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[DrM]

When is FIA WMSC hearing in 'Felipe, Fernando is faster than you, do you understand?' case? Next week?

 

[avaya]

Raikkonen would have done better than Alonso this year, no doubt. Last year's KERs weight issue saw him with an immediate disadvantage over Massa.

Also the WSMC hearing is on the 8th I believe....can you confirm you understand this message?

 

[olore]

When is FIA WMSC hearing in 'Felipe, Fernando is faster than you, do you understand?' case? Next week?

The hearing is scheduled for the 8th of September, that`s a Wednesday

 

[ExtraKr1spy]

Vettel attack force out in full strength after today's race

Honestly having just watched the race I didn't see anything wrong with either collision and believe there shouldn't have been a penalty. I'll have to go back and watch them again but the Button incident looked like greasy track plus losing it under breaking, nothing intential about it (aka a 'racing incident') Only saw the second coming together once but again at first glance I saw nothing wrong.

Don't really understand the full on attack and strength of the hate he is getting today. Understandable if you don't like him but to say he has no skills is insane.

Vettel didn't do anything wrong. He just spun and Button was unlucky enough to be ahead of him.

Vettel and Webber have skill but when they don't start at the front row and rocket away they make a car that is far and away the best on the grid look average. And when they do start on the front row they make awful starts.

The season has been exciting so far but if you take either the Ferrari pair or Mclaren pair and put them in the Red Bull the WCC would likely have been clinched by now or the next race. There hasn't been a car as dominant as the Red Bull since maybe the F2004 but both titles are still within reach for other teams.

 

[DrM]

We will see what will new floor tests in Monza will bring. Most of the teams will have to modify their floors (Williams already did).

Mclaren should be really good in Monza, that track is made for MP4-25. But after that, twisty Singapore, so they really need new upgrades for high downforce tracks, otherwise Webber can drive into sunset, just needs to keep Vettel as far away from him as he can. Lewis should be praying for several wet races more in this season.

 

[kitch9]

Vettel is very skilled, one of the fastest drivers on the grid, he just couldn't overtake an ice cream truck without causing a collision. I'm not sure if you can develop yourself into a great overtaker this late, but it's certainly something that might keep him from achieving the level of Alonso and Hamilton.

Hamilton is definitely the strongest driver so far this season. Unmatched overtakes, has yet to be overtaken in a duel (excep for that shady Button move), and the only driver not from RBR to achieve pole.

This season is very exciting and it will absolutely come down to coolness in the last 3-4 races. We'll see if Hamilton might have matured enough to handle it.

How the hell can you say the guy is skilled but can't overtake in one statement? Isn't that what motor racing is about?

 

[Tim the Wiz]

Vettel didn't do anything wrong. He just spun and Button was unlucky enough to be ahead of him.

Vettel and Webber have skill but when they don't start at the front row and rocket away they make a car that is far and away the best on the grid look average. And when they do start on the front row they make awful starts.

The season has been exciting so far but if you take either the Ferrari pair or Mclaren pair and put them in the Red Bull the WCC would likely have been clinched by now or the next race. There hasn't been a car as dominant as the Red Bull since maybe the F2004 but both titles are still within reach for other teams.

But what about Webber at Silverstone? And didn't he convert his poles at Monza and Spain pretty well? I don't know, I think that may be a superficial analysis of Webber after one mistake.

 

[magnificent83]

and the only driver not from RBR to achieve pole.

I love Hamilton but the only way he got that pole was to underfuel his car and have to resort to this to get the pole. Kind of makes you understand how good the Redbulls have been in qualifying.

 

[dalin80]

Actually mathematically he would still have got pole even with half a lap extra of fuel and according to mclaren if he had carried on into the pitlane there would have been enough fuel for the FIA test, mclaren were worried that there wouldn't be so told him to stop, in hindsight they didnt need too as lewis had already done pretty much all of the inlap and all he had to do was cruise down the main straight.

 

[John_B]

How the hell can you say the guy is skilled but can't overtake in one statement? Isn't that what motor racing is about?

Formula 1 is about points. The driver with the most points at the end of the season is declared champion. Not every driver is equally strong in all aspects of racing. Vettel is very fast in clear wind, but mediocre when it comes to overtaking.

