Official Mar NBA 2008 Season Thread Of Twin Towers Of Regret And Soviet War Machines

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Mavs are probably going to get destroyed tomorrow. The Lakers will be pissed because of their last loss, and the Mavs always play horrible on Sunday afternoons. Always.

Not to mention Avery is losing his mind, trying to make Kidd a scorer. He'll bench him the whole second half if he has 5 assists but only 2 points at halftime.
 
reilo said:
No, they are the Soviet War Machines. Kwame and Milicic are the Twin Towers of Regret.

:lol I'm sorry I missed just about all of last month's thread now.

The Stealth Fox said:
Darko and Kwanza

:lol Holy shit. Why am I envisioning people in daishikis festively decorating a plastic Kwame Brown statue in their living room? With little cakes, pussies (cats, people, cats!) and angry Michael Jordan ornaments?
 
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Ouch. I guess that's what happens when you're an absolute baller -- teams send their hitmen after you! Big Al = ROTY.
 
Rodeo Clown said:
Personally, I'm a big fan of Seattle's current strategy: force the Sonics to stay there until 2010 and hope the Hornets go to OKC instead.
Yeah...

Regarding the Rockets next game: if the Rockets lose to Denver Sunday night... I will be disappointed. Not apocalyptic, but disappointed. Tomorrow will be huge in terms of seeing how an undermanned team will manage against a talented team.

Two blowouts in a row are awesome, but again, it was against Memphis and an injured Washington.
 
:lol @ everyone saying the Spurs are old

you forget they have their own D-League team full of awesome players who are ready to take over next season when Fin, BB, Horry, and Bowen retire. Plus they're keeping the new secret weapon in Brazil ready to be called up

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Scola who?
 
The honeymoon's over; Pippen 2.0 is pissed.
Forward Shawn Marion has been with the Heat only a little more than three weeks, but he already has expressed concern on more than one occasion about the determination of his teammates.

The latest comments came Thursday night after a 106-88 loss to the Lakers in a game televised from Los Angeles by TNT.

"We've got a national TV game. You're telling me you can't get pumped up and come out with fire? That's frustrating. We've got dig deeper," said Marion, who was obtained from Phoenix on Feb. 6 in the Shaquille O'Neal trade.

...

"Their bench comes in and gives them energy, our bench needs to come in and give us energy," said Marion, who was in Seattle with his teammates to face the SuperSonics on Friday night. "It's got to be an even swap. We can't have it one-sided."

...

"It's hard, man," he said. "I'm used to being a leader on the floor, but it's got to be everybody. When everybody starts to feel pain, to feel that pain, and get (upset) on the floor ... then this will end. Until that happens, it's never going to end."

But his teammates didn't seem overly bothered by the loss. As Marion spoke in the post-game locker room, they unwittingly illustrated his point by casually joking in the background.

Marion also voiced frustration with the club's attitude after a 112-100 loss at Houston on Feb. 21 and after a 101-96 overtime defeat two days later against Philadelphia.
 
I didn't stick around GAF until the end last night. Did the usual Laker fans and Konex overreact and act like this loss was the end of the world?

I wasn't really surprised at the loss. It was a back to back, Roy was back, the Blazers really outplayed the Lakers all night, and finally Blazers looked like they wanted it more.

Every team is going to lose games over the course of the season. No reason to overreact. I was actually happy that the Lakers still had a chance to win that game at the end. Unfortunately Kobe didn't perform at the end and Aldridge was just lights out.

Exciting game though.
 
Branduil said:
Mavs are probably going to get destroyed tomorrow. The Lakers will be pissed because of their last loss, and the Mavs always play horrible on Sunday afternoons. Always.

Not to mention Avery is losing his mind, trying to make Kidd a scorer. He'll bench him the whole second half if he has 5 assists but only 2 points at halftime.

yeah. im worried about the defense too. i think lakers will reach 110 against us.
 
Wow, we had a pretty historic month of basketball. Houston is now the only franchise to have two perfect months(min. 12 games). Bittersweet though : (
 
thekad said:
Wow, we had a pretty historic month of basketball. Houston is now the only franchise to have two perfect months(min. 12 games). Bittersweet though : (
Yeah. And we're still 7th and projected to play the Spurs in the 1st round. Yikes.

We have to move to up a seed or two. The Rockets must keep winning at all costs.
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Definitely much more probable than a turnaround fadeaway with a hand on his face and 0.4 seconds left in the game.

U mad?
 
bionic77 said:
I didn't stick around GAF until the end last night. Did the usual Laker fans and Konex overreact and act like this loss was the end of the world?

