other games, but probably not Diablo 3.
 

Esperado

Member
Cheeto said:
E8400 should last a long while, you probably won't even have to upgrade that when Diablo 3 comes out. Your GPU may need to be upgraded for other games, but probably not Diablo 3.

As you can see from my edited post above, I ended up going with the e2180. Saw it for 59.99 on Microcenter and for some reason just jumped for it. It seems like a very good processor for the price and if it doesn't perform well enough I can just go back to the store and return it. Now I'm stuck with the dilemma of either going with Windows Vista or Windows XP, I'm thinking of ordering Vista just because it will probably get more support from MS.
 
Esperado said:
So I've been working on getting a new entry level gaming computer together just to be able to play games that are out now, and to have something to build upon for the future. (My last computer is a dell; I'm making a new computer so I can do upgrades easier).

The GPU I got is the 256MB 8800GT from Newegg for 99.99 -30 rebate. I'm wondering if I should go with the Intel e8400 right now, or if I should just go with a cheaper alternative because I probably wont upgrade until Diablo 3 comes out. Well, if the system I'm making is unable to run it to my satisfaction.

edit: Ended up going with this build

Gigabyte EP35-DS3L Motherboard
Intel e2180 Processor
Gigabyte 8800gt 256MB Video Card
Patriot 2GB (2x 1GB) PC6400 RAM
Western Digital Caviar 400GB Hard Drive
Thermaltake RS 100 Case
Rosewill RCX-Z775 Heat Sink
Lite-ON 20x DVD-RW Disc Drive
Antec Earthwatts 430W Power Supply
Extra 120mm fan

All for a total of 527.12 including tax
And 447.12 if the mail in rebates go through.
Return that card for the 512MB. That 256mb isn't that good.
 

VAIL

Member
($64.99) MB ECS A770M-A 770 SB600 AM2+ RTL
($94.99) CASE RAIDMAX|ATX-612WEBP BK 500W RT
($3.99) CPU THERMPASTE|ARCTIC AA-1.75G R (to fix my 360 lol)
($148.99) CPU AMD|PHENOM 8450 2.1G AM2 R
($99.99) WL ROUTER LINKSYS|WRT350N 4P RTL
($69.99) WL ADAPTER LINKSYS|WMP300N PCI 11N
($44.99) MEM 1Gx2|G.SK F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ R
($85.99) VGA XFX PVT84JYAJG 8600GT 512M RT
($43.99) HD 160G|WD 7K 8M SATA2 WD1600AAJS %
($28.99) DVD BURN SAMSUNG|SH-S203B %

$645.03 with $65 coming back in rebates

Not too shabby
 

SRG01

Member
VAIL said:
($64.99) MB ECS A770M-A 770 SB600 AM2+ RTL
($94.99) CASE RAIDMAX|ATX-612WEBP BK 500W RT
($3.99) CPU THERMPASTE|ARCTIC AA-1.75G R (to fix my 360 lol)
($148.99) CPU AMD|PHENOM 8450 2.1G AM2 R
($99.99) WL ROUTER LINKSYS|WRT350N 4P RTL
($69.99) WL ADAPTER LINKSYS|WMP300N PCI 11N
($44.99) MEM 1Gx2|G.SK F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ R
($85.99) VGA XFX PVT84JYAJG 8600GT 512M RT
($43.99) HD 160G|WD 7K 8M SATA2 WD1600AAJS %
($28.99) DVD BURN SAMSUNG|SH-S203B %

$645.03 with $65 coming back in rebates

Not too shabby

Re-spec these two parts and I'm sure you can fit in a 8800GT.
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
I've been looking up guides and came across Toms Hardware's newest System Builder guides. In the sub $100 one, they picked the E7200 over the E8200.

There is a sixty dollar difference between the two right now on newegg. The difference is 3 MB in cache, FSB and .5 Ghz. Does the $60 make that big of a difference between the two processors that the E8200 is still the better bang for the buck? For some reason, I'm still waffling here. =/

BTW, tried to OC my E6300... the tops I can hit is 2.4 with this mobo. Any attempt to go higher is met with a no post. =(
 

bee

Member
Kintaro said:
I've been looking up guides and came across Toms Hardware's newest System Builder guides. In the sub $100 one, they picked the E7200 over the E8200.

