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Official NHL CBA Conclusion thread! HOSANNAH, BITCHES
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Mike Works said:I believe half of that sentence!
You know, not that I'm saying it won't happen, but.. you know. Here's how it works. Take any random sentence. I'm going to go to GA's front page and find one. One sec.
Okay;
run it through the LEAF NATION filter, and voila;
God is it tiring to see people say every player dreams of playing for the Leafs. I made this picture during the offseason for the NHL thread on SA's forums, and somehow, I'm pretty sure I'll be using it next offseason too:
:lol :lol :lol
Anyways, its 6 days until season start. So am I the only one going fucking mad with anticipation, or is it a shared feeling?
I'm more excited than I have been about a hockey season in years. It's got a bit to do with the Flames run, but is much more centred around all the changes to the game.
That and all the mystery around how good some of these dramatically different teams are really going to be... and how preseason success will translate into the regular season (looking at Buffalo, the other team I follow -- who by conventional wisdom should suck this year)
God I hope the rules crackdown continues through the entire season and playoffs and doesn't peter out like they have in the past. While it's always nice to have games that aren't perpetually interrupted by penalties, make the players adjust their play, not the refs adjust their calls.
That and all the mystery around how good some of these dramatically different teams are really going to be... and how preseason success will translate into the regular season (looking at Buffalo, the other team I follow -- who by conventional wisdom should suck this year)
God I hope the rules crackdown continues through the entire season and playoffs and doesn't peter out like they have in the past. While it's always nice to have games that aren't perpetually interrupted by penalties, make the players adjust their play, not the refs adjust their calls.
Mike Works
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I'm entering into a hockey pool with 8 friends, anyone got any good sites that have good advice for solid/sleeper picks?
Kabuki Waq
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Im getting really excited for hockey as well. I want to puch all those ppl who said they wouldnt come back to the game cause of the strike or the fuckers who got offended by the JR comments. Fuck them all they are not real hockey fans.
BigJonsson
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Bryan Marchment was cut by the Leafs
The knee specialists must be disappointed
The knee specialists must be disappointed
Kabuki Waq said:
Well, I don't know. I think alot of people who said shit like that were just really, really angry. And it was justifiable anger. You can't blame people for the bullshit that transpired over the last 17 months.
The lockouts over. The season's right around the corner, and people are finally excited again.
God that tsn season countdown commercial is starting to really to hit me.
6 days left.
SystemShark
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Not too concerned. He'll be back in a month, hopefully. Just means Hamrlik and Leopold eat more minutes and Phaneuf gets more ice time. Messes up his Olympic chances a bit, seeing as it cuts into his time to make a case for himself. Bummer.
ForzaItalia
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Crazymoogle
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Pochacco said:
2000-01: Sens have terrible preseason, finish with 109 points
2001-02: Sens go preseason 7-0, finish with 94 points
2002-03: Sens go preseason 2-5-1, finish with president's trophy
So no, it doesn't mean much.
BigJonsson
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So I had a yahoo draft today and I clearly slept in and this is the team I ended up with
C M. Lemieux (Pit - C)
C M. Sundin (Tor - C)
LW M. Recchi (Pit - LW)
LW M. Ribeiro (Mon - LW)
RW M. St. Louis (TB - RW)
RW A. Carter (Van - RW)
D K. Johnsson (Phi - D)
D K. Timonen (Nsh - D)
D D. Kalinin (Buf - D)
D J. Niinimaa (NYI - D)
BN S. Gomez (NJ - C)
BN S. McEachern (Bos - RW)
BN F. Modin (TB - LW)
BN O. Tverdovsky (Car - D)
G J. Thibault (Pit - G)
G J. Giguere (Anh - G)
And I dropped Carter for Czerkawski on waivers
My forwards kick ass considering I missed all but the last round of the draft lol
C M. Lemieux (Pit - C)
C M. Sundin (Tor - C)
LW M. Recchi (Pit - LW)
LW M. Ribeiro (Mon - LW)
RW M. St. Louis (TB - RW)
RW A. Carter (Van - RW)
D K. Johnsson (Phi - D)
D K. Timonen (Nsh - D)
D D. Kalinin (Buf - D)
D J. Niinimaa (NYI - D)
BN S. Gomez (NJ - C)
BN S. McEachern (Bos - RW)
BN F. Modin (TB - LW)
BN O. Tverdovsky (Car - D)
G J. Thibault (Pit - G)
G J. Giguere (Anh - G)
And I dropped Carter for Czerkawski on waivers
My forwards kick ass considering I missed all but the last round of the draft lol
By the way, I've decided to go back to Espn NHL 2K5.
