He hasn't broken his contract or anything yet, asking (or demanding) a trade has nothing to do with not honouring your contract! You can bitch about it all you want, making up absurd theories about the social upbringing and flawed marriages of ignorant canadian hockey players if you must, but your attempts to make it sound like this is some sort of huge flaw in hockey that doesn't exist in other sports is just ****ing stupid. If you're going to overreact and spin odd theories about shit no one else cares about, at least be entertaining about it.
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soundwave05
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calder said:
I would disagree. I don't see much difference between this and the Terrell Owen situation, except Prongs isn't being as theaterical about it.
I'll leave it at that though ... I got that off my chest, it was just venting. He's not Gretzky, the only thing that really bothers me is he's going to set our franchise back a 1 or 2 years. We'll be back though (we always are). There's a lot of pressure on teams like Tampa and Philly to make big changes this summer, we could grab Gange or Lecavalier.
It seems like all the stars are alligning for Vancouver to make the Cup final (and then lose in game 7) for 2007.
So that's it, I said my piece. On with the draft talk.
ForzaItalia
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So will it be redemption at today's draft for JFJ or more of "how the **** is this guy even an NHL GM"? when all is said and done?
- Several published reports indicate that the Pittburgh Penguins, desperate for defence, are offering the number two overall pick to Carolina in exchange for last year's number three pick, Jack Johnson. The Hurricanes would then use the second pick on Jordan Staal, the younger brother of 'Canes star Eric Staal.
- The St. Petersburg Times chimes in suggesting that the Lightning are also interested in Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Evgeni Nabokov, in addition to Denis, with Fedotenko and Modin expected to be the bait. The paper also dismisses the notion that a Vincent Lecavalier or Martin St. Louis-to-Florida-for Roberto Luongo trade isn't very likely.
- According to the Toronto Star, the Leafs' most likely options for starting goaltender are also Giguere and Nabokov. The prime bait would include a young forward like Matt Stajan, Kyle Wellwood or Alexander Steen. The paper also has the Leafs trying to move Ed Belfour and Tie Domi, though their salaries would seem to make that prohibitive. hope the Leafs move Steen so I can cheer for him with a good conscience again!
- While noting that the Ottawa Senators would surely have interest in free agent C Michael Peca, the Ottawa Citizen suggests that Peca would prefer to land in Buffalo or Toronto. Alyn McCauley, Shean Donovan and Steve Rucchin were also mentioned as Senators options.
- The Ottawa Citizen has more Lightning trade options: Anaheim's Jean-Sebastien Giguere, San Jose's Evgeni Nabokov, Buffalo's Martin Biron, Boston's Andrew Raycroft, Montreal's David Aebischer or Vancouver's Dan Cloutier are all possibilities.
- According to the Detroit News, if the Red Wings can't put together an offer for Florida's Roberto Luongo, then Anaheim's Jean-Sebastien Giguere, Buffalo's Martin Biron, Boston's Andrew Raycroft, Philadelphia's Robert Esche, Montreal's David Aebischer and San Jose's Evgeni Nabakov would all be viable alternatives. In order to get Luongo, the paper expects that the Wings would have to offer C Pavel Datsyuk or D Niklas Kronwall with goalie prospect Jimmy Howard. Going further, the Wings might be forced to trade Mathieu Schneider and Robert Lang in order to create room for Luongo's anticipated salary. In an unrelated, though potentially related note, the Detroit Free Press notes that prospect Jiri Hudler, who scored 96 points in the AHL this year, will have to clear waivers if he's going to get sent down again.
- The Los Angeles Times reported that the Kings offered G Mathieu Garon, LW Alexander Frolov and RW Dustin Brown for Luongo. I think that's a really good offer, but the Panthers don't really need forwards. and I think Auld>Garon in the long run
- Rumblings in the New York Post indicate that tight friends Martin Havlat and Patrik Elias could end up in the same locale this summer, with Elias an unrestricted free agent and Havlat a restricted free agent that could be difficult for the Senators to keep.
