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Official Iwata Keynote Thread
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KyotoMecca
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BorkBork said:
Yes, it is just as well Kikizo has also posted the video.
http://games.kikizo.com/news/200503/049.asp
Free, obviously
krypt0nian
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Since we're at 9 pages now:
Is there a transcript/vid of Iwata's speech yet?
Is there a transcript/vid of Iwata's speech yet?
I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but i thought the official word from nintendo was that they would only begin online gaming if it was profitable and how do you make it profitable by offering it free? I'm not complaing about free online but that seems like a conflict of intests to me. I can't wait for zelda though!!
KeithFranklin
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What you didnt think Revolution would be "Next gen graphics"?
Isnt GCN online and free (Just Nintendo doesnt make games for it or try to help others to).
Didn't you already know it was IBM/ATI? So now we have code names.
Didnt we already know DS was Wi-Fi enabled? Isnt this a non-event with PSP also Wi-Fi enabled.
Honestly Zelda looks pretty, but for a Developers conference talk the content released about the talk is lame at best.
WrathOfOtaibah
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Awesome. Now I won't have to buy a GC, I'll just get the games on Revolution.
KeithFranklin said:
No, "lame" would have been the same old Nintendo bullshit lines like "technology is unimportant" and "online isn't profitable."
This is Nintendo confirming all of the rumors and speculation behind the system that we've heard through the grapevine, so yeah, there's nothing shocking. But remember that router-friendly DS play was highly suspect a month ago, and it's this conference talk that finally confirmed it (indirectly, because of leaks).
And he wasn't checking off his own doubts, but what these "hater" fellows like you say.
TekunoRobby
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quin said:
Who knows for certain but Nintendo, after studying it for quite a while, probably realized that you could make it profitable under different circumstances.
Supporting and promoting online versus not doing it might decrease profits considering their competitors plan on supporting it, thus attracting more customers to them. In a way you can argue that it would be more profitable for Nintendo to provide the cheapest and easiest solution through free Wi-Fi (in theory of course) instead of waiting until there's a solid profitable business model down the road while their competitors reap the benefits now.
Outdoor Miner
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KeithFranklin said:
Amen. Thank you for being sane here Keith.
Really surprised by the reactions here (well not really). Zelda is mind-blowing, but not a goddamn other thing was noteworthy.
OMG the chips have names!!! Broadway/Hollywood WOWZERS. DS has WiFi? MEGAT0N! Online DS games? Never woulda imagined it.
Fucking fanboys.
Sal Paradise Jr said:
The fanboys aren't excited by the newsworthiness of what was said, it's how it was said. This coupled with Reggie means Nintendo is putting forward a new tone for the generation, one that isn't certain to d00m them like the old one would have.
You'd be excited to if you just witnessed your favorite person finally pull its head out of its ass after two years.
Sal Paradise Jr said:
It was about reassurance. A couple of things are surprising in particular:
a) this will be nintendo's first backwards compatible home console
b) it'll likely be online out of the box
c) they're on track to release with the competition, not after
The combination of these things, plus a forceful reminder of old-school Nintendo quality (Zelda) = a lot of happy people. If you're not happy, well I can't do much about that. Something tells me that won't rain on Nintendo's parade right now.
TekunoRobby
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I dunno, I thought the chip names were pretty funny. Like how Nintendo had envisioned the GameCube hardware to be a dolphin jumping over something with the naming and placement of the chips (flipper, etc). Somewhere along those lines.
If you aren't interested in the games or platform then this Keynote speech will do absolutely nothing for you. REMEMBER this is the GDC, not E3.
If you aren't interested in the games or platform then this Keynote speech will do absolutely nothing for you. REMEMBER this is the GDC, not E3.
Smiles and Cries
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Sal Paradise Jr said:
protect the hive? meh
krypt0nian
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gravity0 said:
Cheers!
Outdoor Miner
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gofreak said:
Like I said, Zelda rocks. WiFi on Rev out-of-the-box is a super promising feature, but I'm waiting to see how that'll be implemented and supported.
