Official 2009 NFL Offseason Thread--The Return of the NFL Dynasty

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bionic77 said:
Oh can someone make an avatar of the game winning pass to Holmes?

Try to make it kosher for the mods. Someone special is awaiting his new avatar.


just make him a naked Santonio avatar. You know you want to.
 
Slo said:
WTF he's a pro bowl DE? Are you guys switching to 3-4 or something?

Yeah, they are, and they need a pretty good amount of personnel changes to make it happen.

I mean, I think. Saw that Justin Harrell was going to be a 3-4 DE now. Weird.
 
Slo said:
WTF he's a pro bowl DE? Are you guys switching to 3-4 or something?

Yep, full blown 3-4. The Kampman switch was expected, thankfully(?) he has Kevin Greene to coach him up. Dude better lean up this summer.

Justin Harrell...who is he again? I seem to recall a busted ass draft pick in the annals of my foggy memory but it's not coming to me...perhaps if he ever makes a play it's ring a bell.
 
eznark said:
Yep, full blown 3-4. The Kampman switch was expected, thankfully(?) he has Kevin Greene to coach him up. Dude better lean up this summer.

Justin Harrell...who is he again? I seem to recall a busted ass draft pick in the annals of my foggy memory but it's not coming to me...perhaps if he ever makes a play it's ring a bell.

First round draft choice, a DT, from Tennessee (I think). He's one of those guys whose size puts him somewhere in between what you'd like at a NT or a 3-4 DE. What I had read this morning said he has no pass rush ability and that he'll likely be a backup, but that just highlights the need for new personnel for Green Bay to effectively transition to the 3-4.
 
I was joking. He is from Tennesse and we drafted him knowing full well he had a torn bicep. Needless to say it did not pan out. He did finally start to see some snaps at the end of last year and even had a few tackles on the interior. Nothing to be excited about and if he weren't a first round pick he would not have a job.
 
Does anyone have a list of dates for the off-season events (combine, draft, free agency periods, etc)? One list with all the dates would be great. I'm already feeling the football separation anxiety. :(
 
Nightz said:
Does anyone have a list of dates for the off-season events (combine, draft, free agency periods, etc)? One list with all the dates would be great. I'm already feeling the football separation anxiety. :(

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=6063004

Feb 5: Beginning of period in which teams can designate franchise and transition players
Feb 8: AFC-NFC Pro Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii
Feb 18: NFL Scouting Combine, Indianapolis, Ind.
Feb 19: Deadline for designating franchise and transition players
Feb 24: Conclusion of NFL Scouting Combine
Feb 27: Free Agency starts, this includes:
- Deadline for submission of qualifying offers by clubs to their restricted free agents whose contracts have expired and to whom they desire to retain a right of first refusal/compensation
- Deadline for clubs to submit offer of minimum salary to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with fewer than three seasons of free agency credit whose contracts have expired
- Beginning of free-agent signing period (11 p.m. CST)
- Beginning of trade period (11 p.m. CST)
Mar 22-25: Annual owners meeting, Dana Point, Ca.
Apr: 2009 regular-season schedule announced
Apr 15: Deadline to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets
Apr 21: Deadline for old clubs to exercise right of first refusal to restricted free agents.
Apr 25-26: NFL Draft, New York City, N.Y.
May 18-20: NFL Spring Meeting, Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
Jun 1:
- Deadline for old clubs to send tender to unsigned unrestricted free agents to receive exclusive negotiating rights for rest of the season if player is not signed by another club by July 22
- Deadline for old clubs to send tender to unsigned restricted free agents or to extend qualifying offer to retain exclusive negotiating rights
Jun 15: Deadline for old clubs to withdraw original qualifying offer to unsigned restricted free agents and still retain exclusive negotiating rights by submitting tender of 110 percent of previous year's salary
Jul: NFL Rookie Symposium
Jul 22:
- Trade Deadline for franchise players
- Deadline for unsigned RFA/ERFA to sign with new clubs
Aug 9: First weekend of exhibition games
Sept 3-6: Kickoff Week
 
harSon said:
Steelers better win it all next year, Super Bowl is on my birthday!