There is a sixty dollar difference between the two right now on newegg. The difference is 3 MB in cache, FSB and .5 Ghz. Does the $60 make that big of a difference between the two processors that the E8200 is still the better bang for the buck? For some reason, I'm still waffling here. =/

BTW, tried to OC my E6300... the tops I can hit is 2.4 with this mobo. Any attempt to go higher is met with a no post. =(

most people would say go with the 8200 or 8400, but me personally i'd only go with a e7200 or q6600, the extra cache does jack shit when you play at high res maxed out settings and the e7200 has a 9.5 multiplier as opposed to the 8200 with only a 8x so its easier to overclock because you dont need ram/mobo that does really high fsb and also dont have to mess about with gmch voltages etc

shame you cant clock your e6300 though, ive got a e6600@3.6 myself and i have zero intention of replacing it until early 2009 when the cheap nehalems hit
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
bee said:
shame you cant clock your e6300 though, ive got a e6600@3.6 myself and i have zero intention of replacing it until early 2009 when the cheap nehalems hit

Yeah, I figure it's got to be the motherboard. I think I'll make the mobo switch to ASUS again (local story which I try to support mainly uses MSI, which is how I ended up with it).

I'm tempted to get a new mobo that's pretty future proof and try to OC the E6300 so I can hold off on a new CPU for awhile and use that money on something else. Any suggestions for a new mobo that fits the bill?
 

bee

Member
Kintaro said:
I'm tempted to get a new mobo that's pretty future proof and try to OC the E6300 so I can hold off on a new CPU for awhile and use that money on something else. Any suggestions for a new mobo that fits the bill?

any board right now isn't really future proof at all because the nehalems will also bring with them a new cpu socket so they wont work in any existing board

are you interested in crossfire? if so get an x38, if not get a p45. i tend to stick to 3 brands of board when i build pc's for myself and friends etc these being asus, abit and gigabyte, last few though have all been gigabyte mainly cos they're cheap, stable and they have a good fast rma service, maybe try the Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3, got the old p965 ds3 rev 1.0 myself
 

aznpxdd

Member
Kintaro said:
Yeah, I figure it's got to be the motherboard. I think I'll make the mobo switch to ASUS again (local story which I try to support mainly uses MSI, which is how I ended up with it).

I'm tempted to get a new mobo that's pretty future proof and try to OC the E6300 so I can hold off on a new CPU for awhile and use that money on something else. Any suggestions for a new mobo that fits the bill?

There can be a variety of reasons why you can't push your e6300 past 2.4, don't waste your money on a new motherboard.
 

gray_fox224

Junior Member
bee said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145098



if you go vista you really do need 4gb and 64bit imo, the difference between that and 2gb 32bit is rather large and yes vista 64 + 4gb is better than xp for sure


Ok, thanks, you are really helping me out.


I'm going with Vista 64 bit, so should I just buy 4 GB DDR2 667 for my mobo

going with this then

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145195

with

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116204
 

ElfoMan

Member
gray_fox224 said:
Ok, thanks, you are really helping me out.


I'm going with Vista 64 bit, so should I just buy 4 GB DDR2 667 for my mobo

going with this then

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145195

with

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116204


OCZ Platinum Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory


$86.99
($56.99 after $30.00 Mail-In
Rebate pdf )


Faster ram, cheaper with rebate. Looks better :p
 

bee

Member
gray_fox224 said:
Ok,

So I have the Intel Q9450 Quad Core 2.66GHZ

and I'm planing to combine it with:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319


or


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318


Should I get the one that's overclocked?

got an evga 8800gts 512 myself but right now i'd get neither and get this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102747

but im sure some of your fellow americans could maybe get you a better deal on one from another place, cant really help you with cheap deals as im in the UK
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
aznpxdd said:
There can be a variety of reasons why you can't push your e6300 past 2.4, don't waste your money on a new motherboard.

This is true as well. Since I can't decide either way, I think I'll just sit on it for more and just pick up some more ram.
 
Okay guys, I'm in need of some insight. Building my first PC in a good half-decade. Here's what I'm shooting for:

Desired System:
-4GB DDR2 RAM
-$220 range GPU, 512 RAM
-SLI is optional
-Fits in an NZXT Tempest case I already have

Here's the "draft" I've come up with.

Processor: Intel 2 Core Quad 6600 2.4 GHz OEM
Motherboard: XFX nForce 680i LT SLI (bundled with CPU, together total $300)

RAMs: OCZ Platinum Edition (2 x 2GB) Pin DDR2 1000 ($86, thanks for posting this)

Video Card
: XFX GeForce 9800 GTX(G92) ($210 after rebate)

I can figure out the rest of the components, but need advice on the base stuff. Is there an AMD proc or different board that'd get me comparable (or slightly less) performance for less price? Is there a different video card I should go after? Really appreciate your assistance. Likewise, if someone could help me out on figuring out a PSU, I'd be grateful.
 

bounchfx

Member
I've waited 7 years and now thanks to a job I can finally afford to build another PC.

I've never fully built a PC from scratch before and I think this is the time to do it. I've exchanged many parts before in it though, so the only part i'm really worried about doing is putting the MOBO to the Case.

Here's the I've scavenged so far in terms of the build I'm doing. I would really appreciate any comments or advice and I definitely still need help picking a mobo for my needs here. and a case, honestly.

