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Official 2011 MLB Thread v.2: The Mets are terrible.
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Ninja Scooter
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Windu said:
Always wondered if Dodger D would be better with Gwynn Jr at Center and Kemp in Left. Can Gwynn play CF?
darkside31337
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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
To be fair they get 2.5 years of Ubaldo at a very, very, affordable price.
It wasn't just a move made as a win now move.
And are they good enough to make the playoffs? They play in the AL Central. You really don't have to be good to make the playoffs.
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
It's not like this is a rental. The Indians have control of Ubaldo for two more seasons for 11 million total. If they need to, they can flip him for prospects in 2013, if they are not in contention.
At the age of 27, Jiminez is now the oldest starter on this team. The window to win is now. Choo, Sizemore and Hafner will all be gone in a couple years.
darkside31337
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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Because it'll help increase the odds of getting in and then actually doing something when they're in there?
Adding Ubaldo is a bigger deal precisely because you play in the AL Central, a division where not a single team in it has a positive run differential.
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the other obvious scenario is if the Indians don't get better, but Ubaldo does, than you can flip him next season or the season after for maybe better prospects? Worst case is obviously if Ubaldo falls off big time and you get nothing for 2 and a half mediocre years.
Can you really flip him for better than 4 of your top/toppish prospects? Unless they can get back 1 stud or something.Ninja Scooter said:
This deal makes a ridiculous amount of sense because he's signed through 2013 (well, option).
But I can't figure out why the rockies traded him. Do they really not think they have a shot before 2013?
darkside31337
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Y2Kev said:
Which begs the question just how worried / how much are they hiding regarding his health?
There really was no reason to be so desperate to get rid of him at this point.
None of these deals make sense to me. We get Harden, he comes injury prone posting say a four ERA. Tell me why Kevin Milwood could not accomplish the same?
Our biggest obstacle is having Lackey in the rotation and not obtaining some veteran fielder. Reddick is having an AMAZING season to date. I still would want some insurance out there. McDonald is an embarrassing backup.
Our biggest obstacle is having Lackey in the rotation and not obtaining some veteran fielder. Reddick is having an AMAZING season to date. I still would want some insurance out there. McDonald is an embarrassing backup.
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Joey Fox said:
So in other words Bill Smith will give up Span + other pieces for Storen.
Yep.
darkside31337
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Rosenthal said:
4 minor leaguers in the deal, no word as to who yet.
darkside31337
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Yeah it's a huge move landing Bourn.
Bill Smith should have some leverage now with Span, maybe he won't be so desperate to ship him out of town for a reliever now.
Bill Smith should have some leverage now with Span, maybe he won't be so desperate to ship him out of town for a reliever now.
darkside31337
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Braves also getting some money from the Astros in the Bourn deal.
Ed Wade sure likes giving money to other teams. What a friendly and charitable guy.
Ed Wade sure likes giving money to other teams. What a friendly and charitable guy.
yankeehater
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Damn that is a great move for the Braves. I really like Bourn a lot.
Through July (the time in which Reddick established himself as the every day RF for now and Crawford got off the DL) McDonald as a slash of .276/.400/.586. Despite having a bad year overall to this point he's still got a slash of .212/.293/.442 against lefties, with a three year lefties slash of .312/.373/.473. We'll be fine with McDonald as a lefties on part timer.Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Lackey has been solid if unspectacular with only one truly bad outing since June 29th, a period of six starts. Three of those qualify as a quality start, two others would be if he'd recorded just one more out. He's not the biggest problem in the rotation right now.
Andrew Miller is the real issue. He's getting by with smoke and mirrors against bad teams. He's a walk machine who gives up gopher balls when he is forced to come at pitchers. He's got potential but he's by far the weakest rotational link right now on the Sox. He was called up too quickly because he could walk if they didn't, but now he needs to get back to AAA and sort shit out again.