- The St. Petersburg Times chimes in suggesting that the Lightning are also interested in Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Evgeni Nabokov, in addition to Denis, with Fedotenko and Modin expected to be the bait. The paper also dismisses the notion that a Vincent Lecavalier or Martin St. Louis-to-Florida-for Roberto Luongo trade isn't very likely.
- According to the Toronto Star, the Leafs' most likely options for starting goaltender are also Giguere and Nabokov. The prime bait would include a young forward like Matt Stajan, Kyle Wellwood or Alexander Steen. The paper also has the Leafs trying to move Ed Belfour and Tie Domi, though their salaries would seem to make that prohibitive. hope the Leafs move Steen so I can cheer for him with a good conscience again!
- While noting that the Ottawa Senators would surely have interest in free agent C Michael Peca, the Ottawa Citizen suggests that Peca would prefer to land in Buffalo or Toronto. Alyn McCauley, Shean Donovan and Steve Rucchin were also mentioned as Senators options.
- The Ottawa Citizen has more Lightning trade options: Anaheim's Jean-Sebastien Giguere, San Jose's Evgeni Nabokov, Buffalo's Martin Biron, Boston's Andrew Raycroft, Montreal's David Aebischer or Vancouver's Dan Cloutier are all possibilities.
- According to the Detroit News, if the Red Wings can't put together an offer for Florida's Roberto Luongo, then Anaheim's Jean-Sebastien Giguere, Buffalo's Martin Biron, Boston's Andrew Raycroft, Philadelphia's Robert Esche, Montreal's David Aebischer and San Jose's Evgeni Nabakov would all be viable alternatives. In order to get Luongo, the paper expects that the Wings would have to offer C Pavel Datsyuk or D Niklas Kronwall with goalie prospect Jimmy Howard. Going further, the Wings might be forced to trade Mathieu Schneider and Robert Lang in order to create room for Luongo's anticipated salary. In an unrelated, though potentially related note, the Detroit Free Press notes that prospect Jiri Hudler, who scored 96 points in the AHL this year, will have to clear waivers if he's going to get sent down again.
- The Los Angeles Times reported that the Kings offered G Mathieu Garon, LW Alexander Frolov and RW Dustin Brown for Luongo. I think that's a really good offer, but the Panthers don't really need forwards. and I think Auld>Garon in the long run
- Rumblings in the New York Post indicate that tight friends Martin Havlat and Patrik Elias could end up in the same locale this summer, with Elias an unrestricted free agent and Havlat a restricted free agent that could be difficult for the Senators to keep.
ForzaItalia said:
Most likely the latter. There are so many rumours that Leafs fans will only get their hopes up, just to be dashed at the end of the day. Me, I will be happy with we can get Little or Frolik.
Calder said:
If he trades Steen I will kill him myself. Trade whoever you want JFJ but leave Steen out.
Calder said:
It would be hilarious to see Peca and Tucker on the same team, I would think one of them would kill the other by the time the season is over.
ForzaItalia
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R_GILL said:
Totally agree. Steen stays. I love how he plays. Just find a way to get Domi the **** out of Toronto ASAP!
Kabuki Waq
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R_GILL said:
Honestly its time to trade Sundin and REBUILD. YOu will get good trade Value for sundin right now.
Kabuki Waq
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DopeyFish said:
the jets? where did they play again? i forget
Kabuki Waq said:
Yes, they moved in 1996 to somewhere, can't remember where exactly. 10 years is a loooong time in sports terms, tough to remember stuff that happened much more than 20 years ago at all really.
"Hey guys, get a load of this! We're trying to guess how many decades it'll be before this team wins another Cup! Red Kelly says 80 years, but I'm hopeful it'll be only half that long."
