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[FrenchMovieTheme]

if i was just holding Y every play or if i was actually using it to abuse some unknown exploit why would i even admit it?

when i say "Y" is the best manual defender its because you can easily switch while the ball is in the air and hold Y for the pick if the guy is right there. i still actually like ballhawk in that instance because it eliminates the bullshit rocket catch that has plagued the game but i guess brings about a new problem. it's hard to argue that most of the picks shouldn't be picks anyways.

and i especially like CB whining when he is the one abusing the CPU and others for 12 picks a game. rogers cromartie has almost as many int's (14) and my top 4 CB's combined!

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

wait this hasn't been tested yet? lulz

i'm going to test it out right now in my practice game anyways. maybe i'll record some video!

 

[Sanjuro]

and i especially like CB whining when he is the one abusing the CPU and others for 12 picks a game. rogers cromartie has almost as many int's (14) and my top 4 CB's combined!

I actually had a pretty decent game against CB today. Once the lag hit, I just fed him interceptions.

 

[LJ11]

Man, you haven't even tested it out yet?

I've seen it in action, have I sat there and run plays to death in practice mode, no, but it's there. Seen Byrd go from playing a hook zone to following a receiver 40 yards downfield courtesy of the Y button.

I'm with you Wellie, initially I was pretty peeved but I think other factors contributed to that. I don't think many are exploiting on purpose anyway, good for everyone to know though, I think so anyway.

Edit I've got a shiload of video evidence if you want it, but then the drama bomb will explode all over this thread....hahahaha

 

[CB3]

and i especially like CB whining when he is the one abusing the CPU and others for 12 picks a game. rogers cromartie has almost as many int's (14) and my top 4 CB's combined!

I dont control the QB's who throw to DRC. And im not holding Y to get his picks, either. Suck it down, cheater.

 

[LJ11]

Also, I lost the Super Bowl because FMT snaked me twice, I want a fucking do over!

 

[CB3]

Time to vacate wins, NCAA style!

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

I dont control the QB's who throw to DRC. And im not holding Y to get his picks, either. Suck it down, cheater.

uh huh

p.s.

ran 5 plays on defense without ever touching the Y button at all (this is in CCM practice mode):

5 without:
1. run play... i don't notice anything out of the ordinary
2. another run player. again, i replayed it and see nothing out of the ordinary
3. pass play out of 3 wides. CPU QB sits and sits in the pocket, no one open, eventually throws it deep to the WR on the right who is tightly covered and the ball is picked by the safety
4. Draw play out of 3 wide, rb tackled after a gain of 5. dont see anything weird on the coverage
5. twins formation. the inside WR covered by rogers and the wr is running an out and up. wr has a yard or two on rogers, QB throws it and it floats for a pick


now i'll run 5 plays while holding Y at the snap

 

[Rorschach]

Whatever, I like this game, I like the XP aspect of it, I like that we finally have a fully fledged franchise mode, and I like the chess matches I get with some of you guys. This BS hurts none of that.

But just to add fuel to the fire, I've thrown 21 picks this year with Bradford. In my four losses, I've thrown 18 of them. 6 against FMT and Ramirez, 5 against DM, and 1 against Levious. In 7 games I threw 4 picks.

Arrest these cheaters.

Except it's less of a chess match and more of a hold Y match. Deep balls don't even matter anymore because people will just Y them. It's as if DBs have eyes on the back of their heads again and they rocketpack everything. So, you can just ignore that aspect of someone's game and focus on other things.

 

[Sokantish]

uh huh

p.s.

ran 5 plays on defense without ever touching the Y button at all (this is in CCM practice mode):

now i'll run 5 plays while holding Y at the snap

Both passes ended up with INTs? How come my AI doesn't do stuff like that

 

[Splat]

uh huh

p.s.

ran 5 plays on defense without ever touching the Y button at all (this is in CCM practice mode):

5 without:
1. run play... i don't notice anything out of the ordinary
2. another run player. again, i replayed it and see nothing out of the ordinary
3. pass play out of 3 wides. CPU QB sits and sits in the pocket, no one open, eventually throws it deep to the WR on the right who is tightly covered and the ball is picked by the safety
4. Draw play out of 3 wide, rb tackled after a gain of 5. dont see anything weird on the coverage
5. twins formation. the inside WR covered by rogers and the wr is running an out and up. wr has a yard or two on rogers, QB throws it and it floats for a pick


now i'll run 5 plays while holding Y at the snap

This is terrible testing methodology. Run 3 wide flood vs 2 man 20x w/ no inputs, 20x w/ Y held, compare results. Need that much at least. Need 2 people together to test it, though.