What I'm using it for: Gaming and 3D Art.
What I've got so far:

OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI 700W ATX12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V - Retail 125$
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?&Item=N82E16817341002

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail 209$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail 91$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102006

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184

for Video card im trying to decide between:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150292

I just bought some monitors so I'm set on those, and I'll use my old mouse and keyboard for now. Do I have to worry about a fan or anything? What type of case and mobo would be good for this stuff?

Thanks a bunch guys I look forward to hearing your replies
 

Chiggs

Gold Member
Picked up the Antec 1200 full tower case, and I have to say, I'm impressed. Best cooling I've seen in a case so far. Case is a bit pricey, though. $200.00 smackeroos.
 

aeolist

Banned
VAIL said:
($64.99) MB ECS A770M-A 770 SB600 AM2+ RTL
($94.99) CASE RAIDMAX|ATX-612WEBP BK 500W RT
($3.99) CPU THERMPASTE|ARCTIC AA-1.75G R (to fix my 360 lol)
($148.99) CPU AMD|PHENOM 8450 2.1G AM2 R
($99.99) WL ROUTER LINKSYS|WRT350N 4P RTL
($69.99) WL ADAPTER LINKSYS|WMP300N PCI 11N
($44.99) MEM 1Gx2|G.SK F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ R
($85.99) VGA XFX PVT84JYAJG 8600GT 512M RT
($43.99) HD 160G|WD 7K 8M SATA2 WD1600AAJS %
($28.99) DVD BURN SAMSUNG|SH-S203B %

$645.03 with $65 coming back in rebates

Not too shabby
ECS is the worst motherboard manufacturer in existence. There is a reason that thing was so cheap.

Expect your system to die in a matter of months. May as well prepare yourself for horrific warranty support right now.
 

gray_fox224

Junior Member
aeolist said:
ECS is the worst motherboard manufacturer in existence. There is a reason that thing was so cheap.

Expect your system to die in a matter of months. May as well prepare yourself for horrific warranty support right now.


I just bought a ECS mobo.
 

aeolist

Banned
gray_fox224 said:
It can't be that bad. I'm on a budget. I can still return it. What would you guys recommend in CPU MOBO combo for about $250?
Gigabyte is very reliable. EVGA is also good. Asus is pretty high-end but can be finicky with compatibility issues, namely when it comes to RAM. Abit and MSI are both considered good but I've had a lot of weird problems with them so I don't personally recommend them.
 
Just took the plunge and finally upgraded the rest of my PC:

E8400
Gigabyte EP35-DS3L
2GB Ram

Overnighted that shit cause I'm impatient. I'm excited.
 

bounchfx

Member
zoku88 said:
At $200,

4850 is better

Any reason you're not thinking of a 4850?

Hadn't seen it recommended by anyone, only saw the NVidia ones. that and I've heard a lot how NVidia has been in the lead lately graphics wise, but thanks for the tip, I'll check that one out as well:

one of my main concerns is - will these cards be compatible for use with a Dual Monitor setup? Really Important

Thanks!
 

Spy

Member
About a month ago I had posted a build for the computer I was making. It was equipped with a 9800GTX but now that the ATI 4800 series has come out I regret purchasing the 9800GTX. My mother was in need of a new computer so I gave the one I built to her. Right now I'm working on a new build and I'd like to get some input from NeoGAF.

The budget is $2,000 and I'll be gaming at 1680x1050 resolution.

CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX 620W ATX12V v2.2 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139002

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

ASUS Maximus II Formula LGA 775 Intel P45 Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131319

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145197

VisionTek Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113

For the CPU I'm debating whether to get the E8600 or the Q9650. I do use a lot of multi-threaded applications so as of now I'm leaning towards the Q9650. I also can't decide between the 4870 or the 4870x2. I know a few people will tell me to drop the motherboard for a X48 but will CrossFire even be that important to me since I'm not gaming at 1920x1200? I guess a X48 could be useful in the future but I'm one of those people where I have to have the newest product so it'd make me wait until the X58 comes out. The Q9650 has a release of Q3 and I'm unsure as to when the 4870x2 will be out. I'll be using Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit.

Scratch that, I'm just going to get the 4870.
 

BobsRevenge

I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Just picked up a 4850. Really excited about playing Crysis on it and glad I'm all prepared for Farcry 2 and Empire: Total War.
 

eznark

Banned
so I am going to (half heartedly) take the plunge and install Vista on my laptop. I don't want to do it on my gaming pc until I get used to it. I want to do a clean install though, which means I want to back up my laptops hard drive.

Do you guys know of a good program that creates a backup of the entire hard drive? I thought there was something called like Ghost Drive or something, not sure?
 

Chiggs

Gold Member
BobsRevenge said:
Just picked up a 4850. Really excited about playing Crysis on it and glad I'm all prepared for Farcry 2 and Empire: Total War.

