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Official 2011 MLB Thread v.2: The Mets are terrible.
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darkside31337
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Sharp said:
Hope you guys can do what the Mets couldn't today.
Xplatformer
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Come on Dodgers. Finish up the season at home strong.
Then figure out how you can get Pujols or Fielder.
(yeah, field of dreams shit. i know)
Then figure out how you can get Pujols or Fielder.
(yeah, field of dreams shit. i know)
The Frankman
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*wins 2 of 3 vs. Braves*darkside31337 said:
Game they lose - AW METS CAN'T TANK RIGHT
*lose 2 of 3 vs. Cards*
Game they win - DAMMIT METS SUCK I NEED TO BE RAYS FAN
... fair and balanced, yo.
sf2fanatic
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hemtae said:
Hell yeah it was. Was looking forward to the three way tie for the wild card...lol
Tommy back in the dugout.
E: KEMVP making the triple crown real interesting
Ninja Scooter
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Has a none playoff team ever had an MVP and a Cy Young?
sf2fanatic
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rc213 said:Matt Kemp gawdamn! Can he get to 40/40?
I think he needs at least 40 to take over HR lead
It's pretty remarkable what Kemp and Kershaw have done this year considering all the drama surrounding the team. I'm surprised we have as many wins as we do, especially with Ethier playing like a weenie all year. Hopefully next year we can start the season off better and have a shot at the postseason.
GO BLUE!
GO BLUE!
weekend_warrior
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Baltimore beat Detroit? Man I love those guys! Yankees number to clinch homefield through AL playoffs is 2!
darkside31337
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Detroit is just ensuring they play the Yankees in the first round as they want it.
Mr. Enigma
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Playoff Odds at the end of September 22
AMERICAN LEAGUE
Tigers -- 100% (clinched AL Central title 9/16)
Yankees -- 100% (clinched AL East title 9/21)
Rangers -- 99.5% (lead AL West by 5.0; 6 games remaining)
Red Sox -- 88.9% (lead AL Wild Card by 2.0; 6 games remaining)
Rays -- 8.0% (trail AL Wild Card by 2.0; 6 games remaining)
Angels -- 3.7% (trail AL Wild Card by 3.0; 6 games remaining)
NATIONAL LEAGUE
Phillies -- 100% (clinched NL East title 9/17)
Diamondbacks -- 99.9% (clinched NL West tie 9/22)
Brewers -- 99.9% (lead NL Central by 5.0; 6 games remaining)
Braves -- 75.0% (lead NL Wild Card by 2.0; 6 games remaining)
Cardinals -- 24.4% (trail NL Wild Card by 2.0; 6 games remaining)
Giants -- 0.8% (trail NL Wild Card by 4.0; 6 games remaining)darkside31337
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maruchan said:
Yeah but those 1962 Dodgers won 102 games.
That Dodgers roster needs to be imploded. There are about 5 guys on that roster who should be on the team next season.
Mr. Enigma
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darkside31337 said:
I'm still laughing my ass off at that Juan Uribe contract. What the fuck was Colletti thinking.
Mr. Enigma
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Joe Strauss, the Cardinals beat writer for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, just posted the following on Twitter:
Supposedly, Pujols and his wife are already looking at potential homes in Chicago.
@JoeStrauss said:
Supposedly, Pujols and his wife are already looking at potential homes in Chicago.
darkside31337
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I remember the time Barry Zito was looking for places to live in and around New York. Thank god that never happened.
1st in OPS, 2nd in HR, 1st in RBI, 3rd in BA, 2nd in SB. Matt Kemp is a beast.
I think this team can really turn it around next year. It doesn't take much.
- Dee Gordon has raised his OBP to .324 after it sat around .280 for most of the year. If he can come out next year and put up a .340 OBP, we'll be a lot better at the top of the order.
- Loney has also really turned it around. He's gone from being far and away the worst 1B in the majors to just pretty bad. And over the last two months, I'd even say he's been productive. If we can get a .775 OPS out of him, we'll be a lot better off. I'd prefer to pick up a new 1B, but assuming that doesn't happen, there's a lot of room for improvement with Loney. He has put up a .900+ OPS in the past, although I'm not holding out hope for that.
- Ethier had a down year, but he'll be in contract mode next year. A .900 OPS season from him would work wonders.
The playoff potential is right there with the pieces we already have. If they can sign a bat, that's even better.
I think this team can really turn it around next year. It doesn't take much.
- Dee Gordon has raised his OBP to .324 after it sat around .280 for most of the year. If he can come out next year and put up a .340 OBP, we'll be a lot better at the top of the order.
- Loney has also really turned it around. He's gone from being far and away the worst 1B in the majors to just pretty bad. And over the last two months, I'd even say he's been productive. If we can get a .775 OPS out of him, we'll be a lot better off. I'd prefer to pick up a new 1B, but assuming that doesn't happen, there's a lot of room for improvement with Loney. He has put up a .900+ OPS in the past, although I'm not holding out hope for that.
- Ethier had a down year, but he'll be in contract mode next year. A .900 OPS season from him would work wonders.