 

[Rorschach]

uh huh

p.s.

ran 5 plays on defense without ever touching the Y button at all (this is in CCM practice mode):

5 without:
1. run play... i don't notice anything out of the ordinary
2. another run player. again, i replayed it and see nothing out of the ordinary
3. pass play out of 3 wides. CPU QB sits and sits in the pocket, no one open, eventually throws it deep to the WR on the right who is tightly covered and the ball is picked by the safety
4. Draw play out of 3 wide, rb tackled after a gain of 5. dont see anything weird on the coverage
5. twins formation. the inside WR covered by rogers and the wr is running an out and up. wr has a yard or two on rogers, QB throws it and it floats for a pick


now i'll run 5 plays while holding Y at the snap

This is real scientific!








Someone help me test this out player vs player right now or after my game with daw.

 

[Sokantish]

Rors I will help you, I love helping.

 

[CB3]

uh huh

p.s.

ran 5 plays on defense without ever touching the Y button at all (this is in CCM practice mode):

5 without:
1. run play... i don't notice anything out of the ordinary
2. another run player. again, i replayed it and see nothing out of the ordinary
3. pass play out of 3 wides. CPU QB sits and sits in the pocket, no one open, eventually throws it deep to the WR on the right who is tightly covered and the ball is picked by the safety
4. Draw play out of 3 wide, rb tackled after a gain of 5. dont see anything weird on the coverage
5. twins formation. the inside WR covered by rogers and the wr is running an out and up. wr has a yard or two on rogers, QB throws it and it floats for a pick


now i'll run 5 plays while holding Y at the snap

lololol FIVE plays against the CPU with all those variables is supposed to be evidence one way or another?

Coming from the accused, too?

 

[Rorschach]

Rors I will help you, I love helping.

Bring your mic, biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!


I mean thank you.

 

[Mrbob]

Except it's less of a chess match and more of a hold Y match. Deep balls don't even matter anymore because people will just Y them. It's as if DBs have eyes on the back of their heads again and they rocketpack everything. So, you can just ignore that aspect of someone's game and focus on other things.

Yeah, this happened in my game against the Saints. Cover one, safety not even close to the ball. Hester wide open deep. This normally would be a TD or long completion, right? Nope. The safety made up almost 15 yards and caught up to Hester and made a leaping catch right in front of him for the int. I saw control of the safety being made and then perfect angle to the ball in a straight diagonal line. Y to win is too powerful.

Game sucks.

Edit: I'm not saying this because I think Birdles is a cheeser. I know he isn't. Just how stupid the logic is in the game.

 

[Sokantish]

Bring your mic, biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!


I mean thank you.

Nevermind, no need to test. AI just did two HB draws and none of my dudes even got an INT with me holding down Y. Case closed!

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

holding Y the entire time from the snap:

1. a 5 yard run. didn't notice anything weird. RB ran into soapoaga (DT)
2. no gain, run to the left. just smith pancakes the LT for the tackle
3. 3 wide against nickle 2 man deep. the TE is on the left and runs an out and in route. i was controlling pwill, bowman was covering the TE. bites on the TE going outside and the TE is open by a good 5 yards in the middle for a 20 yard gain
4. CPU running hurry up with the same formations as last play, the TE that bowman is covering runs a slant which is open but the CPU doesn't throw it. CPU holds the ball for a good 5 seconds, chucks the ball deep down the left into double coverage for incomplete pass. i looked at the slot WR and about 40 yards downfield the slot CB stops and the WR is open by 3 or 4 yards but the CPU throws it to the other wr
5. 3 wides again, and im using 2 man deep. CPU holds the ball for about 4 seconds and everyone is tightly covered. the TE briefly breaks open on an out pattern against willis but it would have been a very tight throw. CPU gets sacked by ahmad brooks after he pancakes the RT and the rb doesn't block him. i looked at both outside WR's who get bumped at the onset and then have a couple yards on both my CB's but they end up running comeback routes

10 plays isn't enough to say anything but i just dont know what i'm looking for

 

[BigAT]

uh huh

p.s.

ran 5 plays on defense without ever touching the Y button at all (this is in CCM practice mode):

5 without:
1. run play... i don't notice anything out of the ordinary
2. another run player. again, i replayed it and see nothing out of the ordinary
3. pass play out of 3 wides. CPU QB sits and sits in the pocket, no one open, eventually throws it deep to the WR on the right who is tightly covered and the ball is picked by the safety
4. Draw play out of 3 wide, rb tackled after a gain of 5. dont see anything weird on the coverage
5. twins formation. the inside WR covered by rogers and the wr is running an out and up. wr has a yard or two on rogers, QB throws it and it floats for a pick


now i'll run 5 plays while holding Y at the snap

Science!

