Official College Football Thread 2004!
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No, Texas has some extremely rich students.. odds are they payed someone more than they could refuse for them.
The BCS is going to be VERY VERY close... a 10 point win that was in question with only a few minutes to go against a pretty bad team could be at least enough to sway the 5 Texas AP voters to switch Cal and Texas.
Its only going to take 3 voters to move Texas ahead of Cal (maybe less than that, because there is a voter in Bama that has said he is moving Texas up two spots from 7th to 5th).
The BCS is going to be VERY VERY close... a 10 point win that was in question with only a few minutes to go against a pretty bad team could be at least enough to sway the 5 Texas AP voters to switch Cal and Texas.
Its only going to take 3 voters to move Texas ahead of Cal (maybe less than that, because there is a voter in Bama that has said he is moving Texas up two spots from 7th to 5th).
yeah, Im really pissed that I had to sit there and root against a team I really like. I hope Cal's reciever is ok, that guy showed alot of guts by coming back.. Cal's last 5 minutes were really good, but the rest of the game was a very poor showing.
And yeah, that "clipping" call may wind up being the difference. I think a 17 point win would have done it.. what I dont get, is why go for it on 4th down then, but then take a knee the next time around?
FWIW, the Mizzou game was never in question, and Kansas was less than 3 TD's away from being an 8-3 team. They lost ALOT of very close games. But, hey lets not bring up a wide open pass dropped by a horrible Oregon team and a missed extra point that kept you from losing a game AT HOME.
No matter what happens, one team is getting screwed so that we can see Pitt in play Utah. Hurray.
And yeah, that "clipping" call may wind up being the difference. I think a 17 point win would have done it.. what I dont get, is why go for it on 4th down then, but then take a knee the next time around?
FWIW, the Mizzou game was never in question, and Kansas was less than 3 TD's away from being an 8-3 team. They lost ALOT of very close games. But, hey lets not bring up a wide open pass dropped by a horrible Oregon team and a missed extra point that kept you from losing a game AT HOME.
No matter what happens, one team is getting screwed so that we can see Pitt in play Utah. Hurray.
Also, Im not saying Southern miss is a terrible team, but they are pretty bad this year. Earlier in the year they were on a tear, but the last few months have sucked horribly. They lost to TCU 42-17. However, any time a top ranked team goes into a hostile field against a team with nothing to lose, something like this can happen. Just ask TCU last year (who, lets face it, was a pretender who got exposed). They are a talented team that hasnt been playing well as of late.. they had this ability in them, but hadnt been showing it lately.
Had this happened to Cal 2 months ago when it should have, they are in the BCS no question, but the last game of the season in the national spotlight.. so who knows whats gonna happen.
Had this happened to Cal 2 months ago when it should have, they are in the BCS no question, but the last game of the season in the national spotlight.. so who knows whats gonna happen.
FWIW, Aggy seems convinced Texas is going to the Rose bowl (I cant get onto the reputable Texas site with people who have inside info).. a couple things to consider.
1) They are Aggy. Which means they are pretty dumb.
2) They hate Texas, so I dont think they want Texas in the BCS (they love saying we have never been in the BCS).
3) Texas in the BCS moves Aggy up to the Cotton Bowl... this is a better bowl for them, but at the same time they are more likely to lose to Tennesee than Arizona State.
So, you probably shouldnt draw any conclusions based on what they are saying, but they seem pretty convinced.
1) They are Aggy. Which means they are pretty dumb.
2) They hate Texas, so I dont think they want Texas in the BCS (they love saying we have never been in the BCS).
3) Texas in the BCS moves Aggy up to the Cotton Bowl... this is a better bowl for them, but at the same time they are more likely to lose to Tennesee than Arizona State.
So, you probably shouldnt draw any conclusions based on what they are saying, but they seem pretty convinced.
Sirpopopop
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-jinx- said:Look, I KNOW UCLA is mediocre this year -- no wins against ranked teams, although they hung in there well against Cal. I can STILL be pissed off that they can't elevate for even one game.
