Vyse The Legend
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Ouch. :lol
Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I guess it's going to be Toki Tori, since it certainly won't be either of the other two.
FFantasyFX
Member
Hmmm . . . this week's releases seem to play into a pet theory I've been mulling in my brain for about a week now - Nintendo of America is gung ho about WiiWare while Nintendo of Europe and Nintendo proper still seem to favor Virtual Console releases. Possibily Nintendo of America view WiiWare as their baby and are concentrating their efforts there (just my impression, but of all the branches, NoA seems most proactive in securing content). I'm really curious to see what the distribution between VC & WiiWare games are on Friday in Europe.
evilromero
Member
Ninja Combat awesome! Okay, maybe not.
evilromero
Member
Where in the hell are the Midway games? Did they ever announce their support?
Ugh, so much for the US starting to get the import titles. I was trying to determine which ones they'd start with, but it's not even happening.
At this rate, Europe will have more available VC games than the US pretty soon. At the end of last year, such a thing would have been laughable.
At this rate, Europe will have more available VC games than the US pretty soon. At the end of last year, such a thing would have been laughable.
AugustDivision
Banned
At what rate? WiiWare has been out for less than a month in both region's and we've already deduced the rate at which VC and WiiWare games will be released in both?RedBoot said:
Seems like a poor approach to analysis.
AugustDivision said:
Uh, what?
The US has 227 VC titles. Europe has 222. That's a difference of five. At the end of last year, the US had a lead of like 30-40 titles, and with Europe's slow release pace at the time, it would have been impossible for them to get close at all.
Now the difference is small, and Europe gets 3-4 titles a week compared to our 1-2. I think it's a pretty clear deduction. The main point to take away from this is that the US's VC release rate sucks compared to the other two territories (which we've known for some time).
FFantasyFX
Member
RedBoot said:
Eh, I agree with your general point that things have currently swung in Europe's favor in regards to the Virtual Console, but 30 - 40 is a bit hyperbolic. At its worst, I think North America was ahead by fifteen, max twenty games.
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Jesus. Could we please do four games a week?
AugustDivision
Banned
handofg0d said:
Posts like these are ridiculous. The overreaction in this thread is staggering.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Good lord what a lousy update.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
AugustDivision said:
SonicMegaDrive
Member
GAF gets Toki Tori.
I really don't see what's that bad about 1 great game a week. That's 52.177 great games per year, more than enough to clean out your fridge several times. I'm not saying I wouldn't appreciate more than one great game (I'd say last week we got two), but the amount of negativity around these parts is blistering.
If Z&W can do it...
I really don't see what's that bad about 1 great game a week. That's 52.177 great games per year, more than enough to clean out your fridge several times. I'm not saying I wouldn't appreciate more than one great game (I'd say last week we got two), but the amount of negativity around these parts is blistering.
birdchili said:
If Z&W can do it...
nincompoop
Banned
Metal Slug, last week?handofg0d said:
Jme
Member
I'll give you Metal Slug but it's not worth buying at that price - you should just get Metal Slug Anthology.
River City Ransom - Ok.
The rest you named aren't my cup of tea.
And here are some numbers to chew on.
We are in June mind you - half way through the year.
Virtual Console Releases in 2008:
NES: 13 (Of which, all but 3 (StarTropics, RCR, Double Dragon) sucked.
SNES: 6, all suck (How many editions of Street Fighter 2 do we need on SNES VC?)
N64: 4- Pac Attack, 1080, Cruisn, PPL - you be the judge
SMS: 1, lol
GEN: 6, 2 of which are OK (PSIII x2)
TG16: 3, 2 of which are extra cost and none of which are worth a purchase
NEO: 3, Metal Slug and crap
GRAND TOTAL: 36 games, 4 of which I would *consider* purchasing.
River City Ransom - Ok.
The rest you named aren't my cup of tea.
And here are some numbers to chew on.
We are in June mind you - half way through the year.
