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Official 2011 MLB Thread v.2: The Mets are terrible.
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captmcblack
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Beltran wants to stay in the NL, so he won't be in CLE or BOS. Would the Mets actually trade within their division to their enemies?
darkside31337
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captmcblack said:
Seeing Beltran getting traded to the Braves and completely wreck up the Phillies in the playoffs would be completely sweet.
As a Mets fan though why would it matter where he gets traded to? Sandy should get the best package available regardless from who it is from. Its a 3 month rental, not trading a guy under team control for a couple years.
turnbuckle
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darkside31337 said:
Beltran ain't worth a rental when the Mets are most likely going to want some combination of Turner, Castellanos, Oliver, and Martinez. Can't offer arbitration, and the upgrade over what we have in the outfield probably won't be as big an upgrade as Betemit was over Inge.
That's how bad Inge has been. He's no longer a plus on defense and his offense was just woeful. .177 batting average with no power or ability to draw walks.
darkside31337
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Educated guess on Beltran talks, as of today: I think ATL is the frontrunner, 2. SF. ATL has nice range of P prospects, like Mike Minor.
Funnest part of this is thinking about where Fredi bats Beltran in the lineup. I'm going to say 1st because he probably thinks Beltran is the guy who still steals 25+ stolen bases a year (and has the absolutely unreal career 88.2% success rate on steals).
Educated guess on Beltran talks, as of today: I think ATL is the frontrunner, 2. SF. ATL has nice range of P prospects, like Mike Minor.
Funnest part of this is thinking about where Fredi bats Beltran in the lineup. I'm going to say 1st because he probably thinks Beltran is the guy who still steals 25+ stolen bases a year (and has the absolutely unreal career 88.2% success rate on steals).
Mr. Enigma
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AJC reports that Mets scouts were in attendance to watch Minor's AAA start last night.
yankeehater
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I really hope the Braves get him, really anyone but the Phils would be good with me.
The Frankman
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Have you people seen Beltran's insane across-the-board numbers? 3 months of Beltran could've guaranteed the Pirates the playoffs. It can be the piece that pushes the Braves over the Phils, plus Mets want one A and an ok B and they're picking up a large part of the tab? Geez I've seen some of you guys go gaga over scrub trades over the past years, this dude is actually worth it.
Cutch is going to demand a trade. All the stars are in alignment now.darkside31337 said:
yankeehater
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Honestly how often do these end of the year rentals even work out? Phils and Braves are both going to make the playoffs, so which ever team mortgages their future for a slight edge this year is just being stupid IMO.
I think Raul and Dom would split AB's. That is another reason I dont like it, Dom has been doing well this year against rightys, he just needs more AB's against lefties. This would slow his development big time.
Jangocube said:
I think Raul and Dom would split AB's. That is another reason I dont like it, Dom has been doing well this year against rightys, he just needs more AB's against lefties. This would slow his development big time.
darkside31337
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yankeehater said:
Define what "work out" means.
To me working out means the guy you traded for was a big reason you got into the playoffs. So the Sabathia trade worked out for the Brewers that one year he single handily got them in, and obviously the Cliff Lee trade to the Rangers worked out for them as well.
But the points everyone is making is true. The Rangers got 2 picks for losing Lee, whoever gets Beltran will end up keeping nothing unless Beltran decides to stick around for a reasonable price with that team.
yankeehater
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darkside31337 said:
No way does a Scott Boras client stick around for a reasonable price anywhere. I cant believe I forgot about Lee and CC, both of those trades worked out great for their teams. I would just be gun shy to do a rental because I cant forget about Bagwell. I dont want the Phils to trade Worley and have him become an All-star for another team.
turnbuckle
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The Frankman said:
You'd make that trade if you were on the other end of the deal? You're nuts.
ThingontheFloor
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yankeehater said:
People I would trade Worley for: Hunter Pence.
People I would not trade Worley for: Beltran. It doesnt make sense to trade within the division for a 2-3 month rental, especially with Oswalt and Blanton being the questions marks they are right now and possibly next year.
Id accept Pence because, to play devils advocate, Worley is still only going to be the 4th or 5th best pitcher in the rotation, and in the playoffs, a strong RH is going to do us a lot better than a pitcher we may not even be using. I dont see the Astros making another ridiculous trade with us again, but who knows.