As for invoking the name of Ron Dayne in ANY context which even SORT OF implies the guy might have any talent, that's just fucking funny.
Need I bring up his stats from the Rose Bowl against you guys?
. He was an awesome college player. Simply stupendous. To even be a good college player, you've got to have loads of talent.
all on TV, sorry no links.
For what its worth, Fox is saying Cal, but they say there is a good chance Texas could slip in there.
Right now the ESPN BCS guru is saying Texas, and he is almost allways right. He should have an article up on the website (same with CNNSI's guy who is normally right as well) but both will be for their 'pay' services until somtime after anyone cares.
For what its worth, Fox is saying Cal, but they say there is a good chance Texas could slip in there.
Right now the ESPN BCS guru is saying Texas, and he is almost allways right. He should have an article up on the website (same with CNNSI's guy who is normally right as well) but both will be for their 'pay' services until somtime after anyone cares.
FWIW, ESPN radio said their info is based on a straw poll they took, and Texas has taken more than enough votes from Cal..
so Cal either needs a jump in the computers (not likely, they would need to jump in TWO computers to make a dent the way they break down) or need some 'strategic' voting in the West Coast. If Texas moves down in any polls tommorow, that will be a complete crock, but it happened last week so who knows.
so Cal either needs a jump in the computers (not likely, they would need to jump in TWO computers to make a dent the way they break down) or need some 'strategic' voting in the West Coast. If Texas moves down in any polls tommorow, that will be a complete crock, but it happened last week so who knows.
CavemanLawyer
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StoOgE said:
1) Yes I'm an Aggie, and I think t.u. should probably be in a BCS game. (it pains me to say that) They are probably one of the top eight teams in the nation if not one of the best ouside the Big 3 (which are pretty much in a league of their own) despite a lot of scares along the way.
2) I think it would be pretty cool to see t.u. in a BCS game. Maybe its because I want to root for the Big 12. Maybe its because a t.u - Michigan matchup would be pretty interesting. Or maybe it is to see Mack Brown lose another big game and then apologize to t.u. fans and answer questions directed toward his QB. I miss Chrissy Simms... Either way enjoy it while it lasts cause with losses to OU and A&M next year, I don't see it happening again next year.
3) I guess you could say most A&M fans would like the Cotton Bowl more, but I was kinda looking foward to a Holiday Bowl road trip. Either way I'll be happy after last year's 4-8 campaign. We'll cut the losses in half again next year.
Either way it sucks that one of the teams will be left out of the NCG and one of the teams will be left out of the BCS.
StoOgE said:
Just to repeat, the BCS system is not designed to play the top 8 teams. Whether it should be or not is a different question. It is designed get the top two teams in the championship, while giving representation to conference champions and two at large teams.
While everyone agrees Pittsburgh is not deserving this year, there is no screwing going on. Everybody knew the big east kept their bid this year, and any dropping of big east bcs bid will play out over next few years if they fail to live up to current or new BCS qualifications.
As for Utah, they are put in a lose lose situation (and Pitt for that matter too). Win versus Pitt, big deal, lose versus Pitt, Utah must of been overrated and not deserving.
As to who deserves the BCS bowl bid (Cal or Texas), it is tough one has to be left out. Cal did not look impressive versus Southern Miss, but they won, and that should not be held against them. Honestly, for some reason this year, I think the pac 10 is overrated (not USC and Cal necessarily). Playing in big 12 south is tougher than playing in pac 10 in my opinion. Ah, I might lean to Texas, but it really is too close to call.
Ninja Scooter
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just think though, if it wasn't for the BCS, NONE of the 3 undefeated teams would be playing eachother, so in that regards, its done its job and its much better than the previous system.
The AP poll is out.. in short, Texas is in the drivers seat.