Virtual Console Releases in 2008:
NES: 13 (Of which, all but 3 (StarTropics, RCR, Double Dragon) sucked.
SNES: 6, all suck (How many editions of Street Fighter 2 do we need on SNES VC?)
N64: 4- Pac Attack, 1080, Cruisn, PPL - you be the judge
SMS: 1, lol
GEN: 6, 2 of which are OK (PSIII x2)
TG16: 3, 2 of which are extra cost and none of which are worth a purchase
NEO: 3, Metal Slug and crap
GRAND TOTAL: 36 games, 4 of which I would *consider* purchasing.
DimmuBurgerKing
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handofg0d said:
River City Ransom, Phantasy Star, Metal Slug.. I don't suppose it's possible that maybe your idea of a "qualitygame" might differ from somebody else's, though, right?
Metal Slug Anthology, frankly isn't worth buying, even at it's bargin bin price. I'll gladly take a perfect port, no loading, game selection and CC play, for a few bucks more thanks.handofg0d said:
You're also wrong on your game counts (there's 2 SMS games for example, Pac-Attack's a SNES game, etc). And if you think games like KOF94, Lolo 2 or Harvest Moon "sucked" or "are crap"... well, at least we all know what your opinion's worth now.
nincompoop
Banned
DoReMi fantasy, Super and Mega Turrican, Lolo 2, Ninja Gaiden 3 all "suck"? Lords of Thunder isn't worth 8 bucks? The problem isn't with the Virtual Console, its with your shitty taste.handofg0d said:
AugustDivision
Banned
Oh right, so the virtual console is dead to you?handofg0d said:
Unlearned GAF Lesson #196: Your opinion is not that of everyone else.
I remember playing Ninja Combat in the bowling alley arcade years ago, on their MVS arcade setup (they also had the Neo Geo bowling game in there I remember). Too bad we're back down to 3 games this week, last week was nice with 2 VC games and 2 WiiWare games, was hoping that would be the start of a new trend. Still waiting for my Shining Force 2 
not your cup of tea doesn't make the service suck, just as far as your concerned. The VC has actually had a good number of great releases this year, as many have pointed out. No one is objectively saying the VC has been worthless this year.handofg0d said:
The main discontent is that when the VC service started out, we were getting typically one "AAA" game (or at least "A+" game) every week really. This eventually slowed down to one at least "A+" game every month. And finally slowed down to one to two "B+" games every month or two tops with an occasional high quality asked for title popping up every great once in a while. With WiiWare, this could seriously degenerate even further given NOA's seeming intent on pushing WiiWare as the Wii's premiere and foremost downloadable service.
The discontent is furthered by the fact that there are still TONS of AAA or A+ quality games out there for every system represented on the service. Sure many of them are out of bounds due to licensing or rights issues, but there are still plenty of first party and third party partner titles wholly owned by the publishers that haven't even made a glimpse of rumor or mention on the service. We get Ninja Warriors for the system instead of Pilot Wings?
THOSE are the problems most of us have with the VC. Not that there haven't been any great releases this year (there have been) or that Nintendo has left the service for dead (they haven't). Simply that it is being drastically underutilized and seemingly been given a pretty far behind backseat to NOA's baby, WiiWare. This compared to other territories which are either flourishing with titles (JPN) or at the very least are being given a steady stream of titles with decent interest (PAL).
Coolio McAwesome
Member
Like everyone else, I would love to see games like Earthboud finally show up, but it's a little melodramitic to suggest that the "Virtual Console is dead!"
The Virtual Console is by to means perfect. Still, there is a remarkable number of great games on the service, especially considering it has only been around for 18 months or so. In some ways, it has even exceeded my expectations. I, for one, didn't expect to be playing NEO-GEO or Turbo CD games on the service; nor did I expect games like Sin and Punshment to show up. When the Wii launched, I didn't even think there was a possibilty of a game like Dracula-X being released.