 

[Sanjuro]

holding Y the entire time from the snap:

1. a 5 yard run. didn't notice anything weird. RB ran into soapoaga (DT)
2. no gain, run to the left. just smith pancakes the LT for the tackle
3. 3 wide against nickle 2 man deep. the TE is on the left and runs an out and in route. i was controlling pwill, bowman was covering the TE. bites on the TE going outside and the TE is open by a good 5 yards in the middle for a 20 yard gain
4. CPU running hurry up with the same formations as last play, the TE that bowman is covering runs a slant which is open but the CPU doesn't throw it. CPU holds the ball for a good 5 seconds, chucks the ball deep down the left into double coverage for incomplete pass. i looked at the slot WR and about 40 yards downfield the slot CB stops and the WR is open by 3 or 4 yards but the CPU throws it to the other wr
5. 3 wides again, and im using 2 man deep. CPU holds the ball for about 4 seconds and everyone is tightly covered. the TE briefly breaks open on an out pattern against willis but it would have been a very tight throw. CPU gets sacked by ahmad brooks after he pancakes the RT and the rb doesn't block him. i looked at both outside WR's who get bumped at the onset and then have a couple yards on both my CB's but they end up running comeback routes

10 plays isn't enough to say anything but i just dont know what i'm looking for

Keep experimenting. Tell me how to use it properly afterward.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

lololol FIVE plays against the CPU with all those variables is supposed to be evidence one way or another?

Coming from the accused, too?

accused of what? i don't hold Y down on every play. and its obviously not very scientific but i needed to do my practice anyways and thought i'd test it out. jesus christ you have a stick up your ass today

 

[Sanjuro]

So, you just pick a player and hold down Y? That's it?

 

[levious]

Man, you haven't even tested it out yet?

Yeah, if you haven't tested it and just observed it, how do you know what was triggered by Y?

 

[LJ11]

Practice mode behaves different as well, notice how all your guys get pancakes on run plays but in the actual game they don't do shit.

If you want to see it in action really easily, put a safety in a hook zone, hold the y button and watch his behavior. Byrd is was doing insane shit at times.

Edit: you guys are taking me for some sort of fool, whatever, let's just ignore it and move on.

 

[Mrbob]

So, you just pick a player and hold down Y? That's it?

It'll take the best route to track you towards the ball, yes.

 

[eznark]

I believed in you birdman

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Practice mode behaves different as well, notice how all your guys get pancakes on run plays but in the actual game they don't do shit.

If you want to see it in action really easily, put a safety in a hook zone, hold the y button and watch his behavior. Byrd is was doing insane shit at times.

Edit: you guys are taking me for some sort of fool, whatever, let's just ignore it and move on.

well if practice mode acts different then i wasted my time watching the replays

what exactly am i looking for? if you hold Y with a guy does it make that guy do insane things or are you saying your entire defense improves?

 

[LJ11]

well if practice mode acts different then i wasted my time watching the replays

what exactly am i looking for? if you hold Y with a guy does it make that guy do insane things or are you saying your entire defense improves?

they'll all go for the ball, doesn't matter who you control. you ever see a DB run at wr with his hands up and face guard him? well your ass is probably getting ballhawked.

whatever, we've had enough of this discussion.

 

[levious]

Practice mode behaves different as well, notice how all your guys get pancakes on run plays but in the actual game they don't do shit.

If you want to see it in action really easily, put a safety in a hook zone, hold the y button and watch his behavior. Byrd is was doing insane shit at times.

Edit: you guys are taking me for some sort of fool, whatever, let's just ignore it and move on.

My question was genuine. I would think offline practice mode would be best to test. Set the cpu to run the same pass play against you (preferably with out routes) over and over.


I'm getting online now gcq!

 

[Ferny]

Nightz i'll be on Steam if you need to hit me up or PM me on here. I'm ready to go now if you are.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

they'll all go for the ball, doesn't matter who you control. you ever see a DB run at wr with his hands up and face guard him? well your ass is probably getting ballhawked.

whatever, we've had enough of this discussion.

doesn't help that CCM has no replay in human games but i'll take your word for it. doesn't change anything for me, but i'm sure when i continue to have the same defensive numbers CB will come up with another excuse for me winning and him being a career loser

 

[CB3]

Why so angry, friend?