I wasn't really surprised at the loss. It was a back to back, Roy was back, the Blazers really outplayed the Lakers all night, and finally Blazers looked like they wanted it more.

Every team is going to lose games over the course of the season. No reason to overreact. I was actually happy that the Lakers still had a chance to win that game at the end. Unfortunately Kobe didn't perform at the end and Aldridge was just lights out.

Exciting game though.
I was really pissed, but I didn't think it was the end of the world. My opinion on the game is that the Blazers were just hitting a ridiculously high percentage of their jumpshots, which opened up the floor for their slashers to get layups at the basket. This coincided with the Lakers looking dead tired on defense and Fisher and Sasha stinking it up from 3-pt range.

In other words, this is the kind of loss that just happens sometimes. The other team was red hot and the Lakers weren't.
 
BTW, Dave from Blazersedge.com and Kurt from Forumblueandgold.com made a bet: whichever team wins, the fan of the losing team has to write up an essay about how good the winning team will be in a couple of years.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
I think it's more about ripping the rebound from him and then dunking it and having the ball fall on his face.

I'll always have this though. Better than 10 championships combined...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ln2CwYznhyc
Actually, that just goes to show what a huge vagina T-Mac is and how badly the Rockets have it with him as their "leader". He has all the talent in the world, as seen in that insane sequence, but he is such a spineless bastard that he will never amount to anything. When the time comes for the Rockets to need guidance in a tough playoff series, he will fold and so will the team right behind him.

:D
 
Green Shinobi said:
I was really pissed, but I didn't think it was the end of the world. My opinion on the game is that the Blazers were just hitting a ridiculously high percentage of their jumpshots, which opened up the floor for their slashers to get layups at the basket. This coincided with the Lakers looking dead tired on defense and Fisher and Sasha stinking it up from 3-pt range.

In other words, this is the kind of loss that just happens sometimes. The other team was red hot and the Lakers weren't.
The problem with calling this a fluke is that when they played at Staples, Roy wasn't there and they still gave them a hard time. That's because Aldridge is ****ing awesome.

BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Actually, that just goes to show what a huge vagina T-Mac is and how badly the Rockets have it with him as their "leader". He has all the talent in the world, as seen in that insane sequence, but he is such a spineless bastard that he will never amount to anything. When the time comes for the Rockets to need guidance in a tough playoff series, he will fold and so will the team right behind him.

:D

Yes, it's hard to argue with a fairweather fan of a team ("Go Celtics!" when your team is slumping, please) that has won 4 titles. Maybe I should start rooting for the Spurs so I can start blasting other players for unfair reasons.

How is he "spineless"? He may be mentally weak and gets depressed and so on, but he's been in some unlucky situations, no doubt. The guy ALWAYS brings it in the playoffs. You can't expect him to win 1 on 5 or 2 on 5 (w/ Yao). If you're going to criticize T-Mac, you should criticize the hell out of Yao also because he too is associated with the first round playoff losses.

Just call the whole team "spineless" and be done with it. It's not my fault that as shooting guards age, the less aggressive they are. The better shooting guards tend to chuck more efficiently, that's all.

Don't tell me that if I substituted Duncan for Juwan Howard and gave you a Bobby Sura who re-injured himself after Game 3 that you'd have 4 titles. Don't. Give. Me. That. Shit.

Yes, T-Mac deserves some of the blame (he tries to shoulder the burden even though sometimes he's not ready for it), but then, the whole Rockets organization also deserves some of the blame also. I don't like bullshit double standards.

I have criticized him a lot, but enough is enough.

The "lol first round" label he gets is merely a product of the media needing someone to pin this on. Look at the numbers he put up in the Utah series and he put up a spectacle of efficient shooting and assisting in game 7 of the Utah series. You just can't expect him to carry the whole team on his back, that's not how great teams work.

The main thing is that his health prevents him from playing consistently. Back spasms are recurring things and now he's busted up his knee. While we're at it, let's blame Yao for his stress fracture!

Kobe, shame on you for hurting your finger. Parker, you're a bad player because you've injured your foot (I am aware these players haven't sustained as much injury as McGrady, but that's not the point, the point is using recurring injuries as an excuse to criticize someone).
 
They should have won last year though. I believe Yao was playing and I think they had homecourt as well.

McGrady is a great player. Sure, he's a bit soft, but I'd gladly take him on my team. He's never really had a great supporting cast. Sure, he plays with one of the best centers in the league, but Yao is injured a lot. Now he's playing with a bunch of role players and throwaways. We'll see if they can make the playoffs.
 
