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[LJ11]

I thought Shawn was going out of town? He made reference to it if memory serves me correct.

I was thinking about the Jets last night, and while I still think that team is weak, things can change after the next roster update. Washington is going to be a game breaking back, Clemens has a good arm, two good WR, David Harris is a monster, and you can always put in Vilma as well, Revis is going to get a boost as well. Having to potentially deal with Jones and Washington is giving me nightmares.

Edit: I think Rors was referencing snapping the ball while the WR is in motion, and not set. He's all for motioning a WR, just let them set before you snap. For example, if you're CB is in man coverage and your opponent motions his WR, your CB will be a few steps behind since he has to avoid the LB'S and CB's on the field. This causes separation, and if you snap before the WR is set, you get a pretty nice start.

With that said, there are a bunch of formations that have auto-motion with a WR that hasn't come to a set stop, or goes through the O-Line when running his route.

 

[LiveWire]

Question for Fifty or FMT!

I've been playing several scrimmages with LJ (who at this point I think could legitimately win the SB with the Bills) and I've been worked on learning the Pats playbook (or perhaps substitutin another pure passing playbook). Anyhoo, on several of my deep passes to Moss, he leaped up to grab the ball. I know the league has a rule against purposefully throwing jump balls over the middle, but what happens when I'm not hitting anything and Moss is doing it anyway? An example is a deep bomb I threw in which Moss was covered by a corner and had safety help coming right as Moss made his move. I didn't hit up on the Left Stick (which, IIRC is assigned to jump pass), but rather, up on the D-Pad which is for passing control to throw the ball deeper downfield. Moss seems to leap for the ball when covered (which, not suprisingly, is like real life).

I just want to clear this up before the season starts so I don't get bitched at when I'm pwning people 42-17.

 

[Malleymal]

Question for Fifty or FMT!

I've been playing several scrimmages with LJ (who at this point I think could legitimately win the SB with the Bills) and I've been worked on learning the Pats playbook (or perhaps substitutin another pure passing playbook). Anyhoo, on several of my deep passes to Moss, he leaped up to grab the ball. I know the league has a rule against purposefully throwing jump balls over the middle, but what happens when I'm not hitting anything and Moss is doing it anyway? An example is a deep bomb I threw in which Moss was covered by a corner and had safety help coming right as Moss made his move. I didn't hit up on the Left Stick (which, IIRC is assigned to jump pass), but rather, up on the D-Pad which is for passing control to throw the ball deeper downfield. Moss seems to leap for the ball when covered (which, not suprisingly, is like real life).

I just want to clear this up before the season starts so I don't get bitched at when I'm pwning people 42-17.

wait what??? the D pad controls how deep it goes???

also is anyone looking to scrimmage their new team tonight... I am almost done with my travel season for work, and I am ready to train and put in the work needed to make this season like years past...

HEAARRRRRRTSSSSSSSS ONNNNNNNNN FIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rorschach]

Wait, what?

So let's say I'm in 3 WR, 1TE 1 RB set. Slot receiver on the left. My opponent is in a Cover 2 zone. He's playing a 4-3 D with 2 LBs in the box pinched, safeties back, and the nickel on the slot receivers side. I send the slot WR in motion to the right, but his nickel doesn't follow because he's assigned the zone. You're telling me I can't snap when the WR clears the right side of the line, but before he's set on the right side? NFL teams do this ALL THE TIME. That's what audibling is all about. If I see a zone D or a man D, I need to adjust properly.

Now if you're arguing that we shouldn't be able to snap when WRs are right over a guard or center because it fucks up blocking, I agree. But snapping when a WR is still in motion outside the tackles should clearly be allowed.

The "real life" comment was about doing it behind the oline. I've never seen it. As for the other stuff, that's what audibling is all about? Really? I thought there was more to it. Silly me, I thought you could adjust to defenses without relying on that.

 

[Andokuky]

Question for Fifty or FMT!

I've been playing several scrimmages with LJ (who at this point I think could legitimately win the SB with the Bills) and I've been worked on learning the Pats playbook (or perhaps substitutin another pure passing playbook). Anyhoo, on several of my deep passes to Moss, he leaped up to grab the ball. I know the league has a rule against purposefully throwing jump balls over the middle, but what happens when I'm not hitting anything and Moss is doing it anyway? An example is a deep bomb I threw in which Moss was covered by a corner and had safety help coming right as Moss made his move. I didn't hit up on the Left Stick (which, IIRC is assigned to jump pass), but rather, up on the D-Pad which is for passing control to throw the ball deeper downfield. Moss seems to leap for the ball when covered (which, not suprisingly, is like real life).

I just want to clear this up before the season starts so I don't get bitched at when I'm pwning people 42-17.

