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Official 2008 "I Need A New PC" Thread
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VictimOfGrief said:
I would get this board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136045
and this Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188
and this over the Tuniq Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003
But thats because I like to save money. Your build is good, and if you plan to OC, then skip the ADATA ram I suggested. I would prob pick up some Crucials/Mushkin
Me_Marcadet
Member
Antec Sonata III 500W - Boîtier moyen tour 79,39
ASUSTeK P5Q PRO (Intel P45 Express) - ATX - (garantie 3 ans) 91,96
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (version boîte) + Pâte thermique Arctic-Cooling MX-1 118,64
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 SATA 3Gb/s - 1 To 7200 RPM 32 Mo Serial ATA II (boite) 100,29
Corsair XMS2 DHX 4 Go (kit 2x 2 Go) DDR2-SDRAM PC6400 CL4 - TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX (garantie 10 ans par Corsair) 83,07
LG GH22NP20BB - DVD(+/-)RW/RAM 22/8/22/6/12x DL(+/-) 16/12x CD-RW 48/32/48x IDE Noir (bulk) 20,82
Total : 619,01
I don't know what cg to buy with this config.
My choices are the basic Sapphire 4850 at 150 , the Sapphire 4850 Dual Slot Fansink at 155 , the sapphire 4850 toxic at 190 or the 4870 at 235 .
ASUSTeK P5Q PRO (Intel P45 Express) - ATX - (garantie 3 ans) 91,96
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (version boîte) + Pâte thermique Arctic-Cooling MX-1 118,64
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 SATA 3Gb/s - 1 To 7200 RPM 32 Mo Serial ATA II (boite) 100,29
Corsair XMS2 DHX 4 Go (kit 2x 2 Go) DDR2-SDRAM PC6400 CL4 - TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX (garantie 10 ans par Corsair) 83,07
LG GH22NP20BB - DVD(+/-)RW/RAM 22/8/22/6/12x DL(+/-) 16/12x CD-RW 48/32/48x IDE Noir (bulk) 20,82
Total : 619,01
I don't know what cg to buy with this config.
My choices are the basic Sapphire 4850 at 150 , the Sapphire 4850 Dual Slot Fansink at 155 , the sapphire 4850 toxic at 190 or the 4870 at 235 .
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Yup, selling that one to a friend of mine that wants to buy it he was so impressed with it. :lolDavidion said:
Trax416 said:
Thanks for the feedback Trax.
That DFI board is pretty bitchin' considering it does the Cross-Fire link @ 16x2. My only concern is lack of DDR3 support which I get on the MSI board. However in doing a little research on that MSI board it sounds like the BIOS is pretty F'ed up for any type of OC'ing on DDR2 & DDR3 right now.
choices choices....
Oh and I've got that A-DATA ram in my system right now which is fine, but I think will be sticking with the OCZ for tweaking later on.
VictimOfGrief said:
I'd go with his suggestion; DDR3 is really not much of a performance boost for the cost hike they want for the stuff. By the time it's at a logical price point you'll probably want a new board anyway. Plus, the DFI Dark X38 (Lanparty) is one of the best CrossfireX boards out there.
VictimOfGrief
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Yeah that's what I'm reading up on. Damn impressive board.Wallach said:
Visiontek version comes with a bunch of adapters, full Guild Wars Trilogy, POP two thrones, and some Ruby thing. The one that is most important to me is lifetime warranty.
Comparison to GX2 which I'm selling. The GX2 is actually bigger. But the X2 seems heavier.
Now my insides look like this.
Kinda new to the crossfire thing. Do I have to enable it or something? And how do I control fan speed? I know it's a pain.
Comparison to GX2 which I'm selling. The GX2 is actually bigger. But the X2 seems heavier.
Now my insides look like this.
Kinda new to the crossfire thing. Do I have to enable it or something? And how do I control fan speed? I know it's a pain.
BuddhaRockstar
Member
Me_Marcadet said:
I just built a new comp with the same case/psu, cpu, and mobo, and I'm really happy with it. I went with the Asus4850 myself, and everything works like a charm.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Go download this from Guru3D.Kadey said:
Link : http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745
Reboot into safe mode with networking.