Absinthe said:
They should have won last year though. I believe Yao was playing and I think they had homecourt as well.

Maybe they "should have", but that was a shitty excuse for a bench. Game 3 = 0 points. Juwan Howard could not hit a layup to save his life. 8-man rotation. Houston goes 10-men deep now.

They were close to stealing Game 6 at Utah and ending the series, but I think the momentum of that game shifted when Juwan Howard bricked a fast-break layup that would have given them the lead.

McGrady is a great player. Sure, he's a bit soft, but I'd gladly take him on my team.

Yeah, this is precisely the perspective I take on McGrady. If I call him "T-Vag", it's because I'm overreacting because I'm a fan of a team and I demand success a lot. But once he decides to start succeeding, I won't criticize him anymore because I knew he had that type of potential and now injuries aren't preventing him from utilizing that talent.

Injuries prevent McGrady from playing consistently during the regular season, and I don't think he "wants" to have back spasms or knee injuries. Fans (like me) tend to get frustrated with frequent injuries, but are happy when the team is finally clicking.

I've always liked McGrady as a person, but his injuries drive me nuts sometimes. But then again, I often forget sometimes that it is something that some people cannot control.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
The problem with calling this a fluke is that when they played at Staples, Roy wasn't there and they still gave them a hard time. That's because Aldridge is ****ing awesome.



Yes, it's hard to argue with a fairweather fan of a team ("Go Celtics!" when your team is slumping, please) that has won 4 titles. Maybe I should start rooting for the Spurs so I can start blasting other players for unfair reasons.

How is he "spineless"? He may be mentally weak and gets depressed and so on, but he's been in some unlucky situations, no doubt. The guy ALWAYS brings it in the playoffs. You can't expect him to win 1 on 5 or 2 on 5 (w/ Yao). If you're going to criticize T-Mac, you should criticize the hell out of Yao also because he too is associated with the first round playoff losses.

Just call the whole team "spineless" and be done with it. It's not my fault that as shooting guards age, the less aggressive they are. The better shooting guards tend to chuck more efficiently, that's all.

Don't tell me that if I substituted Duncan for Juwan Howard and gave you a Bobby Sura who re-injured himself after Game 3 that you'd have 4 titles. Don't. Give. Me. That. Shit.

Yes, T-Mac deserves some of the blame (he tries to shoulder the burden even though sometimes he's not ready for it), but then, the whole Rockets organization also deserves some of the blame also. I don't like bullshit double standards.

I have criticized him a lot, but enough is enough.

The "lol first round" label he gets is merely a product of the media needing someone to pin this on. Look at the numbers he put up in the Utah series and he put up a spectacle of efficient shooting and assisting in game 7 of the Utah series. You just can't expect him to carry the whole team on his back, that's not how great teams work.

The main thing is that his health prevents him from playing consistently. Back spasms are recurring things and now he's busted up his knee. While we're at it, let's blame Yao for his stress fracture!

Kobe, shame on you for hurting your finger. Parker, you're a bad player because you've injured your foot (I am aware these players haven't sustained as much injury as McGrady, but that's not the point, the point is using recurring injuries as an excuse to criticize someone).
Where drama happens. :-)
 
Rockets are a lot of role players....but throwaways? :lol

LANDRY AND SCOLA SHIT ON THAT COMMENT


Best center in the league is Dampier.
 
Houston fans might think I'm nuts, but I'd try trading Yao. I think his health is going to be a huge question his whole career. Bigs like him sometimes have nagging ankle/knee/leg injuries and he seems to be one of them. Yao's great when is on the court, but would I have him on my team knowing that he's going to miss a ton of games nearly every season? No, I wouldn't. I'd like to see someone like Richard Jefferson playing next to T Mac. Speed the offense up.

Landry and Scola did not play for the Rockets last year. I'm talking about last year's team. Their supporting cast was a bunch of throwaways. Juwan Howard, for example. McGrady hasn't played with Yao for a full season for at least two years. Both of them constantly stay injured. They'd be one of the top four teams in the West if they both stayed healthy.
 
aznpxdd said:
Bad supporting cast? Come on, TMac's been playing with the best center in the league for the past 2 years.
I didn't know Yao was a supporting cast. Also, the type of offense they played in should be worthy of consideration, because it was "Get McGrady or Yao the ball and get the **** outta the way".