The playoff potential is right there with the pieces we already have. If they can sign a bat, that's even better.
darkside31337
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Joe said:
Most baseball people, at least from those who have shared their opinion online, hate the movie. The movie seems that it does an awful job representing the book and does an awful job representing what baseball operations are actually like. If you don't care or don't know anything about those 2 things then it's probably an interesting movie to see.
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yeah this is the impression i've gottendarkside31337 said:
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Mr. Enigma
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rc213 said:
Will this work for the playoffs?
Joe Shlabotnik
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Doytch said:
Yes. It's likely sabremetricians aren't actually the best people to review a movie ostensibly "about" sabremetrics.
Moneyball is a great read, but it's unfilmable in even a relatively straight adaptation. I was wondering how they turned the book into a compelling movie, and it seems they didn't--they just used it as a jumping off point for a story about the tension between evidence and intuition, which is much more universal. This is a smart idea, cinematically.
For all I know the movie fails even on its own terms, but I have a feeling the BP reviewers, etc. are not exactly cinéastes and were mostly upset at the appalling lack of acronyms and abbreviations.
Dmncnby2k9
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Hows the book though? Good Read?
Joe Shlabotnik
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Dmncnby2k9 said:
Oh yeah. If you're posting in this thread you're almost guaranteed to like it. I mean, unless you believe silly things like your ace is a worthless piece of shit if he has a bad World Series.
darkside31337
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Joe Shlabotnik said:
Cliff Lee can't win the big one. Totally his fault the Phillies lost to the Yankees. He didn't do enough.
turnbuckle
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Keith law is a movie guy and he hated itSanjuro Tsubaki said:
darkside31337
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Most baseball people hate the movie because it's not a good baseball movie. It's actually a mockery of the sport in a lot of ways.
Phillies first team in baseball history to lose 6 games in a row immediately after winning a division title. I guess Howard used up all his clutchness already.
Phillies first team in baseball history to lose 6 games in a row immediately after winning a division title. I guess Howard used up all his clutchness already.
The truth is that passionate people are sometimes idiots. People who are fans of the book and expect the movie to deliver the same experience are idiots. People who are fans of baseball history and expect this movie to deliver a documentary-like representation of events are idiots.
A Hollywood movie is so often compromised by it's inherent nature and it's end goals that you are silly for expecting something more.
A Hollywood movie is so often compromised by it's inherent nature and it's end goals that you are silly for expecting something more.
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darkside31337 said:
I agree. He should have been the DH on his off days, and played in the field in the games in Philly.
darkside31337
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If the Boston game rains out today that would mean Lester will miss out on making his scheduled start for the last game of the regular season or he'll pitch on 3 days rest. On top of that chaotic schedule for the makeup games.
The smaller characters are kind of pushed aside because realistically this is a story about Billy Beane and Paul DePodesta. Scott Hatteberg, Dave Justice, etc. are just bit players. One thing that surprised me was they didn't really talk about the pitching staff at all outside of Chad Bradford and eventually Rincon... the rest of the crew didn't really get their due. I'm a baseball guy and a movie guy and Moneyball is excellent.Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
There's no question that it glosses over the true day to day operations of a club and that's because that wouldn't make for compelling movie. The battle between using sabermetrics and the older, established thought processes is presented very well though and Pitt and Hill do excellent jobs. The way they weave in Beane's own experiences as a young player with his new desire to break the mold is an excellent subplot that succeeds on many levels. I'd certainly recommend the movie to anyone.
One of the more amusing moments was when Hill and Pitt are sitting in the back and the sports talk guy discusses how Howe's leadership and calm demeanor have lead them to the current 7 game win streak they're on.. which happens shortly after Beane had to ship guys off to get Howe to play his players. I'm sure a lot of front office guys would just nod their head at that scene.
hemtae
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darkside31337
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Cashman was totally right too. Gardner was and obviously still is a better player than Crawford. Any Yankee fan clamoring for Crawford was an idiot.
CajoleJuice
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But you enjoyed Warrior more! Moneyball sucks, confirmed.Meier said:
And Cashman has been pretty awesome this year.
So the fact that intelligent people don't like Hollywood movies pandering to the lowest common denominator (the real idiots) make the intelligent people the idiots? I'm saying this in general, not just Moneyball, especially since I haven't even seen it. Man, I sound like Keith Law. *shudders*
darkside31337
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CajoleJuice said:
I'd say more lucky than anything. Pitching was a big need so they went out and got Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia. And it actually worked.
CajoleJuice
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Nah, I mean his quotes in the media and press conferences where he bashes his biggest free-agent signings.darkside31337 said:
CajoleJuice said:
I think expectations dramatically effect opinion. So, if you are an intelligent person, you should have an informed perspective on what to expect from a big-budget, Hollywood movie that is only two hours long. If you don't, then you deserve to be called an idiot.
Look at Shawshank Redemption. Many intelligent people classify that as one of the greatest movies of all-time, despite the fact that the main antagonist was one of the most overused, ham-fisted movie tropes of all time. The essence of 'pandering to the LCD'. But people can overlook it they realize it's a Hollywood movie and you don't always have time to make every character as nuanced as they should be.
darkside31337
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Well obviously he can afford to be brutally honest because he's already planned his bailing out of town and taking the GM job in Chicago.
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