Install and run the app for about 5 mins. Kill the process from task manager.
Reboot into windows normally.
Download the latest Cat. drivers WHQL or Beta... your choice.
Vista 32-bit
Vista 64-bit
Install, reboot.
should be all set. Enjoy your new 4870x2.
* Edit : Sent you a PM with this info Kadey.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Are the Nvidia drivers un-installed from Programs and Features under control panel?Kadey said:
Okay, considering ordering MAAAYBE tonight...I've probably waited too late in the week though. So stupid question as a first-time Newegg person, once I finish my build: How many days does it usually take, and what's your best option if you live in an apartment and get home from work late (6ish or later)? I'd be home Friday and Saturday this week, but I figure you can't depend on when it'll be delivered.
And another question...reading a big list of Vista comparisons, I notice the fax and scan features aren't in Vista home premium. But, apparently camera and scanning can be done from within a photo tool somehow in home premium.
What really concerns me is this: "Control over installation of device drivers" is something that home premium says it doesn't have. Anyone know about that, or have comments on home premium?
What really concerns me is this: "Control over installation of device drivers" is something that home premium says it doesn't have. Anyone know about that, or have comments on home premium?
Newegg gets your stuff to you within 3 business days from the day you order it, no matter what shipping method you choose. If you ordered tonight, for example, then you should get your stuff by Tuesday (Monday's off due to labor day). *MAYBE* Wednesday next week if they don't get everything shipped out on time, but Tuesday can be guaranteed if you pay an extra few bucks for a rushed shipment.Blizzard said:
Drivers install automatically in Home Premium just like any others. I can plug my camera into the computer without using the CD that came with it, and a few seconds later I'm browsing the pictures in there.Blizzard said:
dLMN8R said:
The question about the first issue is, how does stuff arrive? Do I -have- to be at my apartment? My complex might hold packages for me but I won't know when it's getting here (forgot about Labor Day).
For Vista, my question was whether it's possible to change/install different drivers, as was possible in XP. I noticed XP Home Premium doesn't have the scan/fax utility (I'm interested in scan/camera functionality like in XP) but I see apparently there's some sort of photo center that lets you scan pictures as well.
Also for Vista, I've looked at some on the tweakguides site, and it makes me feel a LOT better that there are some registry etc. customizations available. I'm still kind of wary of getting home premium and finding out something stupid isn't available (that I'd rather not pay $40-80 extra for). I've also talked to people and heard more accounts of which things are good and bad about Vista. It seems people tend to agree it's a decent OS now, but there are still some problems with program compatibility, it idles at a gig of RAM (I realize I'd have more than that available, but the principle is irksome), and there are programs that you may not be able to disable (like you could set services to "Manual" start in XP). I haven't verified that particular detail yet -- I really like to be able to control what services run and start, and so forth. Also someone I talked to tonight mentioned Windows defender, which may be useful or not but apparently can cause problems with internet and can't be disabled/uninstalled?
It all depends on your apartment complex. Talk to your management and I'm sure you can get something worked out.Blizzard said:
Yes, you can change and install different drivers, and yes, there's built-in support for scanners and cameras.Blizzard said:
1) The only thing you're missing out on with Home Premium is full bit-locker drive encryption, an image backup utility for your computer, and other business-related features. Don't worry about it, you'll have everything you need.Blizzard said:
2) Get over that "principle". Idle ram is wasted ram. Used ram is happy ram.
3) You can enable, disable, and set services to manual with Vista just the same as you can with XP. Similarly, you have full control over your startup programs with the same msconfig utility within XP.
4) Windows defender has never caused me any problems and it's been running constantly for the year I've head Vista, but of course, it can be completely disabled and uninstalled if you don't want it.
You really, really need to stop talking to these people who seem to be feeding you nothing but constant, factually incorrect misinformation.
dLMN8R said:
Lulz. If I didn't make it clear enough, by the way, thanks for the tweakguides link if you were the one. There seem to be some guides on there for detailed configuration -- I REALLY appreciate such configurability (unless of course I mess up my installation and Vista doesn't let me reinstall/activate. That would suck.) Anyway, it looks like Home Premium 64 will be the way I go...$100 isn't bad as long as I don't get problems from the OEM and reinstalls, if necessary, can work.