2K6 is just a rushed game, period. It started out great, but like a bad relationship, the little things just get to you.
Bob Cole has gone from acceptable to just down right fucking annyoing, in like 2 weeks flat. Bob, I love you in real life, but your a fucking hack in videogames bud. Don't quit your dayjob.
The gameplay is choppy
the player faceoff animation is... stiff.
Players often shoot the puck before it even touches their stick.
Computer AI on hall of famer is a joke.
Fighting same as last year...but worse. Choppy.
On the fly strategies still around from last year, except extremley hard to execute.
Strategies in the pause menu set up incredible stupid, to the point where my brain hurts from just looking at the dam screen.
But the worst culprit by far is navigating threw the menu's. Switching goalies in game IS A FUCKING MISSION, period. Why? who knows.
Anyways, 2k6, I tried to love you, and our little fling was fun while it lasted, but your just not what im looking for in a long term relationship.
2K6 is just a rushed game, period. It started out great, but like a bad relationship, the little things just get to you.
Bob Cole has gone from acceptable to just down right fucking annyoing, in like 2 weeks flat. Bob, I love you in real life, but your a fucking hack in videogames bud. Don't quit your dayjob.
The gameplay is choppy
the player faceoff animation is... stiff.
Players often shoot the puck before it even touches their stick.
Computer AI on hall of famer is a joke.
Fighting same as last year...but worse. Choppy.
On the fly strategies still around from last year, except extremley hard to execute.
Strategies in the pause menu set up incredible stupid, to the point where my brain hurts from just looking at the dam screen.
But the worst culprit by far is navigating threw the menu's. Switching goalies in game IS A FUCKING MISSION, period. Why? who knows.
Anyways, 2k6, I tried to love you, and our little fling was fun while it lasted, but your just not what im looking for in a long term relationship.
Malakhov said:Hossa was traded to New York, what an horrible trade by Gainey. This will come and bite us in the ass. He was one of our best players in the pre-season and had one hell of a chemistry going with Bonk...
Yeah! Let's keep Sundstrom instead, woohoo!
Aren't you glad that Latendresse will now have a place on the roster though?
I liked Hossa but if you ask me right now who would have the better season, I'd go with Latendresse in a second.
Koopa, we NEED physical pressense. Mabey not so much now, but come crunch time/playoffs he will be a huge asset.
Hossa has had a good preseason but I mean c'mon its preseason.
Am I missing something here?
You guys are acting like we just traded away a superstar.
Hossa was nothing special. Plenty of guys around that can "make up" for the 6 points he generates a season.
I promise you right now that Latendresse will give you hossa's point totals, plus bring strength to the habs. Have you guys seen the highlights from this guy this preseason? He's knocking people down, laying out big hits, planting himself in front of the net, and getting points while he's at it.
He deserves a shot at the big times this year. Even if he turns out to be a dud, he earned the chance to prove himself.
You guys are acting like we just traded away a superstar.
Hossa was nothing special. Plenty of guys around that can "make up" for the 6 points he generates a season.
I promise you right now that Latendresse will give you hossa's point totals, plus bring strength to the habs. Have you guys seen the highlights from this guy this preseason? He's knocking people down, laying out big hits, planting himself in front of the net, and getting points while he's at it.
He deserves a shot at the big times this year. Even if he turns out to be a dud, he earned the chance to prove himself.
BigJonsson
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Too much Habs talk
GO LEAFS!
GO LEAFS!
Gimme a little scouting report on Marcel, Habs fans.
As for Garth Murray, he's likely a career AHL'er or 4th liner. A fiesty player, has a bit of size, supposed good team guy, willing to drop the gloves with anyone, but a near complete lack of offensive talent. Not to say he's a complete slug like a Peter Worrell, he's not a terrible skater, just really no offensive instinct. At all.