Kabuki Waq
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calder said:
Im pretty sure it will be before Weenypeg gets another NHL team again
Kabuki Waq
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let take a moment to look at the legacy left behind by the Winnipeg Jets:
Stanley Cup Champions:
None
Stanley Cup Finals:
None
NHL Conference Finals:
None
President's Trophy:
None
NHL Division Champions:
None
Playoff Appearences: (11)
1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1996
Stanley Cup Champions:
None
Stanley Cup Finals:
None
NHL Conference Finals:
None
President's Trophy:
None
NHL Division Champions:
None
Playoff Appearences: (11)
1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1996
soundwave05
Member
Kabuki Waq said:let take a moment to look at the legacy left behind by the Winnipeg Jets:
Stanley Cup Champions:
None
Stanley Cup Finals:
None
NHL Conference Finals:
None
President's Trophy:
None
NHL Division Champions:
None
Playoff Appearences: (11)
1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1996
I could be wrong, but looking at that, it looks like Winnipeg made the playoffs more frequently than Toronto did during their NHL tenure. The Jets of the 80s IIRC were much better than the Maple Leafs ... if it wasn't for the Oilers they may have won something.
Fixed, and it's a pretty important category IMO so yes it should count in the Jets favour.Kabuki Waq said:let take a moment to look at the legacy left behind by the Winnipeg Jets:
Stanley Cup Champions:
None
Stanley Cup Finals:
None
NHL Conference Finals:
None
President's Trophy:
None
NHL Division Champions:
None
Playoff Appearences: (11)
1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1996
Had the foresight to run Tie Domi the **** out of town when they had the chance: (1)
1995
Kabuki Waq
Member
calder said:
i edited.
soundwave05
Member
Whatever happened to Dale Hawerchuck?
Canada Cup '87 was awesome.
Canada Cup '87 was awesome.
Ducky raises horses in Ontario and is involved in racing and shit now. He and his wife are noted breeders (heh heh) I believe, and he plays the odd charity game. He's one of those guys who had a great, long if somewhat overshadowed career, got out and started doing something else he loved and seems very happy everytime he's interviewed. Of course, being a retired millionaire in your mid 30's probably makes the whole "finding a new personally rewarding hobby to pass the time" thing pretty easy, but still it's good on him.
Kabuki Waq
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calder said:
well they had to trade Domi once they traded away his best friend Teemu
ForzaItalia
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Just saw this in the WC thread. Thank God hockey isn't even close to being this bad with diving:
dem
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Man... the Oilers are so f'd.
Theres no deal out there that would impact the team like having Pronger on the backend. What a ****ing douche. I always knew he was a jerkoff before he came to edmonton.. but i tried to sweep those feelings under the bed once we got him. F.. what an asshole. Why even sign a fn contract? OH BOOHOO MY WIFE NEEDS TO BE DOWN SOUTH. **** your wife. She didn't know who she was marrying? She didn't know you were going to sign a five year fn deal with the Oilers?? What a fn sham.
I've never seen such a fukjob. At least he fn raised his trade value this season.. oh wait.. he fd that all away when he told the media he wanted out and then RAN THE F OFF TO MEXICO AND LEFT THE OILERS TO DEAL WITH OVERFLOWING SHIT STORM.
The only place that looks like a deal could be made is florida... and they wont deal bouwmeester to the Oilers. The whole fn reason they would want Pronger is to play with Jay. ****. What a total fukkjob...
Give me your first round pick.. Olesz... and Van Ryn.
GO team GO
agsjdhgajlksg#TKJ@#KIjtsdkjsga
Theres no deal out there that would impact the team like having Pronger on the backend. What a ****ing douche. I always knew he was a jerkoff before he came to edmonton.. but i tried to sweep those feelings under the bed once we got him. F.. what an asshole. Why even sign a fn contract? OH BOOHOO MY WIFE NEEDS TO BE DOWN SOUTH. **** your wife. She didn't know who she was marrying? She didn't know you were going to sign a five year fn deal with the Oilers?? What a fn sham.
I've never seen such a fukjob. At least he fn raised his trade value this season.. oh wait.. he fd that all away when he told the media he wanted out and then RAN THE F OFF TO MEXICO AND LEFT THE OILERS TO DEAL WITH OVERFLOWING SHIT STORM.
The only place that looks like a deal could be made is florida... and they wont deal bouwmeester to the Oilers. The whole fn reason they would want Pronger is to play with Jay. ****. What a total fukkjob...
Give me your first round pick.. Olesz... and Van Ryn.
GO team GO
agsjdhgajlksg#TKJ@#KIjtsdkjsga
Kabuki Waq
Member
wait was Teemu traded first or was domi?
soundwave05
Member
dem said:Man... the Oilers are so f'd.