With the bye week, the game is never on my birthday anymore. But still, close enough to celebrate an entire week of greatness.

Anyway, optimistically, they'll have a really good chance. Injuries are a great concern, and the O-line of course, but I seriously feel like it can't be much worse next year (49 sacks allowed, fourth most in the NFL this year).
 
Gigglepoo said:
Did the league ever issue an official statement about why Holmes wasn't flagged for his TD celebration?

Not that I know of, but I really am perplexed by that, officiating wise. That, in theory, should be something that's called every time, but in reality celebrations are hardly called anymore. So I don't see why this is any different than a standard Ocho Stinko celebration.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Did the league ever issue an official statement about why Holmes wasn't flagged for his TD celebration?

Maybe they finally realized that penalizing celebrations that in no way, shape or form belittle an opponent shouldn't be flagged. This can't be though since Goodell gives the Amish a run for their money in the straight laced category.
 
BrandNew said:
Not that I know of, but I really am perplexed by that, officiating wise. That, in theory, should be something that's called every time, but in reality celebrations are hardly called anymore. So I don't see why this is any different than a standard Ocho Stinko celebration.

They discussed it last night on NFL Net. After the catch, Holmes stayed on the ground. They showed how the official correctly stayed on him after the catch. Holmes sits there hugging the ball. Then, the teammates mob him while on the ground. The ref stays on them. All the players get up and continue to rejoice. Ref keeps watching. Players begin to disperse and the ref says, ok, nothing to see here and turns to walk up field to get ready for the extra point. Holmes turns around and does his Lebron (Meanwhile, NBC switches away to a replay of the catch just as Holmes was about to do it) while the ref is walking away. Yeah, should have been a penalty. But it happened so late, nobody saw it.
 
Yeah, should have been a penalty.

By rule, yes. But good lord are penalties for celebrations stupid.

No, you know what should be penalized? Celebrating first downs when you team is down by two TDs or more at the end of the game. Reall, dipshit? You're going to lose, but hey, you got some yards, so why not act like your shit don't stink?

Super Bowl winning TDs, though, in particular should be given free passes. That's kind of an emotionally charged moment, I would imagine. I mean, I freaked out when he pulled the ball down, and I'm just some geek watching from my couch; how do you expect the dude who catches the ball not to go a little crazy?

It works the same way for TDs in regular season games, too, just not to the same extent.
 
NME said:
First round draft choice, a DT, from Tennessee (I think). He's one of those guys whose size puts him somewhere in between what you'd like at a NT or a 3-4 DE. What I had read this morning said he has no pass rush ability and that he'll likely be a backup, but that just highlights the need for new personnel for Green Bay to effectively transition to the 3-4.

Well all he has to do is fuck up the oline shit so the lb's can roam freely
 
NME said:
By rule, yes. But good lord are penalties for celebrations stupid.

No, you know what should be penalized? Celebrating first downs when you team is down by two TDs or more at the end of the game. Reall, dipshit? You're going to lose, but hey, you got some yards, so why not act like your shit don't stink?

Super Bowl winning TDs, though, in particular should be given free passes. That's kind of an emotionally charged moment, I would imagine. I mean, I freaked out when he pulled the ball down, and I'm just some geek watching from my couch; how do you expect the dude who catches the ball not to go a little crazy?

It works the same way for TDs in regular season games, too, just not to the same extent.

Hey, I don't disagree.

Not that I want to turn this into another ref bash fest, but while we're discussing things that weren't called, how many times is Kurt Warner allowed to remove his helmet while on the field anyway? He did it two or three times. Believe he did it in the championship game too. Farrior did it once after he thought his defense just made the play that sealed the win and he got blasted for it. Which leads me to this, change the rule to obvious or blatant offenders...guys who are showboating, throwing temper tantrums, or blatantly trying to rub it in during the middle of the game. Not for several minutes after plays are over or at the end of games where people just might be celebrating championships.
 
spectral,

there are exceptions, during a challenge or a measurement for example. Don't know the scenarios that you're referring to though, but there is more leeway for officials on this than other unsportsmanlike conduct calls.