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Why so angry, friend?

aint mad borham but you like to talk shit when it suits your agenda

 

[CB3]

My only agenda is fairness and equality for everyone!

 

[LJ11]

My question was genuine. I would think offline practice mode would be best to test. Set the cpu to run the same pass play against you (preferably with out routes) over and over.


I'm getting online now gcq!

Yeah, I know it was, I don't want to come off as a dick. I think storybook nailed the description, makes it hard on weaker armed QBs and it's also trouble in tight formations because a CB will peel of his man and attack the wide receiver, so if they're bunched it's trouble.

doesn't help that CCM has no replay in human games but i'll take your word for it. doesn't change anything for me, but i'm sure when i continue to have the same defensive numbers CB will come up with another excuse for me winning and him being a career loser

It's there, it's just not 100% noticeable right off the bat, lots of variables involved which is why it took a while for me to even notice and to be honest a video is what really caught my eye. As a player it's harder to pick up on, but when you're just observing things tend to stand out and leave a lasting imprint.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

My only agenda is fairness and equality for everyone!

now that the secret to my success has been exposed i will go on a 6 game losing streak. you foiled me again

 

[eznark]

Why didn't you leak to this video right away then hmmmmmmmm? What's you agenda LJ???

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Why didn't you leak to this video right away then hmmmmmmmm? What's you agenda LJ???

what's your agenda questioning his agenda?

ps

PSASBR tonight? haven't tested out the new patch!

 

[CB3]

now that the secret to my success has been exposed i will go on a 6 game losing streak. you foiled me again

You're Juan Manuel Marquez. You passed your prime then showed up to a fight looking cut like never before. And your trainer used to dabble in underhanded things! Im not saying...im just saying! In the steroids/dcx era no one is above suspicion!

 

[eznark]

what's your agenda questioning his agenda?

ps

PSASBR tonight? haven't tested out the new patch!

Trying to schmooze the Marvin Miller of MaddenGAF???

Smart, friend.

 

[Birdman02]

I believed in you birdman

Was I supposed to lose to Trasher? I'm so confused.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

You're Juan Manuel Marquez. You passed your prime then showed up to a fight looking cut like never before. And your trainer used to dabble in underhanded things! Im not saying...im just saying! In the steroids/dcx era no one is above suspicion!

i'm not the one who has a CB with 14 ints. no one is above suspicion indeed

 

[eznark]

Was I supposed to lose to Trasher? I'm so confused.

Bob called you witch

 

[CB3]

i'm not the one who has a CB with 14 ints. no one is above suspicion indeed

Like 6 came from dirt Warner. That's not my fault!

 

[LukeSmith]

I wanna see the LJ video files released

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Like 6 came from dirt Warner. That's not my fault!

hey! you could've been holding Y the entire time, improving your DB's while the CPU chucked up pick after pick! we just can't know

in other news, i wish there was a "Release" rating or something, showing how fast someones release is. i've been using my rookie cb and i would've switched to him a lot sooner if i had known. his release is a lot faster than alex's and it has helped me avoid some sacks.... still take a lot though

 

[CB3]

hey! you could've been holding Y the entire time, improving your DB's while the CPU chucked up pick after pick! we just can't know

in other news, i wish there was a "Release" rating or something, showing how fast someones release is. i've been using my rookie cb and i would've switched to him a lot sooner if i had known. his release is a lot faster than alex's and it has helped me avoid some sacks.... still take a lot though

I've been leading this league in INT's since I stepped in. That's a route you cannot take, my friend.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

I've been leading this league in INT's since I stepped in. That's a route you cannot take, my friend.

but this isn't you, this is your uncontrolled AI teammate

 

[Sokantish]

Wow I just stomped this noob cheeser Raider player, I think he was holding Y the whole time and he still lost!

 

[Rorschach]

Y works if you press it as it's thrown. The AI just puts their arms up and gets in front of the ball lol Even if you're not controlling him.

It doesn't seem to work if you hold it from the start of the play. Hit stick thing works if you do it as the AI is getting there and mash it up, but not down. I couldn't get it right every time with my non-big hitters (everyone not named McClain!). It requires some timing, I guess, but my guys never hit stick and I got them to do it on every play. I guess if it's a goal line situation, you could just mash the shit out of a bang-bang play like FB dive and hope for a DL FF.

Y doesn't work on runs and it doesn't make them superbeast at run defense. Or so it seems. I don't think I know how to do it right.