Cal needs BOTH remaining computer polls to go their way that they could improve in, and they cant fall behing Boise State in the one that they could fall in.. they also need the coach's poll to remain as is.
Or, they could get help in one computer and pick up votes in the coach's poll.
If Texas can pick up just 4 points in the coach's poll, it doesnt matter what the computers do.
Most likely scenario.. Cal might gain in one of the computer polls, but the other is a very outside shot. They likely stay ahead of Boise St. That means Cal would need to have a gain in the coach's poll. Gaining points based on last nights performance doesnt seem likely, but the coachs poll is anonomous, so someone with an agenda could do it.
Cal needs BOTH remaining computer polls to go their way that they could improve in, and they cant fall behing Boise State in the one that they could fall in.. they also need the coach's poll to remain as is.
Or, they could get help in one computer and pick up votes in the coach's poll.
If Texas can pick up just 4 points in the coach's poll, it doesnt matter what the computers do.
Most likely scenario.. Cal might gain in one of the computer polls, but the other is a very outside shot. They likely stay ahead of Boise St. That means Cal would need to have a gain in the coach's poll. Gaining points based on last nights performance doesnt seem likely, but the coachs poll is anonomous, so someone with an agenda could do it.
The BCS is a fucking blister on the ass of college football.
Call me a purist, but the Rose Bowl actually MEANT something when it was Pac-10 vs. Big Ten every year. With all due respect to Texas -- who I'm sure is a fine football club -- I couldn't care less about them, and the fact that Cal likely won't make the Rose Bowl is just sad.
Also, anyone who changes their vote based on margin of victory in one particular game is a moron.
Call me a purist, but the Rose Bowl actually MEANT something when it was Pac-10 vs. Big Ten every year. With all due respect to Texas -- who I'm sure is a fine football club -- I couldn't care less about them, and the fact that Cal likely won't make the Rose Bowl is just sad.
Also, anyone who changes their vote based on margin of victory in one particular game is a moron.
its over. Coach's poll is out, BIG gain for Texas. We are going to Pasedena!
Right now Cal would need to move WAY up on Texas in all the computer polls and have Tex drop .. Texas needed to pick up 8 points in the polls and got 66. Its not even gonne be close.
Right now Cal would need to move WAY up on Texas in all the computer polls and have Tex drop .. Texas needed to pick up 8 points in the polls and got 66. Its not even gonne be close.
ConfusingJazz
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StoOgE said:
Where are you getting this?
ConfusingJazz said:
the polls? go to espn.com or cnnsi. As far as the computer stuff, I've got an XML spreadsheet going that shows me what gains Cal would need to make to pass Texas. It would take the computer anomoly to end all computer anomolies to get Cal in the game.
ConfusingJazz
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Hook 'em HORNS!
Look at our point total in the AP this week: 1337.
Look at our point total in the AP this week: 1337.
Chesapeake Silt
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CavemanLawyer
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That is one of the biggest travesties of this years BCS. It would have been an interesting match-up to see the Utes face off against a Michigan or Texas. But I guess we will never know how good this Utah team is thanks to a crappy match-up against Pittsburgh.
ConfusingJazz
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ConfusingJazz
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Cyan said:
fair enough, they do deserve alot of blame. That said, if the BCS didnt exist you would likely have been contracted by another major bowl.. I would say you would likely be in the Cotton Bowl versus us. Which might not sound that great, but if it were not for the BCS the Cotton Bowl would still be one of the elite bowls. Hell, not 10 years ago the Cotton Bowl was just as presigious as the Rose Bowl.
CavemanLawyer
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I'm camping out in front of Kyle Field for Cotton Bowl tickets as we speak. Whoop!
ConfusingJazz
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CavemanLawyer said:
Aggies....
Don't you guys know about how to buy and sell tickets from the Internet yet?
Chesapeake Silt
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Well, Cal fans can feel good about one thing - Tedford is sticking around.
(That's another one to scratch off the list, ND.)
(That's another one to scratch off the list, ND.)
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