I'm certainly excited about those things, but it's comments from people raving about completely worthless crap like the chip codenames that just sours me. Where are the specs showing the Rev being toe-to-toe with PS3 and Xenon? Are people just taking the "next-generation" comment to indicate that? It just seems to me Nintendo is afforded no skepticism.
Nintendo's back for you guys, great. I'ma wait a bit longer before proclaiming such things.
Sal Paradise Jr said:
Oh, lord. My head hurts.
Pre-announcement: "NINTENDO IS SO LAME, THEY WILL NEVER GO ONLINE, REGGIES OFFICIALLY SAID IT'S A FAD UNTIL AT LEAST 2045, NINTENDO IS SO HILARIOUSLY DUMB THEY THINK ONLINE IS SPANISH FOR ONION, HO HO STUPID FANBOYS"
Post-announcement: "WELL GUH-DUHHHH, ISN'T IT OBVIOUS NINTENDO WAS GOING TO GO ONLINE, EVERYBODY KNEW THAT, I KNEW SINCE WHEN DINOSAURS EATED THE RAPTORS, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS NON-NEWS, HO HO STUPID FANBOYS"
It's the ultimate paradox: who's the bigger fanboy? The person extremely excited about news, or the person who makes fun of the person who's extremely excited about news?
Eventually it goes into an infinite feedback loop that, sadly, causes the universe to implode.
-Cabel
Sal Paradise Jr said:
Just because Nintendo isn't going to put a press release out every other Tuesday reminding you of how awesome it's new "CELL 3ghz core processor" is going to be, doesn't mean it'll probably be pretty competently similar.
Drop your obsession with numbers for a minute and just remember that IBM is behind all three system's chips and ATI is behind two of them. Unless one department is being sabotaged, it's a safe bet that everything's going to look nice and similar.
The assumption should be that graphics will look competitive. You shouldn't NEED proof of it this early, given the situation. What difference will it make before a single dev kit goes out?
(and yes, i'm aware nintendo could raise hype by putting out the numbers, but I really feel like that's beside the point here.)
KeithFranklin
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SantaCruZer said:
At E3 yes it is but not at GDC. Why do a bunch of developers (I mean the people that really do the work) care about BC. Does it effect how they code for the Revolution?
Outdoor Miner
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cabel said:
It's funny you bring up Reggie, because my reaction to that whole thing was similar.
I prefer the term "sourboy" if we're applying labels here. I guess I'm not one to go gaga over this type of thing. *shrugs*
Date of Lies
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glad to see such positive and light-headed comments, makes you think nintendo is no longer the underdog.Sal Paradise Jr said:
Outdoor Miner
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I guess I'll take this opportunity to bow out. I don't have the time or desire to defend my previous comments. Sorry if I offended anyone, but I'm seriously not trying to troll here.
I guess my only regret is that I cannot feel as excited about this news as some of you.
My original language may have been harsh (fucking fanboys), so for that I ask your forgiveness.
*retreats to lurking*
I guess my only regret is that I cannot feel as excited about this news as some of you.
My original language may have been harsh (fucking fanboys), so for that I ask your forgiveness.
*retreats to lurking*
KeithFranklin said:
What?
I can't speak for the developers in that room, but that kind of news will be exciting for those of us outside :lol You're now saying it's not exciting news because it didn't match the target audience at GDC? Well, guess what, the actual audience is larger than that (i.e. all of us).
So now the format of the event takes precedence in placing significance rather than the information itself? You're one greasy motherfucker Kieth!KeithFranklin said:
Sal, it's clear why's everyone's getting excited. Nintendo's done a very public reversal here. They're actively moving into online gaming, they're confirming a commitment to a competitive next generation platform... sure in terms of concerete announcements there wasn't much really (chip names, WiFi, Animal Crossing DS online), but this reaction comes more from a shift in philosphies than a devulging of specififcs. At the least it blows away Allard's "HD vision" fluff.Sal Paradise Jr said:
Outdoor Miner
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jarrod said:
Thanks for that great response, I guess the pictures a bit clearer now. I'll agree that it beats MS' non-event yesterday. I guess it's just frustrating to not get any real specifics on anything from GDC really. E3 will truly be this years battleground.