I love Hamilton but the only way he got that pole was to underfuel his car and have to resort to this to get the pole. Kind of makes you understand how good the Redbulls have been in qualifying.

It should still not have been possible.

 

[navanman]

I love Hamilton but the only way he got that pole was to underfuel his car and have to resort to this to get the pole. Kind of makes you understand how good the Redbulls have been in qualifying.

Even adjusted for fuel correction, Hamilton would still have gotten pole for the Canadian GP.

 

[DieH@rd]

FORCE OF DIEH@RD has ascended to 6th place!

 

[John_B]

Mark Webber - Canberra Milk Commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEq1MTjal7g

That shit is hilarious.

 

[Pterion]

This is clearly Webber's championship to lose. I can't see him getting a better chance next year, unless RBR is even more dominant.

 

[navanman]

Mark Webber - Canberra Milk Commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEq1MTjal7g

That shit is hilarious.

How on earth did you find that?
Is it a real commercial or for charity or something?

 

[Lucius86]

I forgot to do upgrades and bets for my team - so the fact I am still 28th pleases me.

 

[navanman]

NeoGAF league were joint top scorers in Spa and extended out lead of AtlasF1 at the top of overall league.

Well done team, don't fuck up on me yet!

 

[S. L.]

NeoGAF league were joint top scorers in Spa and extended out lead of AtlasF1 at the top of overall league.

Well done team, don't fuck up on me yet!

with our team of professional experts this is a cakewalk :lol

 

[Lucius86]

with our team of professional experts this is a cakewalk :lol

SL, you going to change your team next week from your super Red Bull all stars to suit the maccas???

 

[navanman]

Very interesting Youtube video of Vettel, Button crash.

Look at Vettels front wing when he is in Buttons slip stream. Its flexing wildly from side to side, could explain his loss of downforce, grip when lost control of his car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHwQP_0YRdk

 

[SealSqueal]

How on earth did you find that?
Is it a real commercial or for charity or something?

Oh it's real alright, we have quality ads in Canberra as you can see..he's from Queanbeyan which borders Canberra.

 

[S. L.]

SL, you going to change your team next week from your super Red Bull all stars to suit the maccas???

maybe, will wait for the training. But swapping one of the drivers for Hammy doesn't seem like such a bad idea atm

 

[kitch9]

Formula 1 is about points. The driver with the most points at the end of the season is declared champion. Not every driver is equally strong in all aspects of racing. Vettel is very fast in clear wind, but mediocre when it comes to overtaking.


It should still not have been possible.

Put any of the drivers in a fast car and they'll all be able to drive it fast.

 

[moojito]

Put any of the drivers in a fast car and they'll all be able to drive it fast.

Massa's temporary replacements last year would disagree!

 

[Tim the Wiz]

Put any of the drivers in a fast car and they'll all be able to drive it fast.

Vettel: good driver, mediocre racer. Is that what you're saying?

 

[Pimpwerx]

I fell asleep at the wheel this weekend, but I'll be prepped for the last 6 races of the season. I got some changes to make. PEACE.

 

[JediMasterMatt]

Very interesting Youtube video of Vettel, Button crash.

Look at Vettels front wing when he is in Buttons slip stream. Its flexing wildly from side to side, could explain his loss of downforce, grip when lost control of his car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHwQP_0YRdk

Jeebus... they should use that wing as a new Bowflex weight training system.

 

[Steppenwolf]

Very interesting Youtube video of Vettel, Button crash.

Look at Vettels front wing when he is in Buttons slip stream. Its flexing wildly from side to side, could explain his loss of downforce, grip when lost control of his car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHwQP_0YRdk

Interesting indeed. I also noticed in Hungary that everytime when Vettel tried to stay close to Alonso in the last corner the car immediately looked very unstable.

 

[ExtraKr1spy]

Put any of the drivers in a fast car and they'll all be able to drive it fast.

Well yeah.

But it'll also expose deficiencies like Vettels ability to pass. He had a car 1.5s faster than the rest of the field and he couldn't get by Alonso. I know Hungraroring is a tough place to pass but when he was trying to force Alonso into a mistake the SpeedTV commentators mentioned that of the two Vettels more likely to make the mistake and go off a turn(choke). Few laps later he did. Mark Webber is also similar.

Massa's temporary replacements last year would disagree!

