dammitmattt
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Speevy said:
Yes. And it did it in 5 days.
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Official April 2008 NPD thread of massive disappointment if you're not Nintendo
- Thread starter sonycowboy
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Yes. And it did it in 5 days.
BlackGoku03
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Kagari said it was happening in his store too.Vilix said:
Next time I go to work, I'm going to call around other stores in nearby counties to see if they are experiencing the same thing.
dammitmattt
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TwinIonEngines said:
Really?
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
BlackGoku03 said:
5 days.
RpgN
Junior Member
Plinko said:
Companies will start releasing more games, but are you really expecting their games to sell decent on the wii? As much as wii is selling amazingly, nintendo gets all the pie in the end. Lots of franchises are selling more than well on the xbox360/ps3 already. A wii is still a big risk for certain genres IMO.
Holy fucking shit!
I've read nearly all this meltdowns in more than 2 hours.:lol
I've seen countless times people claimed that initially losing money on hardware is standard in this business, even when there are reports that the 360 and the PS3 lost an insane amount of money at the beginning. Basically it should help to sell the hardware at launch.
And then I've read countless times that the hardware prices would go down fast because the price was so high.
In the end, the second claim doesn't seem to be true if the hardware producers actually want to gain a profit. And if they want to stay profitable, we see now that the initial lost of money hurt them in the middle of the generation.
They don't have any other choice except rethinking their business modell in the next cycle. And if they still want to stay competitive, they should forget to stay profitable and start losing money on hardware again (= massive price drops on hardware).
I've read nearly all this meltdowns in more than 2 hours.:lol
I've seen countless times people claimed that initially losing money on hardware is standard in this business, even when there are reports that the 360 and the PS3 lost an insane amount of money at the beginning. Basically it should help to sell the hardware at launch.
And then I've read countless times that the hardware prices would go down fast because the price was so high.
In the end, the second claim doesn't seem to be true if the hardware producers actually want to gain a profit. And if they want to stay profitable, we see now that the initial lost of money hurt them in the middle of the generation.
They don't have any other choice except rethinking their business modell in the next cycle. And if they still want to stay competitive, they should forget to stay profitable and start losing money on hardware again (= massive price drops on hardware).
CowboyAstronaut
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Those ps3 and 360 sales are pretty bad.
I also expected higher sales out of GTA IV.
Nintendo is simply dominating everyone.
I also expected higher sales out of GTA IV.
Nintendo is simply dominating everyone.
Bending_Unit_22
Member
Now that is funny. SDF's little NPD chart is also funny to be fair. HD enthusiasts can call the Wii whatever they want, I find their hate funny. I also find it funny that the Wii is absolutely destroying the HD systems as well. In fact, I've found this entire thread to be very funny.dammitmattt said:
Really?
Did you not see the graph a few pages back where it shows that 3rd party software sales are 60% of the total software sales on wii since last year?RpgN said:
EDIT: Here it is again.
It will be interesting to see how Force Unleashed and Alone in the dark fare on wii vs on HD consoles.
titiklabingapat
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BTW, Mario Kart is outselling the GTa IVs on amazon.com.
It probably means that MK Wii should have thunder legs similar to either version of GTA IV as well.
It should at least outsell GTA IV for the PS3 next month.
It probably means that MK Wii should have thunder legs similar to either version of GTA IV as well.
It should at least outsell GTA IV for the PS3 next month.
Version 3.0
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Version 3.0
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BlackGoku03 said:
Cool, you should post in the "retail musings" threads. They're interesting (and don't let the haters stop you, it's just discussion, guys). Just be careful not to end up like ioi.
RpgN
Junior Member
Nocebo said:Did you not see the graph a few pages back where it shows that 3rd party software sales are 60% of the total software sales on wii this year?
EDIT: Here it is again.
It will be interesting to see how Force Unleashed and Alone in the dark fare on wii vs on HD consoles.
No I didn't see that, thanks for the graph. It's definitely good. But as I said, they are selling well from different kind of games (=non-games) and typical third party games on the wii (like Call of Duty, GTA4 etc.) can still be a big risk. Nintendo fans suddenly expect developers to release their best games because wii's hardware is doing so well. Developers will try again, this year will probably be another test for third party games.
BrokenSymmetry said:
From what I know of developers this seems to be the case. I mean, in some way I can't blame them. Why would you want to work on lower end hardware if you didn't have to? Those guys seem ready to move on, but the market just isn't going that way. My impression is that they'll fight tooth and nail to keep doing what they're doing.
This is definitely one of the strangest generations ever. I would be real surprised if we started seeing more real AAA Wii games.
RpgN
Junior Member
Nocebo said:
Me too. It's a good start, though I hope they really make some effort and not release them for the sake of cash-in. If these games do well, we'll expect some games. I'm personly more surprised about Monster Hunter 3. That one I didn't see coming.
And wow! I just took a look at the charts. Disappointing hardware for both sony and microsoft. I guess most GTA fans already own a HD console.
Someone find all the NPD numbers and Media-Create numbers for third party shovelware bullshit like that Carnival Games shit and subtract it from the total. Get a hard number for 3rd party games. Didn't Carnival Games sell some ungodly number that made no fucking sense?