If you're thinking "Kobe and Yao" would have won a few championships, then save it. Shaq had 8 years in the league before he won his first championship. Yao was drafted in 2002 and this was his best season yet (his scoring is down but his assists went up). Yao's about to hit his prime.

Yao isn't as good as Shaq either... yet. But that's a huge "YET" because I don't even know if Yao can stay healthy anymore. What's scary about this whole deal is that this wasn't an in-game injury, this injury was a result of wear and tear and didn't result from a direct impact. That's the whole scary thing about this and makes me wonder what else will happen if he plays a few more seasons.

I guess the 2000 Lakers supporting cast was garbage too... because Glen Rice and Rick Fox are trash.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
I didn't know Yao was a supporting cast.

If you're thinking "Kobe and Yao" would have won a few championships, then save it. Shaq had 8 years in the league before he won his first championship. Yao was drafted in 2002 and this was his best season yet (his scoring is down but his assists went up). Yao's about to hit his prime.

Shaq was a powerhouse his first year in the league and made it to the finals in his third year, not really a valid comparison.
 
funkmastergeneral said:
Shaq was a powerhouse his first year in the league and made it to the finals in his third year, not really a valid comparison.
Well, my line of thinking isn't fullproof. We assume that all Centers develop in the same way. I mean Shaq used his strength to bully everyone around and then added that deadly hook shot. Yao has a hook and a jumper, but I wouldn't call his game a power game.

Anyway, the assumption that all centers develop in the exact same way and must be held accountable to the same standards is very... uh... shaky.

The McGrady/Yao tandem is a fine tandem but I don't even think it comes close to the Shaq/Kobe tandem in terms of power and skill. Calderon and the Soviet War Machine duo is obviously the best in the league though.
 
funkmastergeneral said:
Shaq was a powerhouse his first year in the league and made it to the finals in his third year, not really a valid comparison.

The year where he got destroyed by Hakeem you mean? :lol :lol :lol
 
Outlaw said:
The year where he got destroyed by Hakeem you mean? :lol :lol :lol
"But he was too young!" The argument goes something like this... "Shaq got out of the first round and he was in his 3rd year!"

I still don't buy it.

Matrix said:
Rockets are a lot of role players....but throwaways? :lol

LANDRY AND SCOLA SHIT ON THAT COMMENT


Best center in the league is Dampier.
Your lack of Primoz love disturbs me.
 
What's wrong with getting beat by The Dream? At least Shaq didn't win the MVP that year...cough David Robinson cough.
 
aznpxdd said:
What's wrong with getting beat by The Dream? At least Shaq didn't win the MVP that year...cough David Robinson cough.
Quiet, you'll hurt Bati's feelings! There was no 95 WCF matchup between the Spurs and the Rockets.

NOPE. NEVER EXISTED.
 
The Stealth Fox said:
Quiet, you'll hurt Bati's feelings! There was no 95 WCF matchup between the Spurs and the Rockets.

NOPE. NEVER EXISTED.
Hehehe, not really. I'm a huge fan of the Dream. Definitely the best center of All-Time. He was a monster during that series and even at my young age I enjoyed watching him play very much, eventhough he was destroying my favorite player and team.
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Hehehe, not really. I'm a huge fan of the Dream. Definitely the best center of All-Time. He was a monster during that series and even at my young age I enjoyed watching him play very much, eventhough he was destroying my favorite player and team.
Well now you've offended Lakers fans! He is for me though, even after the championship years I loved him...

Man, there are no interesting games on tonight... all the good ones are on tomorrow.
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Hehehe, not really. I'm a huge fan of the Dream. Definitely the best center of All-Time. He was a monster during that series and even at my young age I enjoyed watching him play very much, eventhough he was destroying my favorite player and team.

What. The. Fuck. :lol :lol :lol :lol

No no no no no no no!
 
aznpxdd said:
What. The. Fuck. :lol :lol :lol :lol

No no no no no no no!
I've always held that Hakeem > Kareem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaq.

Hakeem vs. Kareem is debatable. Hakeem vs. Shaq is not. But some would like to disagree...

The fact I think is REALLY undebatable is that Hakeem was the best center of the 90s.
 
BigBoss said:
That move is so beautiful.
I wish I could find a damn recording of that game online.

I'm also looking for Rockets/Sonics Game 7 of the '97 Western Conference Finals. I don't have NBA TV, unfortunately.
 
TMac could have been playing in the weakass East alongside Dwight Howard right now but no, he cried and whined his way out of town because he didn't want to be a part of a rebuild and play alongside a high schooler. He made his bed...
 
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