Tables like this one: http://www.williamstanek.com/vista/windows_vista.htm mention "control over device driver installation" as something that is NOT supported in home premium, which seemed bizarre to me, and thus I asked. I wonder what they mean.
VictimOfGrief
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dLMN8R said:
False. Remote desktop is NOT included with Home Premium but you can hack it to make it work. That was a big selling point on getting Ultimate as I wanted to remote in from work for real world IP interaction when needed.
Somewhat agree. Vista's RAM management is what stands heads and tails above XP's shitty RAM management.
Yes but really you should let it do it's own thing--- meaning it is tied to quite a few different Windows sub systems that will/can cause issues to arise if it is disabled and/or un-installed.
dLMN8R said:
In reading the past couple pages, I know you've been on the fence about Vista--- however if you build a newer computer--- you really are missing out on a lot of the newer hardware features and security that Vista has that XP cannot nor will ever match.
If you can swing it, get 64-bit Ultimate OEM as it's the best version out there and has the most robust options; If not, get Home Prem. 64-bit and jump on board. Vista SP1 is a pretty amazing step up from where XP SP2 was.
Also to your Newegg question.....
Order first thing tomorrow or tonight, should start processing tomorrow--- and then be out to your house/business by Wednesday. If you order on a Sunday, you'll get it Thursday. For the 3 day express saver (which is default shipping) add +1 day to your order for processing and don't pay the stupid $2.99 for RUSH processing, it's a waste of money.
If I had to guess, it's probably talking about administrative control over specific users getting certain drivers, allowing sys admins to allow or prevent computers on a domain from updating certain things.Blizzard said:
Crap, sorry I forgot about that one. It is important for quite a lot of people.VictimOfGrief said:
Also, the last quote you posted is misquoted as me, it's actually Blizzard's post!
VictimOfGrief said:
To be more precise, being able to RM into the installed computer is not included with Vista HP. It still includes the RM client so that you can remote into another computer. I use it all the time for work purposes.
Stealth edit - I've had a reasonable amount to drink tonight, and I think this might be a useless post. I'll check it tomorrow.
Stealth edit #2 - In fact I'm pretty positive you can download RM onto pretty much anything. But think of all that time you'll save.
ColdDeckEd
Member
VictimOfGrief said:
I just upgraded to Vista Ultimate 64 earlier in the evening (I did a clean install into an empty drive), and I must say I'm impressed so far. I didn't notice any appreciable slowdown while browsing the web, but I did notice the slick aero desktop effects. I'm glad I finally got over my worries about vistas performance with 2gb of ram (which will be upgraded to 4 in a few months).
TheHeretic
Banned
When you get a hard on over a box of a 4750X2 you know you've got problems.
Still..
Still..
Mango Positive
Member
I got a new computer last May (that I didn't build because I'm a pussy), but I just used it for business stuff and media. I wasn't concerned with gaming because I have a Wii (lol) and a 360. Yesterday, I figured "Nvidia 8800GT is only $150? That's totally reasonable!" I buy it and Crysis, then get home and discover that I bought a woefully underpowered power supply. I go spend another hundred on a power supply and I also bought a gig of DDR2 ram, as my machine had 3 upgradeable to 4. Little did I know that the bastards used 2 512mb sticks for one of the gigs. Now I feel like I bought 512mb for the price of a gig. Anyone want to trade 2 512 for a gig? No one? Whatevs... Crysis runs very well on high settings (at the early stages anyway).
Since I'm new to PC gaming, what is recommended? I've already played Bioshock, Orange Box, COD4 on the 360. The last games I played on PC were the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy text adventure, Kings Quest 1 through 4, and Space Quest 1 through 3.
Edit: Keyboard & mouse control... woah. Anyone using a 360 pad on their PC needs to give KB&M a better shot.
Since I'm new to PC gaming, what is recommended? I've already played Bioshock, Orange Box, COD4 on the 360. The last games I played on PC were the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy text adventure, Kings Quest 1 through 4, and Space Quest 1 through 3.