As for Garth Murray, he's likely a career AHL'er or 4th liner. A fiesty player, has a bit of size, supposed good team guy, willing to drop the gloves with anyone, but a near complete lack of offensive talent. Not to say he's a complete slug like a Peter Worrell, he's not a terrible skater, just really no offensive instinct. At all.
Standard answer: because he probably got all his hockey skill from his mom's side of the family.
Actual answer: Hull was a fatass who could shoot a ton as a teenager and he was cut from Team Canada's junior team. Team USA naturally offered him a roster spot (since they had about 1/1000th the depth back then) and he suited up for them to get the experience and so on. By the time he was good enough to maybe make a Canadian squad he'd already played a few times for the US and he felt loyalty to their program. Of course, even if he was willing to 'switch' to play for canada (which he would have been able to do due to IIHF eligibility rules) I seriously doubt Hockey Canada ever would have asked him.
It still happens every now and then, when a Canadian kid with dual citizenship who is on the bubble to play for Canada gets offered a guaranteed spot by USA Hockey because their program just doesn't have the depth usually. Once you start playing for one country (and it is a huge developmental boost to go to the U18's or WJC as a young player no matter who you're playing for) you're pretty much locked in, for a lot of reasons. Adam Deadmarsh was another good example.
Actual answer: Hull was a fatass who could shoot a ton as a teenager and he was cut from Team Canada's junior team. Team USA naturally offered him a roster spot (since they had about 1/1000th the depth back then) and he suited up for them to get the experience and so on. By the time he was good enough to maybe make a Canadian squad he'd already played a few times for the US and he felt loyalty to their program. Of course, even if he was willing to 'switch' to play for canada (which he would have been able to do due to IIHF eligibility rules) I seriously doubt Hockey Canada ever would have asked him.
It still happens every now and then, when a Canadian kid with dual citizenship who is on the bubble to play for Canada gets offered a guaranteed spot by USA Hockey because their program just doesn't have the depth usually. Once you start playing for one country (and it is a huge developmental boost to go to the U18's or WJC as a young player no matter who you're playing for) you're pretty much locked in, for a lot of reasons. Adam Deadmarsh was another good example.
beerbelly said:
Hull was part of the crowd at WCW Monday Nitro in a taping in Ontario and the wrestlers spilled outside the ring and Hart accidently threw Sid Vicious into Hull and Hull got all mad and turned heel and joined the American team in front of the Barrie Ontario crowd.
Yeah, it was wierd.
ForzaItalia
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Malakhov
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Wolf: I want Latendresse to make the team as well but I would of prefered Hossa to play with Bonk and Bulis on the third line over Sundstrom for christs sake. Hossa had very good chemistry with Bonk, both were leading in points together.
Horrible, horrible move. For once Hossa showed that he had worked hard and was ready for the NHL and Gainey turns around and trades him after we've spent years on him, SICK SICK SICK.
Anyhow, Perezhogin needs to go back to the AHL and get accustomed to the north american game again, he has lost it with a year in Europe. Then you have Higgins, Plekanec, Dagenais and Latendresse. Plekanec and Higgins are making the team for sure this year, they're ready. So we're left with Dagenais and Latendresse and Dagenais, as much as I hate him will probably end up on the second line with his girlfriend Ribeiro because he has done very well in pre-season and the fucker can shoot the puck pretty good.
Horrible, horrible move. For once Hossa showed that he had worked hard and was ready for the NHL and Gainey turns around and trades him after we've spent years on him, SICK SICK SICK.
Anyhow, Perezhogin needs to go back to the AHL and get accustomed to the north american game again, he has lost it with a year in Europe. Then you have Higgins, Plekanec, Dagenais and Latendresse. Plekanec and Higgins are making the team for sure this year, they're ready. So we're left with Dagenais and Latendresse and Dagenais, as much as I hate him will probably end up on the second line with his girlfriend Ribeiro because he has done very well in pre-season and the fucker can shoot the puck pretty good.
So Latendresse making the team is still up in the air?
If I had to choose Dagenais or Latendresse right now....yeah, I would go with Dagenais, he does click with Ribs and he does have a good shot...
