Official 2009 NFL Offseason Thread--The Return of the NFL Dynasty

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Why can't favre just FUCKING RETIRE ALREADY, gawd damn doesn't he realize that peoples caring meters went below zero a few years ago.
 
pollo said:
cut Favre please, let him go to Minny like he wanted to.

Ferocious D plz.
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I love how the Jets are acting like they don't care when he's cut, ignoring the huge cap ramifications :lol
 
Tamanon said:
I love how the Jets are acting like they don't care when he's cut, ignoring the huge cap ramifications :lol
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we can re-structure 3 contracts - Rhodes, Pace, Ellis - to bring us 15 mil under the cap...we'd be able to keep Favre no problem

http://www.nyjetscap.com/salarycapcuts09.html

Possible Cuts

CB David Barrett How David Barrett has remained on this team is a mystery to I think every Jet fan on the planet. He had been a mediocre player at best, yet he has found a way to inexplicably remain on the team roster. He basically is the Justin McCareins of the defense. Like McCareins in 2007, Barrett accepted a paycut to remain here this past season. Like McCareins, it is very likely that Barrett gets the axe just one year after taking that cut. Barrett’s cap figure of 4.5 million is just too high for the team to handle in 2009. He should be one of the first cuts of the year.
Cap Savings: $3,710,000

TE Chris Baker- One of the weirdest Mike Tannenbaum player signings in some time. Tannenbaum signed Baker to a relatively generous deal in 2006 when there was no market at all for the young tight end. Baker complained about wanting more money in 2008 and Tannenbaum signed him to an extension that will guarantee him 9 million dollars if he remains on the roster in the first week of March. Baker’s reputation more or less comes from one game in 2005 where he caught a bunch of passes in a blowout loss to Kansas City. Before and after that time he has been a relatively invisible player except when groaning about a new deal. No chance he sees even a penny of that 9 million and will likely be the first cut the Jets make this season.
Cap Savings: $2,100,000

LB David Bowens- Bowens is a player who could be asked to remain on the team but not at his current cap figure of 2.7 million. Bowens is a versatile player that can line up at defensive end, outside linebacker, or inside linebacker and play special teams. That should make him an asset depending on what Rex Ryan thinks of Bowens’ ability on the field. If Ryan likes him the Jets should consider signing him to a 2 or 3 year extension and spreading out his 2.5 million in salary and bonuses over that time while paying him minimal salaries every year. I think he would be open to it, but if he is not they should release him before they owe him any bonus money due this year.
Cap Savings: $2,600,000

LB Brad Kassell Does Kassell make alot of money? No, but when you are so much over the cap every little bit helps. Kassell never really developed here into an everydown player and was little more than a special teams leader in his time as a Jet. He is coming off an injury which could slow him down even moreso and does not seem like the type of aggressive player one would assume the new Jets staff is interested in. This was one of Mangini and Tannenbaums first “try hard, thinker” types and he just may not fit in here with a new regime
Cap Savings: $620,000

CB Drew Coleman Coleman is just a horror show on the field. He seems to float between active and inactive status every week and just serves no purpose for the team. He can’t cover and he does nothing else for the team. He barely snuck his way onto the team last season and will not last this one.
Cap Savings: $530,000

WR Brad Smith One of Mangini’s pet projects, Smith never really caught on in any role other than being a good special teams player his first two years as a Jet. The Jets envisioned Smith as a triple threat player, but Smith never could run the ball effectively if he lined up in the backfield, could never catch the ball or get open as a wide receiver, and was never trusted to throw the ball as a QB. He is only scheduled to make 530K this season, but that number will likely rise close to a million due to escalators in his contract. No chance of him staying at that number.
Cap Savings: $530,000

S Eric Smith Like the Smith listed above, Eric Smith just seemed like one of those Mangini pet projects that never worked out. He also should be due a hefty raise if he remains on the club this year which could lead to him being cut. The one thing that works in his favor to remain is that the Jets are very thin at safety, with only three names currently on the active roster and Smith is certainly a better player than James Ihedigbo. If he is cut it may actually be later rather than sooner, but he should definitely be on the chopping block for the team.
Cap Savings: $530,000

Restructured Deals:

LB Calvin Pace This is one of the two spots where the Jets can get major cap relief by reworking the contracts of these players. The Jets gave Pace 21.5 million in guarantees in 2008 to lure him here and 9 million of it is due as a roster bonus in just a few weeks. That 9 million puts Pace’s cap figure at a ridiculous 11.8 million dollars which just can not happen for the team. In some ways this structure was likely put in the deal so the Jets could walk away in 2010 or 2011 if he flopped with minimal cap penalty, but Pace has proven to be a good player and one that will be expected to flourish in Ryans new system. The CBA will not allow the Jets to fully prorate his roster bonus, but the team can do a portion of it and comply with the 30% rules. If the Jets convert 7.25 million of that roster bonus into a signing bonus they will reduce his cap number from 11.8 to a very manageable 6 million dollars. This will increase his cap hit by 1.45 million every year thereafter which basically guarantees him to be a Jet thru 2012, but its a chance the Jets must take this year.
Cap Savings: $5,800,000

S Kerry Rhodes This is the other huge money deal that the Jets apparently have on their hands. As recently detailed by ESPN, Rhodes cap number is going to balloon to 10.6 million which should be due to a 9 million dollar bonus payable early this year. Like Pace that is way too much to invest in anyone that does not play QB and like Pace this looks to be a player the Jets see as a centerpiece of the defense for years to come. Rhodes should be able to convert about 7.9 million of his bonus into a prorated bonus, reducing his cap charge this season from 10.6 to 4.3 million and increasing the rest of his years cap charges by about 1.6 million. This seems like a no brainer.
Cap Savings: $6,320,000

G Brandon Moore While the Jets would likely not keep Moore at his current cap figure of 5.8 million, the Jets staff knows the offensive line is the strength of the team and do not want to disrupt that by moving away a piece of the puzzle. The Jets should be able to convert Moore’s 5 million dollar roster bonus into a prorated bonus without too much trouble, though recently I was informed that Moore’s contract would need to be reworked to comply with the CBA opt out. In any event the Jets can convert the full amount of Moore’s bonus into a prorated bonus of 1 million dollars per year provided they add an extra season onto his deal extending his contract into 2013. To comply with the CBA the Jets will need to split up his roster bonus money due in 2010, most likely giving him slightly over half the money in 2009 and 2010 and then the remainder in 2013. By doing this the team should be able to reduce his 2009 cap figure o 2.2 million. Moore currently has no prorated money on his deal after 2010, so adding a million per season really has no downside as he could still be cut with little problem if he fell off a cliff by 2012
Cap Savings: $3,650,000

DE Shaun Ellis Ellis is the one long tenured Jet remaining on this team and is a well respected team player. However time is catching up to Shaun and his play fell off as the season wore on. His 6.9 million dollar cap number is very high which puts him in a position to where he either needs to accept a salary reduction or to be extended past 2010. The question is do the Jets want to tie themselves down to Ellis for much longer? Probably not. By the same token does Ellis really want to take a paycut when he saw all the money given to free agents last season? Probably not. Cutting Ellis saves the Jets 4.6 million, which is a good deal of money for a team in a bad cap situation. If there is a middle ground to be found it would be to extend Ellis for one season and prorate 3.65 million of his salary this year as a bonus over 3 years. A move like that would likely ensure Ellis to receive close to 6 million dollars over the next two seasons, which would seem to be fair for both sides. Ellis’ cap number would reduce to 4.8 million with a move like this.
Cap Savings: $2,100,000

Overall:

If the Jets were to follow these plans or do something similar they would save $28,490,000 in cap space this year which would move them from about 16 million over the cap to 12.5 million under the cap. 12.5 million gives the team ample room to sign their drafted rookies, which will likely cost close to 4 million dollars, deal with contract escalators, likely costing another 1-2 million , and have some money to spend in free agency if they choose this year. A Brett Favre retirement would basically give the Jets about 17 million in cap room to work with this offseason after rookie contracts, escalators, and anything else imaginable. It would move them from a team in the worst cap shape to somewhere right in the middle of the pack with very few bad implications on the 2010 season in the event that the owners and players union come to an agreement about a salary cap this offseason. Favre’s retirement would be very beneficial to decisions with what to do about a player like Shaun Ellis who could do all the minicamp routine with the new staff and be cut or extended much later on. If Ellis remains at his current figure and so does Favre the Jets might look at cutting or renegotiating Kenyon Coleman’s deal to get some cap relief.

At the end of the day the Jets will likely be able to sign at least one of the bigger name free agents if they feel the need and will fill out the roster with a large amount of veteran minimum type players and young players who do not cost much. If the team can somehow find a way to trade disgruntled WR Laveranues Coles expect the Jets to once again be very active in free agency and make a big bid for one of the bigger name free agents
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tl;dr summary: If Favre stays we have about ~7 mil to spend on FA after escalators+rookie contracts

If Favre leaves we have about 17 mil to spend on FA.