Edit: Keyboard & mouse control... woah. Anyone using a 360 pad on their PC needs to give KB&M a better shot.
Thanks. No plans to overclock, just dipping my toes in the PC waters again, if the sharks stay away I'll probably build a serious rig next year.Labombadog said:Like the guy above told you. Get the 4850, but if your going for BIG resolution sizes on your monitor/TV then definitely get the 4870. Also, are you planning to overclock? If so get a Xigimatek HDT , or a Tuniq Tower. I have a Tuniq, and its awesome. I also have that case for my girls pc, and its a beaut. Have fun building, and give us some updates and pics.
Okay, so question. As of now is there any game out (apart from Crysis) which can't be run on everything max settings with 2 or 4xAA on 1650x1080 on 60fps on the MSI NX8800 GTS Overclocked? How about the forseeable future? Mercenaries and Spore should do fine right? How about the new Stalker and Fallout 3? Thanks!
VictimOfGrief
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Teetris said:
The 8800 X series will be able to play games for the next 18 months without any issues.
VictimOfGrief
Banned
Depends on your budget. The E7200 is a good proc but if you can afford it, go with the E8400 for a little more juice.Teetris said:Thanks.
waxer
Member
Has this thread always been this busy or is it just me noticing it all of a sudden
Just ordered all the parts for my new rig. Havnt been into pcs for a long long time. No doubt Ill be back in this thread once the parts arrive with questions.
Got
Thermaltake case armor+ mx
asus p5q pro motherboard
CORSAIR TWIN2X4096-8500C5D 2X2GB XMS2 DOMINATOR DDR2 PERFORMANCE MEMORY
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E8500 3.16GHZ 6MB 1333MHZ 45NM LGA775 (slb9k)
THERMALRIGHT ULTRA-120 EXTREME + FAN
2x Western Digital Caviar SE 640GB 7200rpm SATA hard drive
ENERMAX MODU82+ 625W PSU
SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON HD4850 DUAL SLOT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E DUAL DVI / TV-OUT
DVD writer I got given.
Now Ill have to go look up info on overclocking.
Just ordered all the parts for my new rig. Havnt been into pcs for a long long time. No doubt Ill be back in this thread once the parts arrive with questions.
Got
Thermaltake case armor+ mx
asus p5q pro motherboard
CORSAIR TWIN2X4096-8500C5D 2X2GB XMS2 DOMINATOR DDR2 PERFORMANCE MEMORY
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E8500 3.16GHZ 6MB 1333MHZ 45NM LGA775 (slb9k)
THERMALRIGHT ULTRA-120 EXTREME + FAN
2x Western Digital Caviar SE 640GB 7200rpm SATA hard drive
ENERMAX MODU82+ 625W PSU
SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON HD4850 DUAL SLOT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E DUAL DVI / TV-OUT
DVD writer I got given.
Now Ill have to go look up info on overclocking.
Hmm, I can go there no problem but I wanted to build a really cheap PC and put the rest into something else I want. So, if I get the 8400 what exactly would I get an advantage in? FPS, loading? I only want to game on this PC so don't mind all the other stuff outside gaming. Won't be playing on Vista so I'm not sure if I should get the 8400. Talk me into it!VictimOfGrief said:
ColdDeckEd
Member
Wallach said:
Once again, i'm going to have to agree with everyone suggesting to stay away from 8.8.
On my 4850 with 8.7 I was able to overclock to 700/1100 perfectly stable. Anything above the defaults with 8.8 causes driver failure and reboots.
ColdDeckEd said:
I haven't had any problems with my own 4850 and the 8.8s at all (card is OCd out of box to 675/1100). At work, I know one of the rigs with the 4870 spat out the .dll installer error, but otherwise our other problems were more specific to the 4870X2.
That said, the fixes in 8.8 were pretty negligible anyway so there's really no rush to grab them unless you're currently having issues with the 8.7s or earlier. Performance, at least for me, has been nearly identical on them - I think I picked up a whopping 12 points in Vantage (P) on the GPU score.