...but fuck there's got to be someone else the habs can send to the minors to bring in Latendresse. He just brings size, toughness and physical play to a team that, atleast on paper, has none.
Im sick and tired of seeing the habs get smoked every year by teams like the flyers, who just murder them with size and grit.
Well who knows now, things might be different now with the new rules, and mabey the speed and skill of the habs will prevail over size and strength, just have to wait and see.
I don't care who you have to kill down there in montreal koop, just make sure latendresse makes the team!
If I had to choose Dagenais or Latendresse right now....yeah, I would go with Dagenais, he does click with Ribs and he does have a good shot...
...but fuck there's got to be someone else the habs can send to the minors to bring in Latendresse. He just brings size, toughness and physical play to a team that, atleast on paper, has none.
Im sick and tired of seeing the habs get smoked every year by teams like the flyers, who just murder them with size and grit.
Well who knows now, things might be different now with the new rules, and mabey the speed and skill of the habs will prevail over size and strength, just have to wait and see.
I don't care who you have to kill down there in montreal koop, just make sure latendresse makes the team!
Malakhov
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Hossa had to be traded if they didnt want him on the team or else he would of had to be waived, same with Plekanec and Hainsey. But Plekanec will make the team, the guy can play on the PP, PK, 4th line and take 2nd line duties if need be, he's a very good and speedy forward. I don't know what will happen between Hainsey and Streit, that's a management decision.
Hossa is gone only because we just have too many young forwards who are NHL ready and we only have limited spots
Hossa is gone only because we just have too many young forwards who are NHL ready and we only have limited spots
Crazymoogle
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calder said:
Awesome answer, Calder, although I could swear Hull has stated in public a few times something to the effect of "Canada didn't want me then". He's certainly had the career success to keep his ego afloat in this particular situation, but cracking the Canadian Olympic Hockey team (of legend, (tm)) as a teen was obviously beyond almost anyone. I mean, damn, Hull has done his work, but I'm fine with Lemieux and Gretzky, thanks.
Glad you brought up Deadmarsh; he always struck me as another one of those glaring and odd examples. I guess it was the nature of the game that we had to bleed talent across borders.
Mike Works
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Man, it was so weird watching the Canucks / Flames hilights on TV. I didn't see the hilights from the first preseason game they played, and I was listening to the game on the radio so I knew who won and everything, but still, when I saw Iginla score on Auld to make it 3-2, it was like some Vietnam veteran-esque / Pavlovian response where a sense a panic just washed over me, and I just thought, "SHIT, they're only a goal away from tying it now".
This was from watching hilights from a preseason game of which I already knew the outcome to.
I think Canucks / Flames may take over Canucks / Avalanche for Vancouver's best rivalry this year.
This was from watching hilights from a preseason game of which I already knew the outcome to.
I think Canucks / Flames may take over Canucks / Avalanche for Vancouver's best rivalry this year.
New design for goalie jerseys
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=138228
To be honest it sounds like a great idea, but Im not going to give a straight opinion until I see more than just one jersey.
edit - Actually hold on a sec, jerseys' would have different patterns and colors then the rest of the team? Doesn't sound so good after all.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=138228
To be honest it sounds like a great idea, but Im not going to give a straight opinion until I see more than just one jersey.
edit - Actually hold on a sec, jerseys' would have different patterns and colors then the rest of the team? Doesn't sound so good after all.
yodathesoda
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Anybody got any decent cheat sheets?
Mike Works
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I'm working on my hockey pool right now. There are 8 people in it, we have to pick 8 forwards, 4 defensemen, and 2 goalies. However we're doing it (NHL) draft style where no one can pick the same players. 1 goal = 2 points, 1 assist = 1 point, win (goalie) = 2 points, shutout = 1 point. So plus minus means nothing, and goal scorers are more valuable than assist getters.
Anyone have any good links when it comes to sleeper picks or just general advice (ie injuries , etc)?
Anyone have any good links when it comes to sleeper picks or just general advice (ie injuries , etc)?
ForzaItalia
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beerbelly said:
Wings will sign him. Enough of the geezers already...Leafs NEED youth...
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