I played through about 30 Virtual Console games thus far, but realize that I haven't even scratched the surface of what's currently available. There are at leats 20-30 great games that I haven't gotten yet. I've barely touched the N64 library, didn't get any of the Ninja Gaiden games, and even overlooked classics like Contra III.
Anyone who's even remotely interested in video games should have no problems finding at least 50 games on the Virtual Console that interest them. I know I've overlooked some great games, and I'm guessing the vast majority of the people complaining in this thread have probably overlooked a lot of great games as well.
With that said, I wish Nintendo would hurry the fuck up and release Super Mario RPG already!
The Virtual Console is by to means perfect. Still, there is a remarkable number of great games on the service, especially considering it has only been around for 18 months or so. In some ways, it has even exceeded my expectations. I, for one, didn't expect to be playing NEO-GEO or Turbo CD games on the service; nor did I expect games like Sin and Punshment to show up. When the Wii launched, I didn't even think there was a possibilty of a game like Dracula-X being released.
I played through about 30 Virtual Console games thus far, but realize that I haven't even scratched the surface of what's currently available. There are at leats 20-30 great games that I haven't gotten yet. I've barely touched the N64 library, didn't get any of the Ninja Gaiden games, and even overlooked classics like Contra III.
Anyone who's even remotely interested in video games should have no problems finding at least 50 games on the Virtual Console that interest them. I know I've overlooked some great games, and I'm guessing the vast majority of the people complaining in this thread have probably overlooked a lot of great games as well.
With that said, I wish Nintendo would hurry the fuck up and release Super Mario RPG already!
Jme
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The fact that every release isn't going to be my cup of tea is a given, obviously, and that goes for everyone. My point (in re-reading my posts it is badly portrayed) was that when we get 1 or 0 releases a week, the probability drops dramatically that I (and most) will give a crap about the game. In my opinion, 2 should be a MINIMUM. I know my posts don't convey that message very well (read: at all) but that's what I was going for with the total number of releases this year... it's a very low number considering we are basically at the midpoint of the year and have less than 52 releases (which would be 2 per week at this point)
My opinion on the titles will differ from everyones, I'm sure. But it really seems like they aren't even trying at this point. At the beginning it seemed like they tried to balance out the crap games no one cared about with at least 1 solid title. Now they just let them fly solo.
My opinion on the titles will differ from everyones, I'm sure. But it really seems like they aren't even trying at this point. At the beginning it seemed like they tried to balance out the crap games no one cared about with at least 1 solid title. Now they just let them fly solo.
AugustDivision
Banned
It doesn't matter to people like you guys though. You'll complain now when the releases are trickling out, and you would complain if they put out 3 or 4 a week and in a couple years they said "sorry we have nothing left."
There isn't a way to please people like the people in this thread.
There isn't a way to please people like the people in this thread.
evilromero
Member
If only it were Ninja Warriors.borghe said:
I just want Nintendo to open the floodgates to Western devs would want to release their back catalog. I want NES Paperboy.
GotchaForce
Member
isnt toki tori supposed to be really good?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
AugustDivision said:
That's not true. I have said since at least March 2007 or so that I'd be in favour of Nintendo adopting a marketplace-catalog-Amazon style attitude where everything is all put up at the exact same time.
Some people say "But who would buy the B-level games!?", and the answer to that is the same people who buy B-level albums and B-level books. You give recommendation tools, "if you like this game, you'd love" tools, more user feedback, you do limited time discounts and featured games of the week. This is the promise of digital distribution; not a slow reliving of 1985-1999 at the speed of Nintendo's discretion.
Recognizing that licencing is genuinely tough and that there are technical restrictions currently preventing this sort of thing, I'd be glad to accept Nintendo adding content as fast as they can. But queueing up releases is not a substitute for proper user interface design and decent content navigation tools.
AugustDivision said:
False. There's alot of games. Way enough to have at least 2 a week for 4-5 years. And if Nintendo would push it more and market the service better, maybe there would be more publishers putting their games there.
If they don't want to miss games, they only need to push their service and give it better marketing.