Spectacular WR's do that sometimes even if you don't use the analog/d-pad to lead passes. Idk about Moss since he's like a 98 or whatever but with Walker most of the time he'd get hit and just drop it.

 

[Rorschach]

Uhm...up on the d-pad nets a jump pass, but there's no rule against jump passes so it doesn't matter...

D-Pad is the same as the thumbstick in all parts of the game from the menus to calling hot routes, to controlling the player.

I dunno where you got the idea it was different...how have you been playing all this time? :lol

 

[bluemax]

I asked FMT about the "jump" pass thing this year, especially because of Spectacular Catch guys. He said the way Safeties hit dudes this year makes it not a 100% thing (except for Javon Walker

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That's a joke

).

 

[sableholic]

wait what??? the D pad controls how deep it goes???

also is anyone looking to scrimmage their new team tonight... I am almost done with my travel season for work, and I am ready to train and put in the work needed to make this season like years past...

HEAARRRRRRTSSSSSSSS ONNNNNNNNN FIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I can scrimmage tonight if u want, haven't played you since last year

 

[LiveWire]

Uhm...up on the d-pad nets a jump pass, but there's no rule against jump passes so it doesn't matter...

D-Pad is the same as the thumbstick in all parts of the game from the menus to calling hot routes, to controlling the player.

I dunno where you got the idea it was different...how have you been playing all this time? :lol

Well, I've used both the stick and the d-pad, and the d-pad gets the ball further downfield, so...

Anyway, it would be much easier if it was set up like NFL2K's Maximum Passing.

 

[LiveWire]

Edit: I think Rors was referencing snapping the ball while the WR is in motion, and not set. He's all for motioning a WR, just let them set before you snap. For example, if you're CB is in man coverage and your opponent motions his WR, your CB will be a few steps behind since he has to avoid the LB'S and CB's on the field. This causes separation, and if you snap before the WR is set, you get a pretty nice start.

That's the whole point of sending a man in motion. As Rors said above, he was referring to snapping when the WR is between the tackles, allowing the WR to act as an extra blocker for run plays or to burst through the O-line on a route that the D can't cover correctly.

 

[LukeSmith]

I can't believe that the fucking three teams I wanted, in order, went right before me.

Now I am forced to shock the world:

I will pick the NEW YORK FOOTBALL JETS!!!

*cues Hollywood Hogan Music*

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I don't even know if they are good or bad, I just want to be able to pound Livewire twice this year.

You changed your pick, I saw the pre-edit with the Panthers Wellie!

You wrote about how you were going to be a goth and cut yourself everytime you had to play, don't try and act like you didn't!

 

[LiveWire]

I will pick the NEW YORK FOOTBALL JETS!!

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I don't even know if they are good or bad, I just want to be able to pound Livewire twice this year.

Yea, this sucks. The Jets will be ranked a lot better with Clemens in now, and next update I'm sure Leon Washington will get another weapon and like 96 speed or something. I'm gonna give up at least 1 KR/PR a game to you, and then Clemens will probably be good enough to throw for a TD or 2 in each of our matchups. Fuck, I'm gonna just have to hope for a shootout and get the final score and hope my aging defense holds....

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P.S. If you thought losing to the Dolphins with the Giants was bad, just wait and see how I slaughter you with the Pats!

 

[LukeSmith]

Yea, this sucks. The Jets will be ranked a lot better with Clemens in now, and next update I'm sure Leon Washington will get another weapon and like 96 speed or something. I'm gonna give up at least 1 KR/PR a game to you, and then Clemens will probably be good enough to throw for a TD or 2 each of our matchups. Fuck, I'm gonna just have to hope for a shootout and get the final score and hope my aging defense holds....

Your division is getting tough, Champ!

 

[Lonestar]

I put WR motion now more than I did in the past. I will snap while they are moving, but outside of the "offensive line" area (say, a quick jaunt from outside to slot). I do this, because there are designed plays that do this already in the game.

I will snap with the WR behind the offensive line when it's a run play, for extra blocking. Had to on Seattle as Shaun will be tackled for a loss 80% of the time. I do so because the Blocking in the game is bollocks already.

 

[Rorschach]

That's the whole point of sending a man in motion. As Rors said above, he was referring to snapping when the WR is between the tackles, allowing the WR to act as an extra blocker for run plays or to burst through the O-line on a route that the D can't cover correctly.

I'm ok with it on running plays. It doesn't hurt that much, but when a WR runs a route through your line, it's different.

I put WR motion now more than I did in the past. I will snap while they are moving, but outside of the "offensive line" area (say, a quick jaunt from outside to slot). I do this, because there are designed plays that do this already in the game.