Theres no deal out there that would impact the team like having Pronger on the backend. What a ****ing douche. I always knew he was a jerkoff before he came to edmonton.. but i tried to sweep those feelings under the bed once we got him. F.. what an asshole. Why even sign a fn contract? OH BOOHOO MY WIFE NEEDS TO BE DOWN SOUTH. **** your wife. She didn't know who she was marrying? She didn't know you were going to sign a five year fn deal with the Oilers?? What a fn sham.
I've never seen such a fukjob. At least he fn raised his trade value this season.. oh wait.. he fd that all away when he told the media he wanted out and then RAN THE F OFF TO MEXICO AND LEFT THE OILERS TO DEAL WITH OVERFLOWING SHIT STORM.
The only place that looks like a deal could be made is florida... and they wont deal bouwmeester to the Oilers. The whole fn reason they would want Pronger is to play with Jay. ****. What a total fukkjob...
Give me your first round pick.. Olesz... and Van Ryn.
GO team GO
agsjdhgajlksg#TKJ@#KIjtsdkjsga
Bobby Clarke is dumb enough to make a move and he's under a lot of heat in Philly to do something.
Gange for Pronger ... let Peca walk (not that he's gonna stay anyway, same wifey issues) and then go after one of Ottawa's free agent D-Men.
The Oilers may not neccesarily compete this coming year, but I'm pretty confident. Next time Lowe though make sure the damn wife of the player you're signing knows what the hell she's getting into.
ForzaItalia
Banned
Oh would you guys just shut the **** up already?! Hockey is a business. Period. There is no loyalty. Good for Pronger and his wife. I'm glad he has the balls to stand up and say:
"Get me the **** out of this cesspool of shit and boredom that is Edmonton!!"
"Get me the **** out of this cesspool of shit and boredom that is Edmonton!!"
soundwave05
Member
ForzaItalia said:
I don't really care about loyalty.
It would be nice though if you're going to make a team sign you to a 5 year deal that you make sure you're cool with the city first.
I mean ... that's just asking for basic competence.
Don't put us through the shit of your family soap opera, because like you said it's a business. Well we don't want to deal with that shit either. That's not business, that's personal bullshit.
And it's nice that this guy jets off to Mexico, while we gotta clean up his mess and leaves his agent behind to leak the story to the press.
soundwave05
Member
Toronto should just stick with that kid they had in net at the end of the season. Cloutier :lol .... no, just no.
soundwave05
Member
The Oilers should make sure to get Hemsky, Horcoff, Stoll, etc. hitched with Alberta girls ASAP.
There's slutty blonde trophy wife material galore up here.
Get it done now ... less f-cking drama later on.
There's slutty blonde trophy wife material galore up here.
Get it done now ... less f-cking drama later on.
Kabuki Waq
Member
DopeyFish said:
maybe they can treat him with the respect he deserves and give him the Ice Time a first line forward like himself deserves.
oh i heard him and Koivu are tight yo.
soundwave05
Member
dem said:
WTF ... isn't she from like New Zealand?
Ugh ... models/B-actress. Well at least they're not married, lol.
Gotta love how Janet made sure that Wayne got her pregnant before the marriage, and then like a 100 times afterwards. :lol
Not getting out of that one, Gretz.
Mike Works
Member
Anyone got any current/recent rumors from today or last night now that the draft is a few hours away?
ForzaItalia
Banned
Mike Works said:
Other than Dem in full blown suicide mode...none
Mike Works
Member
hmm, found this:
Redden Close to Re-Signing with Ottawa, Chara Not Far Off? - source: Bruce Garrioch, Ottawa Sun
Redden Close to Re-Signing with Ottawa, Chara Not Far Off? - source: Bruce Garrioch, Ottawa Sun
Mike Works
Member
Dem: This is purely theoretical and I do not see it happening at all, but how would this trade make you feel:
FAKE TRADE
to New York Rangers:
Chris Pronger
Jussi Markkenen
to Edmonton Oilers:
Petr Prucha
Henrik Lundqvist
FAKE TRADE
?
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2 new RUMORS involving Buffalo:
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