Dmncnby2k9
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There's no way the Braves would give up Julio Teharen for Beltran, rite Braves-Gaf?
Mr. Enigma
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Dmncnby2k9 said:
Teheran is absolutely off limits. It looks like Mike Minor may be the one the Braves are willing to give up.
Dmncnby2k9
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O ok, I just read about Minor. Teheran would be awesome but nobody gives up a player of that caliber for a rental. I was also reading about a kid named Vizcaino, Mets were scouting him and liked him.
The Frankman
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I hope who gets Beltran eliminates the other teams from contention. I've seen worse deals for inferior players at the deadline and people are acting like Beltran ain't worth it. It's not about making the playoffs, it's about putting yourself ahead of other playoffs teams.
Beltran puts the Pirates on par with the Braves hittingwise, maybe over (Atlanta isn't great at hitting). Boston don't really need hium but whatever. He would be a GODsend for the Giants, who have tampered at every turn to woo him. Any hitter at CPP is going to hit so whatever, but I'd have to see the Phils' prospects. Don't get why the Tigers would need him... Cleveland is interesting but I guess they're out. You put him on Texas and that's fucking unfair right there...
But tonight Reyes/Wright/Beltran is back, and the Marlins are GONNA GET GOT!!!
EDIT: Wait Braves have Venters/Kimbrel/Martinez and you want Parnell too? LOL you take Mike Pelfrey and like it.
Beltran puts the Pirates on par with the Braves hittingwise, maybe over (Atlanta isn't great at hitting). Boston don't really need hium but whatever. He would be a GODsend for the Giants, who have tampered at every turn to woo him. Any hitter at CPP is going to hit so whatever, but I'd have to see the Phils' prospects. Don't get why the Tigers would need him... Cleveland is interesting but I guess they're out. You put him on Texas and that's fucking unfair right there...
But tonight Reyes/Wright/Beltran is back, and the Marlins are GONNA GET GOT!!!
EDIT: Wait Braves have Venters/Kimbrel/Martinez and you want Parnell too? LOL you take Mike Pelfrey and like it.
The Frankman
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I have another report that Braves are expanding the deal to include Jason Bay for Tehran and Delgado.eznark said:
Mr. Enigma
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A Delaware judge has just rejected Frank McCourt's proposed $150 million bankruptcy financing plan for the Dodgers.
The circus continues. I feel really bad for Dodgers fans. This has to be a dark time right now, considering they were in the NLCS two seasons ago.
The circus continues. I feel really bad for Dodgers fans. This has to be a dark time right now, considering they were in the NLCS two seasons ago.
The Frankman
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Schafer is included in the deal, Mets OF Jason Pridie was shaking hands in the dugout st workout today.Windu said:
EDIT: LOL
... they say Scott Boras' heart grew three sizes that day...
XiaNaphryz
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At times, I wonder if some in the media are purposely trying to make more stat-conscious fans explode in rage.
well i would rather trade Delgado than Minor. Minor and Vizcainio is a toss up, Vizcaino has the higher ceiling but i'm not sure he'll reach it. Probably going to end up as a late inning reliever which in that case Minor would be of course the better pitcher.Maxim726X said:
Honestly though, Beltran + Parnell for Minor is a fair deal which i would be okay with. Starters are twice as valuable as relievers.
Still think that deal favors the mets though.
Dmncnby2k9
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Mets won't trade Parnell, but take Byrdak instead.Windu said:
darkside31337
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The Yankees called the Rays about James Shields and were told he is not available -- presumably to NYY, and BOS
That would be a trade that makes no sense to make within their own division.
Mets aren't going to trade Parnell. The entire reason they're keeping Izzy around is to groom Parnell. So now they're going to trade Parnell? I'm not buying it.
It might be Beltran + somebody else for Minor but I seriously doubt it's Parnell (and no chance in hell it's Harvey).
The Yankees called the Rays about James Shields and were told he is not available -- presumably to NYY, and BOS
That would be a trade that makes no sense to make within their own division.
Mets aren't going to trade Parnell. The entire reason they're keeping Izzy around is to groom Parnell. So now they're going to trade Parnell? I'm not buying it.
It might be Beltran + somebody else for Minor but I seriously doubt it's Parnell (and no chance in hell it's Harvey).
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