I will snap with the WR behind the offensive line when it's a run play, for extra blocking. Had to on Seattle as Shaun will be tackled for a loss 80% of the time. I do so because the Blocking in the game is bollocks already.

The thing is...even in the nfl, it's illegal for anyone to be moving forward at the time of the snap, yet I can do it in the game (as WRs are crossing the the line to the other side right when they get past the OL to the other side and RBs in general).

 

[SickBoy]

No offense, Lonestar, but I really don't like the "WR blocker" play and think it should be canned, too. There are a small handful of plays where it's designed, but it's really not something that's done in the NFL.

(As for the other issue of snapping while a receiver's in motion, I'll go with the will of the league on this one, but I can understand the concerns: look at the NFL versus Madden again, and I think you rarely, if ever, see a wideout get the steps on a DB by going in motion that he does in Madden.)

 

[LukeSmith]

No offense, Lonestar, but I really don't like the "WR blocker" play and think it should be canned, too. There are a small handful of plays where it's designed, but it's really not something that's done in the NFL.

(As for the other issue of snapping while a receiver's in motion, I'll go with the will of the league on this one, but I can understand the concerns: look at the NFL versus Madden again, and I think you rarely, if ever, see a wideout get the steps on a DB by going in motion that he does in Madden.)

Whatever the league decides is fine, I can't run the football anyway. 5 WR, Seneca Wallace base package! Fun and Gun!

 

[LiveWire]

I'm ok with it on running plays. It doesn't hurt that much, but when a WR runs a route through your line, it's different.


The thing is...even in the nfl, it's illegal for anyone to be moving forward at the time of the snap, yet I can do it in the game (as WRs are crossing the the line to the other side right when they get past the OL to the other side and RBs in general).

Moving forward, yes. But moving laterally (or backwards) at the time of the snap is fine. Which is what the WRs are doing. Moving RBs forward out of the backfield, however, Madden does allow you to snap, which should be banned.

 

[Rorschach]

Moving forward, yes. But moving laterally (or backwards) at the time of the snap is fine. Which is what the WRs are doing. Moving RBs forward out of the backfield, however, Madden does allow you to snap, which should be banned.

I SAID MOVING FORWARD!!!!!! And I said the times when they happen. WTF is wrong with you?!

 

[LiveWire]

I SAID MOVING FORWARD!!!!!! And I said the times when they happen. WTF is wrong with you?!

Relax dude! Jeez. I'm just saying that WRs aren't moving forward at all when they're crossing the line. You seem to say that they are...

Shouldn't you be all rainbows and lollipops since you won the SB!? ;P

 

[Slo]

:lol :lol :lol Preseason meltdown.

 

[Andokuky]

When is Shawn back in town, did he say? He should have sent in a list.

 

[Rorschach]

Relax dude! Jeez. I'm just saying that WRs aren't moving forward at all when they're crossing the line. You seem to say that they are...

Shouldn't you be all rainbows and lollipops since you won the SB!? ;P

I'll fucking eat your babies!!!!!!!!!!!! >:|


Seriously, though, in certain formations, you can make them run like this

 

[LiveWire]

I'll fucking eat your babies!!!!!!!!!!!! >:|


Seriously, though, in certain formations, you can make them run like this

Ah, I see what you're saying now. That doesn't happen on every play, but it does happen sometimes. So, if we were to ban snapping when the WR is standing a body's length from the end of tackles or anywhere inside the tackles I think we'd be OK.

 

[LukeSmith]

I'll fucking eat your babies!!!!!!!!!!!! >:|


Seriously, though, in certain formations, you can make them run like this

There are some formations (5 wide SB) where the WR will go in motion and run through the lineman and run offsides. It's brilliant!

 

[LJ11]

No offense, Lonestar, but I really don't like the "WR blocker" play and think it should be canned, too. There are a small handful of plays where it's designed, but it's really not something that's done in the NFL.

The Bills do it every single game, multiple times too, with Josh Reed. I don't really do it in Madden, but some NFL teams use it a lot. Bills motion and line up Reed between guard tackle very often. What sucks is that they hardly pass when doing so, so it tips everyone off. Fairchild's a moron. It's not common like you said, but some teams do it. Then again some teams run up the score too.

Edit: They do it to set up a crackback block on an end or WLB.

 

[Fifty]

Shawn posted twice early this morning and he's on mobile AIM, which I just sent a message to.

edit: He was just about to board his flight but thanks to mobile AIM he now has the Panthers. This was our first ever in-airport pick. :lol

22. DMczaf - Cardinals
23. Ramirez - Giants
24. Wellie - Jets
25. Shawn - Panthers
26. Ando -
27. FMT -
28. Rors (or he repeats with the Raiders)
29. Chris (unsure of draft position)
30. LJ (unsure of draft position)
31.
32.