Amir0x said:
Why should that impact your judgement? I mean, from what has been announced today, they seem to be offering the same as Sony as Microsoft, the next generation system that now includes online out of the box. Even if the "innovation" is a throw-away idea, they'll at least now be on the same level. Sorta.
Also, I remember reading in an interview with EA, that the guy said that all three systems would act as wireless hubs next gen. This is Nintendo, I'm thinking that they'll want the Revolution to be as easy as can be to get hooked to the Internet. Since they target the younger age range, I'm hoping that they won't make them go out and buy a wireless hub/router.
KeithFranklin said:
It offers publishers the choice to offer a single game that can run on both platforms. With the ultra-high costs speculated for development on next-gen games, it offers a way for developers who already own GC development kits to throw together some games for the older platform, that are playable on the new plaform.
They're trying to offer the PS1-PS2 switcheroo, where games were still coming out for PS1 long after the PS2 released.
Also, if the rumours are true, and the GBA2 has something to do with a portable Cube, then they win again.
Laurent said:
heh, yea.
Between not-so-hot low polygon enemies and stiff N64-era animation (cat running, swimming, the fighting vs. the spider) I can't really see anything to get excited about. Zelda is awesome, awesome is zelda but unlike WW which right off the bat showed it was doing something 'new', this just looks like OOT but with better graphics. Hopefully they have some really gameplay innovations and it's not just "oh look you can hit people while on a horse!".
This is their huge budget big game for 2005, why can't they spend the $$$ and get some people to smooth out their choppy animations.
KeithFranklin said:
- Yes, I knew that. It was the other "factions" that would have you believe otherwise.
- Cube wasn't online out of the box. Nintendo never said they'd make online games. Now they are.
- Yes, I knew. Other "factions" thought they'd go with NEC because IBM moved to the Xbox2 camp.
- Exactly, this is a Game Developer's conference. You know, the ones who make the games that sell systems. They're just letting them know that they'll be competitive next gen by offering everything they lacked this gen.
Spike said:
I hear ya. It seems now more like a "and" thing rather than "either/or"...
My overall impression is this: This is great news. Nintendo said all the right things today. It was a fantastic and surprising start. I emphasise start because there remains the possibility that the devil will be in the detail - and no doubt they won't please everyone. They can't, no company can. It's possible some people won't like their approach to their online network. Or will scoff at the medium choice. Or that third parties won't embrace the system. All of these things are possibilities, for sure. But right now, there's no reason to expect that they will be the case. For forgive me if, for now, I'm just a little optimistic about how Revolution will turn out
KeithFranklin
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OK I havent read a transcript yet, is there one yet? But according to the PR nothing says that Nintendo is going to truly support online play, no talk of grandiose plans, nothing, nothing, nothing. The GDC is to talk about the future not the past and BC is all about the past. The publishers arent going to go great lets make more GCN games because it is BC (Except the discount publishers) and they arent going to want to create revolution games because GCN games will play on the revolution. I swear you guys shine every turd Nintendo throws at you and to think 4 years ago I was just like you.
KeithFranklin said:
According to PGC, Iwata tied Wifi to Nintendo's future, generally. You need to make the link between what they're doing with DS now, and the inclusion of wifi support out-of-the-box with Revolution.
But yes, transcripts will certainly be nice, and moreover, video. What's taking so long?
KeithFranklin
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Cruel Bastard Mario said:
They arent saying anything that is different then GCN. Being able to access the internet is not creating a network. Did they talk at all to developers about how they will provide a service? Nope. Sounds a great deal like now.
Well, you have to be aware enough to pick up on the shift in language here. Again, this isn't about the specifics. There's a fundmental turn about here though, I'm surprised you missed it.KeithFranklin said:
Yes, because things went so horribly wrong for PlayStation and Game Boy.KeithFranklin said:
If this isn't premptive damage control, I don't know what is. It's really too bad Microsoft's essentially handing this advantage to the competition. Next we just need Nintendo to confirm a HD media solution too.
Coherent and logical. Perish the thought!KeithFranklin said:
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