Also if you're walking towards your sideline I believe.
 
nah, if I was mad I'd say they should all be entranced by Tom Brady's black magic and transform into the Patriots' new practice squad.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Hey, I don't disagree.

Not that I want to turn this into another ref bash fest, but while we're discussing things that weren't called, how many times is Kurt Warner allowed to remove his helmet while on the field anyway? He did it two or three times. Believe he did it in the championship game too. Farrior did it once after he thought his defense just made the play that sealed the win and he got blasted for it. Which leads me to this, change the rule to obvious or blatant offenders...guys who are showboating, throwing temper tantrums, or blatantly trying to rub it in during the middle of the game. Not for several minutes after plays are over or at the end of games where people just might be celebrating championships.

A fine idea in principle, but adding that subjective level is something I do not think current NFL officials can handle by and large.
 
firex said:
nah, if I was mad I'd say they should all be entranced by Tom Brady's black magic and transform into the Patriots' new practice squad.

If that were to happen they'd cement their place in history as the only team to go 16-0 and 0-16, they're morale would be completely crushed due to being destroyed day after day in practice.
 
levious said:
spectral,

there are exceptions, during a challenge or a measurement for example. Don't know the scenarios that you're referring to though, but there is more leeway for officials on this than other unsportsmanlike conduct calls.

Also if you're walking towards your sideline I believe.

Yeah, I think the sideline one is one exception. I think the one that sticks out in my mind is Kurt took his off to argue the fumble call.
 
harSon said:
If that were to happen they'd cement their place in history as the only team to go 16-0 and 0-16, they're morale would be completely crushed due to being destroyed day after day in practice.
but the steelers have never gone 16-0. I don't get what you're saying.
 
firex said:
but the steelers have never gone 16-0. I don't get what you're saying.

I think he's saying the Steelers as a practice squad on the devils team would kick the shit out of the Cheatriots starters causing them to be romo unstable and cry like bitches as they go 0-16:D
 
Tamanon said:
It's going to be a long off-season if all it is is AFC North tomfoolery.

Shockingly, LJ still wants out.

We're pretty much guaranteed a playoff birth with our disgustingly easy schedule and division next season, I hope a lot of the teams in our schedule are on the rebound, going into the playoffs without being battle tested typically doesn't end well.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Still better than NFC East reach arounds!

Not really. NFC East tomfoolery usually provides some great laughs. The only legitimate entertaining thing that comes out of the the AFC North are arrests and convictions.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Yeah, I think the sideline one is one exception. I think the one that sticks out in my mind is Kurt took his off to argue the fumble call.


Change of possession then, could fall under the timeout umbrella, don't really know.
 
Big-E said:
Not really. NFC East tomfoolery usually provides some great laughs. The only legitimate entertaining thing that comes out of the the AFC North are arrests and convictions.

But the most entertaining is jealous/bitter AFC East coaches who don't talk to each other and videotaping scandals.
 
levious said:
Change of possession then, could fall under the timeout umbrella, don't really know.

Possibly, but if right, then that should also include Farrior's flag as the play was initially ruled a fumble with recovery and a change of possession. But it's all water under the bridge anyway. On to the draft!!
 
Spectral Glider said:
Possibly, but if right, then that should also include Farrior's flag as the play was initially ruled a fumble with recovery and a change of possession. But it's all water under the bridge anyway. On to the draft!!


Did Farrior take off the helmet to celebrate though? That would not fall under the exception I believe.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Possibly, but if right, then that should also include Farrior's flag as the play was initially ruled a fumble with recovery and a change of possession. But it's all water under the bridge anyway. On to the draft!!

only 79 days 22 hours away!!!
 
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