Yep. Great drivers making a turd of a car look good. I can understand Badoer struggling with the car since he hadn't raced in a long time but Fisi had been racing all season until his jump to Ferrari. Massa and Kimi(especially) got the most out that car.

 

[Shaneus]

Well yeah.

But it'll also expose deficiencies like Vettels ability to pass. He had a car 1.5s faster than the rest of the field and he couldn't get by Alonso. I know Hungraroring is a tough place to pass but when he was trying to force Alonso into a mistake the SpeedTV commentators mentioned that of the two Vettels more likely to make the mistake and go off a turn(choke). Few laps later he did. Mark Webber is also similar.

How's Webber similar? I know I'm a fanboy but he's driven consistently cleaner than Vettel ever has and nowhere near as aggressive or inconsiderate.

 

[Dilly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfyHfXhYeBQ&feature=player_embedded

Why didn't Massa get penalised for this?

 

[Shaneus]

I think I was watching the BBC telecast (in Australia on free-to-air, it's on a station called One) and Brundle said the same thing. It's a wonder he didn't get penalised for it.

 

[Templar Wizard]

How's Webber similar? I know I'm a fanboy but he's driven consistently cleaner than Vettel ever has and nowhere near as aggressive or inconsiderate.

Mark has been a bit ragged now and again, australia being the number 1 example. In fact they all have had their off days.
as much as i hate to say it, Hammy is the one looking the most composed.
all that may change post monza.

 

[Deadman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfyHfXhYeBQ&feature=player_embedded

Why didn't Massa get penalised for this?

They are usually reasonably lenient when it comes to missing your grid slot as its hard/impossible to see where your tyres are in relation to the line. Although in this case he is very over the line.

I think mostly they only care if you jump the start.

 

[mrklaw]

maybe, will wait for the training. But swapping one of the drivers for Hammy doesn't seem like such a bad idea atm

you have so much spare cash you can afford to swap for one race and still afford to swap back for the final races? (presumably you'd want to be on a heavily RBR setup after monza)

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

I love how Whiting can notice perfectly Alonso starting a blink of an eye before red went down but he can't notice Massa being a good while over his line for like half a minute.

Not even an investigation later on.

 

[megateto]

I love how Whiting can notice perfectly Alonso starting a blink of an eye before red went down but he can't notice Massa being a good while over his line for like half a minute.

Not even an investigation later on.

Nor a notice...

 

[S. L.]

you have so much spare cash you can afford to swap for one race and still afford to swap back for the final races? (presumably you'd want to be on a heavily RBR setup after monza)

my warchest is easily big enough to switch everything to McL and then Back to RBR after Monza :lol :lol

 

[mrklaw]

fuck. and I'm stuck here with Kovalainen

 

[Dilly]

Renault wants to buy the majority of the shares of the Renault F1 team back.

 

[kitch9]

Vettel: good driver, mediocre racer. Is that what you're saying?

Average driver, diabolical racer.

He can't handle the pressure and twitches on the steering wheel more than Michael J Fox......

 

[Templar Wizard]

when 2 tracks are better than 1...

or 3??

spain, monza, silverstain?

with some canada?

WTF

 

[navanman]

Renault wants to buy the majority of the shares of the Renault F1 team back.

Thats crazy!
Last year, Renault was doing crap, we are pulling out of F1, sells majority stake.
This year, Renault is doing great, lets buy back into the team and fund it properly.

 

[DrM]

More and more indications that Mercedes tweaked engines in Mclaren to use igntion trick in the race

 

[Shaneus]

What's this "ignition trick"? I must have missed something.

 

[DrM]

What's this "ignition trick"? I must have missed something.

Read this on ScarbsF1 blog

 

[Gavarms]

3D image of proposed Austin track

 

[Igo]

More and more indications that Mercedes tweaked engines in Mclaren to use igntion trick in the race

So how long till the Mercedes works team employs this on their cars? I gather there's no way McLaren could pull that off without all the information going both ways is there?

 

[Dead Man]

 

[DrM]

^^^:lol :lol :lol

So how long till the Mercedes works team employs this on their cars? I gather there's no way McLaren could pull that off without all the information going both ways is there?

Well, Mercedes team cannot win the title, so the only way for Mercedes-Benz is to help Mclaren as much as they can with engines.