Teams left:

Atlanta Falcons
Buffalo Bills
Houston Texans
Miami Dolphins
Oakland Raiders (Ask Rors!)
San Francisco 49ers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

ando will take the bucs

 

[Fifty]

FMT, the time has come...to come on down!

 

[Malleymal]

and with that pick then Ando's super WR pick.. this draft should be over by tonight and league started by tomorrow.....

Edit: Just saw FMTs pick.. this was the craziest draft of all time..

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

22. DMczaf - Cardinals
23. Ramirez - Giants
24. Wellie - Jets
25. Shawn - Panthers
26. Ando - Bucs
27. FMT - Texans
28. Rors - Raiders
29. Chris (unsure of draft position)
30. LJ (unsure of draft position)
31.
32.
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Fifty can you figure out some formula to have Chris, LJ, and Airbrian to pick!?

 

[Fifty]

Oh shit, not since you just joined my division! Actually, this could be good..we never get to play. I'm not going to like seeing the Texans win their division.

as for that, check your PMs in a minute or two

 

[Andokuky]

and with that pick then Ando's super WR pick..

 

[Lonestar]

Could just go "Ok, here's what's left, who do you want." and if there's 2 or 3 of them that want the same team, BATTLE ROYAL!

HAHA, the entire NFC West went AFC this year. And Striker gets FMT 2 times again!

 

[Mrbob]

FMT I'm glad to see you accepted my open invitation!

 

[Slo]

Is Airbrian on the list?

 

[sableholic]

EDIT: Nevermind, still wow at where the teams went.

 

[Fifty]

Is Airbrian on the list?

Yeah, I think so. I think I originally forgot him from the list because he hadn't posted here as much but he's got a spot if he wants it. That'd leave one spot for Birdman/Trasher, or whoever pays us the most money.

sable, what's to dislike?

 

[Andokuky]

Birdman is in the rookies league and is a straight player and active in that league.

 

[Trasher]

Yeah, I think so. I think I originally forgot him from the list because he hadn't posted here as much but he's got a spot if he wants it. That'd leave one spot for Birdman/Trasher, or whoever pays us the most money.

sable, what's to dislike?

I have money!

 

[sableholic]

Yeah, I think so. I think I originally forgot him from the list because he hadn't posted here as much but he's got a spot if he wants it. That'd leave one spot for Birdman/Trasher, or whoever pays us the most money.

sable, what's to dislike?

lol nevermind i misread some things

 

[Trasher]

Birdman is in the rookies league and is a straight player and active in that league.

I'm the dude that specifically wants to join so I can own Denog, Ramirez, and Luke.

 

[Wellington]

Man I can't wait to push Livewire's shit in.

 

[Lonestar]

So it's:
AFC East: Livewire, Wellie
AFC North: Lonestar, Matrix, Bluemax, Denogginizer
AFC South: Fifty, FMT, Striker, Bob
AFC West: Rorschach, Daws, Dammitmatt, Truelize

NFC East: DCX, Ramirez, Coldblooded, Jube
NFC North: Sableholic, Gunstar, Malley, Konex
NFC South: Ando, Slo, Shawn,
NFC West: Luke, DM, Sickboy

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I vote for Trasher if we are taking votes. Gotta support the TJ's.

 

[LiveWire]

So it's:
AFC East: Livewire, Wellie, LJ11
AFC North: Lonestar, Matrix, Bluemax, Denogginizer
AFC South: Fifty, FMT, Striker, Bob
AFC West: Rorschach, Daws, Dammitmatt, Truelize

NFC East: DCX, Ramirez, Coldblooded, Jube
NFC North: Sableholic, Gunstar, Malley, Konex
NFC South: Ando, Slo, Shawn,
NFC West: Luke, DM, Sickboy

Added LJ because he will likely take the Bills again (and push for a playoff run or better).

As for you Wellie, I hope you get familiar with the Jets 3rd stringer because Wilfork might break his fall by "accidentally" elbowing Clemens' left knee. I'm prepared to take a few 15 yard penalties this year.

 

[Matrix]

<3 Fmt for taking the Texans.

Though I'm sure he will win with them and make me feel like shit.

 

[DCX]

Ram..again...i have many battles with him...not that i win any, but still.

DCX

 

[ChrisJames]

I'm ready to make my pick whenever we decide the final draft order.

LJ can have the Bills.

 

[sableholic]

As for you Wellie, I hope you get familiar with the Jets 3rd stringer because Wilfork might break his fall by "accidentally" elbowing Clemens' left knee. I'm prepared to take a few 15 yard penalties this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3POT8n2Qk3g

Believe

(wonder if the bills lineman will gun for Brady next game and return the favor)