Damn it feels good to have an accountant as our GM :D
 
So who are guys going to rely on without Farve? Kellen Clemens? some rookie from a mediocre class? Hey I know what you guys can have Sandwich :D
 
OH MY GOD @ that OP :lol :lol

edit: This year's best Cincinatti slam

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3880848
A newly released police video shows Mississippi basketball coach Andy Kennedy pleading with an officer before his arrest on an assault charge.

"I'm begging you ... this is a major deal, man," Kennedy told police.

He added: "This is going to be a national incident, sir."

In response to his pleas, an officer said: "You think we've never arrested somebody that's made national media? ... We deal with the Bengals all the time."
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:lol

edit: beaten like the Vancouver Grizzles :|
 
pollo said:
we can re-structure 3 contracts - Rhodes, Pace, Ellis - to bring us 15 mil under the cap...we'd be able to keep Favre no problem

http://www.nyjetscap.com/salarycapcuts09.html



tl;dr summary: If Favre stays we have about ~7 mil to spend on FA after escalators+rookie contracts

If Favre leaves we have about 17 mil to spend on FA.

Damn it feels good to have an accountant as our GM :D
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yes, if he were to retire, Tamamon was responding to your "cut Favre" comment.
 
woodchuck said:
dan reeves will take us back to the promise land by telling jerry what to do
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It would be better if he told Garrett what to do instead. Its not really good when Romo, TO and Roy Williams all complain about him.
 
I'm just saying that keeping him is really no problem --after we sign our rookies AND give out our escalators, if we make all those moves above, we still save have about 7 million left in FA if we keep Favre. Backload a few of those contracts, and I think we could still be players
 
pollo said:
I'm just saying that keeping him is really no problem --after we sign our rookies AND give out our escalators, if we make all those moves above, we still save have about 7 million left in FA if we keep Favre. Backload a few of those contracts, and I think we could still be players
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he didn't say keeping him would be a problem, he said cutting him would be...
 
We don't take a cap hit if we cut him..why would it be?

If we TRADE him to the Vikings we owe the Packers 3 draft picks, we don't owe them draft picks if we cut him.

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Other than QB I think the real important move we gotta make this off-season is extending Leon's Contract. We need to lock him up for 3-4 years.

Next would be fixing our busted ass secondary. I'm hearing Jim Leonhard might be coming in with Ryan...hopefully that comes to fruiton so Rhodes can roam the backfield/get up to the LOS like he should be doing. Babysitting Abram Elam and Eric Smith back there really limited him, and you could tell he was frustrated all the time.
 
mCACGj said:
But the Ryan's don't!

But until Rex punches one of his coaches (or players) on the sideline, or issues bonuses for injuring the other team's players, I'm gonna have to say Buddy was more successful.
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Rex is awesome. I mean I was a Mangini guy, but at his press conference he really stressed the fact the Jets are going to play dirty this year. I'll believe it when I see it-- but I think the Jets are done being choir boys.
 
Great OP, awesome pic at the end :lol. Next season if Campbell doesn't get it done over the first 8 games I say its time to give this man his shot.

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BrandNew said:
I wouldn't mind seeing the Niners do well next year. Niners Steelers super bowl come on.
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It's kind of ruined now though, because a 49ers/Cowboys vs. Steelers going for the first to 6 would have been epic
 
Ænima said:
Great OP, awesome pic at the end :lol. Next season if Campbell doesn't get it done over the first 8 games I say its time to give this man his shot.

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There needs to be an open camp this year.
 
The Bears better fucking draft some wide receivers. You can't expect Orton to make plays if he doesn't have anyone to throw to.
 
Atlanta is going to continue their great play with some additions to the secondary and LB! Beware and fear the Dirty Birds!

DCX
 
DCX said:
Atlanta is going to continue their great play with some additions to the secondary and LB! Beware and fear the Dirty Birds!

DCX
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Haynesworth has said that if Tennessee isn't able to resign him, that he wants to stay close to home which means either Carolina or Atlanta more than likely.
 
pollo said:
We don't take a cap hit if we cut him..why would it be?

If we TRADE him to the Vikings we owe the Packers 3 draft picks, we don't owe them draft picks if we cut him.

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Other than QB I think the real important move we gotta make this off-season is extending Leon's Contract. We need to lock him up for 3-4 years.

Next would be fixing our busted ass secondary. I'm hearing Jim Leonhard might be coming in with Ryan...hopefully that comes to fruiton so Rhodes can roam the backfield/get up to the LOS like he should be doing. Babysitting Abram Elam and Eric Smith back there really limited him, and you could tell he was frustrated all the time.
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If the Eagles look to move McNabb for some blasphemous reason, the Jets I imagine would be all over that. With a solid defense, a running game, and a QB who historically has the lowest INT ratio the Jets would be a playoff lock. \

Probably already mentioned but Clayton mentioned this morning how the Cards will not be able to pay Boldin the same money that they gave Fitz and with Breaston developing into a great #2 for them they might look to give in to Boldin and trade him. He mentioned the two teams who would be very interested would be the Eagles and the Giants. If the Giants get him, its probably because they are not bringing back Burress. The Giants better not get him over the Eagles. We have two first round draft picks and at least one of them should be good enough for the Cards to get Boldin.