Ahem, what I meant was - That graph for third party games on the Wii means fuckall.
Ahem, what I meant was - That graph for third party games on the Wii means fuckall.
MisterHero
Super Member
don't forget gaizschild said:
wiiplay is not a game
Diatribe1974
Member
Well....evidently folks wanted their GTA:IV fix more on the 360 than their PS3. But damn....WTF is up with the Wii? It's like DS'....doesn't everyone have one by now? Jeez. It's a beast. A freakin' beast! At least my PSP put up solid numbers again this month. But where's the software #'s for it too? 
Nocebo said:Did you not see the graph a few pages back where it shows that 3rd party software sales are 60% of the total software sales on wii since last year?
EDIT: Here it is again.
It will be interesting to see how Force Unleashed and Alone in the dark fare on wii vs on HD consoles.
I shall argue that the latter half of the chart is skewed because of Mario and Sonic's success, which primarily comes from the Mario characters despite it being developed and published by Sega in the States. Without that, 3rd party sales is about 50:50.
Eteric Rice
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Will the MGS4 SKU have BC?
Mr. Pointy
Member
Actually, the tax check theory isn't so bad.
The PS360 may do well in May. Though the Wii is going to crack 800k.
The PS360 may do well in May. Though the Wii is going to crack 800k.
Hm shocking numbers. Although I own a Wii i don't like this trend. Really. But, maybe this will be the reason why PS3 and 360 are going to stay for some years. I'm pretty sure Sony and Microsoft want the money but at the moment they have a really hard time.
you know, i have nothing against the wii. I just don't like the fact that 360 and especially PS3 sales are not as good as i want them to be!
shocking numbers. Although I own a Wii i don't like this trend. Really. But, maybe this will be the reason why PS3 and 360 are going to stay for some years. I'm pretty sure Sony and Microsoft want the money but at the moment they have a really hard time.you know, i have nothing against the wii. I just don't like the fact that 360 and especially PS3 sales are not as good as i want them to be!
The thing with (western) third party publishers is that there really hasn't been any Wii-only game developed by an A-list developer. When western third parties start to release quality Wii games and they still don't sell, then we can start to talk. But overall all the top devs have been working on PS3/360.
Also most of those devs and publishers really don't know how to make a game that will appeal to everyone, instead they just continue to make games that will appeal to the hardcore crowd...
Also most of those devs and publishers really don't know how to make a game that will appeal to everyone, instead they just continue to make games that will appeal to the hardcore crowd...
Eteric Rice
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Kagari said:
Really?
Hardware or just software to emulate it?
I haven't been keeping up on this stuff. :|
Blablurn said:Hm
you know, i have nothing against the wii. I just don't like the fact that 360 and especially PS3 sales are not as good as i want them to be!
Damn straight GTA did fuck all even if it was in a small amount of time. :lol
Maybe it would have bumped h/w numbers if it was completely exclusive to either system... I dunno.
This is where they all fall and the solution's pretty easy: do what people expect from you.thorns said:
If you're good at hardcore games, do them on the Wii, but do them with full force, not some half-assed effort. Instead they Nintendify their portfolio or release quick cash-ins. If I want a Nintendified game, I will go for a Nintendo game. Just give Wii owners what Nintendo won't and you'll be a winner.
Captain Smoker
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Remember Wii Play.Pachael said:
Blablurn said:Hm
you know, i have nothing against the wii. I just don't like the fact that 360 and especially PS3 sales are not as good as i want them to be!
Combined they are still selling relatively well considering past generations. I think people just need to look at it as if there is one platform HD (PS3,360,PC) and the Wii. Then you realise there is enought of a market for HD games to make money so their will be resources there and the Wii will get loads of great games too.
The Wii is the future, the 360/PS3 is a dead end. Next gen we will see what changes the Wii has wrought.
I know some people here believe that the Wii is a step backward, but dont forget the two steps forward are next.
Wow, impressive sales for Mario & Sonic for it to sell 17% as much as Nintendo's WHOLE catalogue did in Q3 and Q4.Pachael said:
Even more impressive is that third parties sell so much with such low investments, yet they're doomed to failure on PS360 unless they pour money into their projects because of the high visual and production standards demand by its market.
Wii as a platform for 3rd parties is vastly underrated. If low budget software can sell, what can big budget software sell?
Rhazer Fusion
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Eteric Rice said:
Software to my knowledge. I think the only way to get hardware is if you hunt down a 60 or 20GB PS3.
8-Bit Soul
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dammitmattt said:
Really?
ROTFL, I love You man!!!!
Metal Gear?!
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I'm happy that the company that actually brought something new to gaming - namely motion control and pointer control (which I have been waiting for in consoles forever) plus the first truly ambidextrous controller. HD resolution and better graphics are something I've had on the PC for a while, and paying for online play or $400+ for a console are not things I would ever do anyway.Bastion said:
fresquito said:
Like what?
Seriously when it comes to Nintendo they are the dogs bollocks of gameplay and using the full featureset of the system they built extraordinarily well (Zelda Phantom Hourglass HOT DAMN!!!), your asking third party devs to look at possibilities of what the system can do with complete uncertainty of it working and a deadline.