I was really excited about playing Crysis on my GTX 260, then the harsh reality set it: Crysis is a card killer. Don't get me wrong, the GTX 260 is beastly, and it trashes pretty much any game that you throw at it, but it just does okay in Crysis. In fact, I don't think there's really a single GPU solution that does good in Crysis.

I would recommend not going higher than 1360 X 768
 
Spy said:
About a month ago I had posted a build for the computer I was making. It was equipped with a 9800GTX but now that the ATI 4800 series has come out I regret purchasing the 9800GTX. My mother was in need of a new computer so I gave the one I built to her. Right now I'm working on a new build and I'd like to get some input from NeoGAF.

The budget is $2,000 and I'll be gaming at 1680x1050 resolution.

CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX 620W ATX12V v2.2 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139002

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

ASUS Maximus II Formula LGA 775 Intel P45 Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131319

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145197

VisionTek Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113

For the CPU I'm debating whether to get the E8600 or the Q9650. I do use a lot of multi-threaded applications so as of now I'm leaning towards the Q9650. I also can't decide between the 4870 or the 4870x2. I know a few people will tell me to drop the motherboard for a X48 but will CrossFire even be that important to me since I'm not gaming at 1920x1200? I guess a X48 could be useful in the future but I'm one of those people where I have to have the newest product so it'd make me wait until the X58 comes out. The Q9650 has a release of Q3 and I'm unsure as to when the 4870x2 will be out. I'll be using Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit.

Scratch that, I'm just going to get the 4870.


That looks to be one fine rig you're putting together sir.
 

Ophiuchus

Banned
These are just some parts I was looking at on Newegg so im open to change any of them if anyone can find a better alternative I want to be able to game on this comp but with out breaking the bank haha

Processor Intel

Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...bMaster%2bHyper 26

Hard drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...B%2bST3500630AS 80

Power supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817256037 69

Graphics Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814121253 194


so I still need Ram, Motherboard, and case I couldn't figure out what MB to get so that's why i haven't selected the ram and case and such any help would be appreciated
 

BobsRevenge

I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Chiggs said:
I was really excited about playing Crysis on my GTX 260, then the harsh reality set it: Crysis is a card killer. Don't get me wrong, the GTX 260 is beastly, and it trashes pretty much any game that you throw at it, but it just does okay in Crysis. In fact, I don't think there's really a single GPU solution that does good in Crysis.

I would recommend not going higher than 1360 X 768
I have an old school monitor so I'm gonna be gaming at 1280x1024 most likely. I've been playing on a 7600gt so it's a huge step up. For $200 I'm not too concerned with it not running Crysis perfectly. I've been playing on medium/low settings at 1024x768 with 15-20fps or 800x600 with 20-30 fps. In a couple more years I'll get another $200 video card that will destroy Crysis. Playing on my monitor's native resolution is probably going to blow my mind even on medium settings and textures, objects, and water on high. Those settings already look better than anything else out there and I know I won't be hitting my performance ceiling with that. I aim for 30fps generally btw.
 

arne

Member
Cheeto said:
That's a pretty solid build. If you change anything...

- Since you aren't OCing, you can save money on the motherboard unless there is a specific feature you want from the other:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131142

- Raid 1+0 may be overkill for a personal PC, but it's really up to you. It is complex, but there are definite benefits. Raid 5 is another alternative, it'll give you redundancy and increased performance while being easy to set up, but will only provide single point of failure tolerance whereas your Raid 1+0 will protect you from double failures in some cases.

- You will benefit from a quad core processor for HD Video editing, depending on the rollout of the new trend of GPU computing. It will cost you however.


Thanks for the input!

For the mobo, just leaving my options open for potential routes I'd take -- for OC and for SLi. By my no/minimal OC I mean that I'll only OC as far as I can go with the components I have safely.


I realize RAID 1+0 is both slight overkill and complex -- although it is recommended that your run RAID 0 for HD video editing, I just wanted to add fault tolerance as well. What's the toughest challenge I'll be facing? Granted, I know next to nothing about it and I haven't really read up on it. I figured it would be plugging in the HDDs and doing BIOS setting type stuff. eep.


Any suggestions on a quad core if I go that route and still have something that is comparable? Q6600? Either way, they're all pretty pricey and I may just deal with the dual core for now (wasn't too bad on my previous laptop for HD rendering) and get a quad a bit farther down the line.
 

Chiggs

Gold Member
arne said:
Any suggestions on a quad core if I go that route and still have something that is comparable? Q6600? Either way, they're all pretty pricey and I may just deal with the dual core for now (wasn't too bad on my previous laptop for HD rendering) and get a quad a bit farther down the line.


Q6600 is still one of the best bang-for-buck processors out there. Highly overclockable.

And you'll also want to get one of these, too:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yqzWNK5tL14
 
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