But worst case scenario if the Giants trade for Boldin and release Burress...maybe we can pick him up. Just have to keep him away from Reid's kids.
 
Seems like the Tom Cable news conference will be tomorrow Rors. Hopefully lots of great pics come from it.
 
arstal said:
I wonder if this is a viable idea.

Julius Peppers wants out of CAR, cause he can't stand Fox (same reason Jenkins wanted out)

Cassel's getting franchised

CAR is going to need a QB to even have a shot at the playoffs next year- Delhomme is finished.

Trade Peppers for Cassel, maybe throw in some spare parts to balance it out.

everyone's happy- Peppers goes to a contender, Cassel gets a starting job on a decent team, both teams remain playoff contenders, though NE is helped more (maybe they can throw in their 1st-rounder perhaps)
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You guys need a QB?
Rosencopter for Peppers straight up.

Mario + peppers would be nice.
 
Rorschach said:
:lol It begins again. Will you guys never learn? :P
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I am like a battered GF...I keep taking the abuse...with my luck the Giants will keep Burress and trade for Boldin.
 
Grrrrrrrrreeeaaaattttt..........

It seems like god might be the only one who knows what Warner might do in the future.

""When I get all the information I can sit back and pray about it and see what God leads me to do.""

Please god, whisper that sweet sweet cards contract into his ear.
 
Gary Meyer's piece in NY Daily News that shows Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez wanting Giants to trade for him.

The Giants showed interest in trading for Chiefs All-Pro tight end Tony Gonzalez at the deadline in October, but didn't offer enough. He wanted to be traded to a Super Bowl contender.

I asked Gonzalez here if he hopes the Giants have renewed interest in trading for him. “Yeah, I would,” he said. “They've got a good group. Hopefully, they re-sign some of those players they have. If the Giants were interested, I would definitely entertain that, there is no doubt about that. They are a good football team.”
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I think Boss is a real improving talent, but they need explosiveness on offense. I wouldn't trade a high choice for Gonzalez, though. I believe they offered the Chiefs (Carl Peterson) a 4th plus Sinorice Moss back in the mid-season but they declined.

Still iffy if Giants get Buress back (and suspension?), or if they decide to trade for a guy like Anquan Boldin or Braylon Edwards. I wouldn't mind Kenny Britt in the Draft in the 2nd round, since they have two selections there.
 
pollo said:
Next would be fixing our busted ass secondary. I'm hearing Jim Leonhard might be coming in with Ryan...hopefully that comes to fruiton so Rhodes can roam the backfield/get up to the LOS like he should be doing. Babysitting Abram Elam and Eric Smith back there really limited him, and you could tell he was frustrated all the time.
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If you bring in Leonhard, in order to bring Rhodes down as the 8th man, then why are you bringing in Leonhard? If you keep Leonhard as the single high safety, or back in a 2 deep scheme, you aren't utilizing him properly. Leonhard is good down in the box where he can cover TE's and WR's on underneath routes. If you ask him to back off, not blitz, and cover, you'll be posting pictures of shit in a toilet bowl come October.
 
LJ11 said:
If you bring in Leonhard, in order to bring Rhodes down as the 8th man, then why are you bringing in Leonhard? If you keep Leonhard as the single high safety, or back in a 2 deep scheme, you aren't utilizing him properly. Leonhard is good down in the box where he can cover TE's and WR's on underneath routes. If you ask him to back off, not blitz, and cover, you'll be posting pictures of shit in a toilet bowl come October.
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My B, I got them mixed up- Leonhard will be playing up and Rhodes dropping back free to roam the field. What I meant to say is put Rhodes in a position where he can act like Reed and not have to worry about his CB/other safety.

We brought in Plank as our Secondary coach so Jets fans are speculating that we're going to be running a 4-6 next year. If we bring in Leonhard that's definately an upgrade from the shit that has been playing across Rhodes for the last 2 years.
 
BrandNew said:
I wouldn't mind seeing the Niners do well next year. Niners Steelers super bowl come on.
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Oh God no, as someone living in San Jose I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

I hope we axe Anthony Smith as well
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Other then his loud mouth, he's not that bad, he's young and showed some promise in his first two years.
 
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