Its all irrelevant for now though. Becks, Lester, Lackey, Wake, and Miller with Aceves picking up the tail end of games for the last three is good enough to win the division with this offense, and come September Miller, Dubront, etc. can all help pitch in to find some additional starting options. The big question is if Buchholz will be healthy in time to get sharp before post-season play. If not they need a Harden/Bedard/Kuroda type to be the #3 starter.
It doesn't sound like Buch will be back for this season, so I'm kind of writing him off.
Miller is what he is. With this offense, he often puts us in a position to win. He isn't spectacular but he isn't complete hot garbage either. Number five? He is absolutely serviceable.
I practically hate everything about Lackey. Sure he has been having some better starts recently. Isn't going to change he is highly unreliable at his position, has a poor attitude, and just overall looks like a complete dolt on the mound.
Darnell reconditioned himself in the off-season for more playing time, he hasn't gotten that or the plate appearances. He is the worst defensively out there and is still a liability at the plate. I would still like to have some sort of backup around regardless.
Drew I think may have gone back into the cornfields. Reddick is proving himself everyday. He has a cannon of an arm and a hot bat, but I still would like some insurance going towards the finish line. Even say a Coco Crisp would be preferable. Some speed, familiarity, switch hitter who is able to give some productivity as well as solid defense.
Miller is what he is. With this offense, he often puts us in a position to win. He isn't spectacular but he isn't complete hot garbage either. Number five? He is absolutely serviceable.
I practically hate everything about Lackey. Sure he has been having some better starts recently. Isn't going to change he is highly unreliable at his position, has a poor attitude, and just overall looks like a complete dolt on the mound.
Darnell reconditioned himself in the off-season for more playing time, he hasn't gotten that or the plate appearances. He is the worst defensively out there and is still a liability at the plate. I would still like to have some sort of backup around regardless.
Drew I think may have gone back into the cornfields. Reddick is proving himself everyday. He has a cannon of an arm and a hot bat, but I still would like some insurance going towards the finish line. Even say a Coco Crisp would be preferable. Some speed, familiarity, switch hitter who is able to give some productivity as well as solid defense.
mightynine
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My god, I think I love that Braves trade for Bourn.
darkside31337
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McNei1y said:
If the Nats sent Storen + some mid-tier prospect for Span it'd still be a steal.
There's almost no way to lose a Storen + whatever for Span deal for the Nats.
vas_a_morir
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Reds GOTTA trade Hernandez. He's got a lot of value right now.
darkside31337
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vas_a_morir said:
Not gonna happen. Reds should trade Hernandez and call up Mesoraco but they won't do it because they're "in the race" and you have to have a veteran catcher according to Dusty.
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darkside31337 said:
I would be surprised if they didn't do anything. It's Jocketty's decision in the end, after all.
Brett Oberholtzer and Paul Clemens are pretty decent prospects, they were in the 2nd teir of pitchers behind Teheran, Delgado and Vizcaino. Juan Abreu looked good out of the pen in his debut the other day, hopefully wren doesn't stop and gets a good righty and then calls up Viscanio to add to the pen. Best part about this trade is no more Schafer in the leadoff spot. Also, Capitol Avenue Club ranked Oberholtzer #9, Paul Clemens #10 and Juan Abreu #20 in their mid-season rankings. http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=4596 Anyway, good deal. Wren successfully raised the price for Beltran and Pence and got Bourn for significantly less who i think is a better option than both of them.
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Predicted today's game. Cabby with 2 HRs, Jackson and Peralta both with a HR and Inge even got himself his first career double. JV with eight Ks.
darkside31337
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It's been wild how it went from nothing happening a week ago to a crapload of trades in rapid fire over the past few days.
Seems like almost all the deals that were to be made have been made though now, with the exception of some relievers. Kinda sets up an underwhelming last few hours but I'm hoping for a huge shocker or two.
Seems like almost all the deals that were to be made have been made though now, with the exception of some relievers. Kinda sets up an underwhelming last few hours but I'm hoping for a huge shocker or two.
capitol avenue club bourn trade analysis http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=4685
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