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Official October 2008 NPD Results
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Eteric Rice
Member
WrikaWrek said:
To be fair, I played it waaay after it's release. But I didn't think it was anything special.
Jaded Alyx
Member
When did this happen?Vast Inspiration said:
And of course, nothing Nintendo has EVER done has influenced a thing in the industry. Clearly.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Vast Inspiration said:
I love Gears of War, but have you ever played a Namco game called Killswitch? I mean it isn't as good as Gears, but it had the cover system first if I remember correctly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wsW_mqPUFo
Shogmaster
Member
To be fair, I think you are now just spouting shit for shit's sake.Eteric Rice said:
Vast Inspiration
Banned
Gears is the reason why every game has a cover system.
LBP is the reason (since its announcement) that companies are scrambling together to put Web 2.0 features in to their games.
And Fable's technically simplified combat mechanics are something that many devs are leaning towards.
So please, you ignorant babies can save the drivel.
Are you purposely dodging the argument and making yourself look like a brainless shill?
Yes, I am so sure that it was fucking Kill Switch that influenced all other games.
There isn't a rolleyes.gif large enough for some of the crap some of you spew.
LBP is the reason (since its announcement) that companies are scrambling together to put Web 2.0 features in to their games.
And Fable's technically simplified combat mechanics are something that many devs are leaning towards.
So please, you ignorant babies can save the drivel.
Jaded Alyx said:
Are you purposely dodging the argument and making yourself look like a brainless shill?
Rhazer Fusion said:
Yes, I am so sure that it was fucking Kill Switch that influenced all other games.
There isn't a rolleyes.gif large enough for some of the crap some of you spew.
Eteric Rice
Member
Vast Inspiration said:
What are these web 2.0 games?
And Fable? Are you fucking kidding me? As much as I loved Fable II and Fable, both of their combat systems sucked. If you want to give them credit for something, give them credit for the marrage system or something, but the combat?
B-Rad Lascelle
Banned
Any chance we can get the opening post updated to reflect other sales data we've picked up over the past few days? (i.e. MotorStorm 2, Wii Music, Guitar Hero: World Tour, etc.)
Vast Inspiration
Banned
Eteric Rice said:
You think its a coincidence that after LBP's announcement many games have come out with the ability to edit and share content? Everything from Halo 3 to Banjo.
Unlike you, I don't just post rhetoric.
WTF is the "marrage" system? Peter has given numerous keynotes about context-sensitive combat and simplified combat that is easy to pick-up-and-play but is still deep in its implementation. And that was 2 years ago. More and more games ARE leaning towards that approach. Only the likes of you is too stupid to realize that.
Unless Nintendo is shoving PR speak down your throats, you guys can't think for yourselves or what is happening in the industry around you.
I think the reason you don't see many big 3rd party efforts on Wii is not that the publishers think that 3rd party games don't sell as well on Wii.
I think it has more to do with developers not wanting to put their games on Wii, DESPITE the potential to make big money (especially with the rather core-game starved Wii owners).
I believe most developers think that putting their game on Wii would make it an inferior product. Money isn't everything to these guys. Developers want to push the envelope - no, not only in graphics, but graphics are really important too. The next-gen consoles provide more in terms of graphics, sound, AI, physics and online community features. I don't think the Wii control scheme makes enough of a (positive) difference in most games to make it worthwhile over the next-gen advantages. Some great concepts like Trauma Center, Boom Blox and Excitetruck can only work on Wii, but the rest are better off on a next-gen console - including Nintendo's own core games.
I can't help but feel that the Wii is somewhat of a "Golden Cage". Imagine if the teams that made Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess could have made those games on a next-gen console. Even better, imagine if those incredibly talented teams weren't FORCED to make sequel after sequel, forever destined to jack the nostalgia dicks of Nintendo fans.
It's really amazing to see people here defending the Wii by saying the next-gen systems have "recycled, generic shooters and sequels", but at the same time happily swallowing Mario and co. in EVERY SINGLE GAME. You'd think that the Nintendo-fetishism would stop in Smash Bros., but there are so many Mario games it's ridiculous. With all their "revolution" talk, Nintendo are playing it really safe (or really bad, as in Wii Music). Just look at Animal Crossing - tons of missed potential to move that series forward (it should have remained on portables anyway IMO).
I think it has more to do with developers not wanting to put their games on Wii, DESPITE the potential to make big money (especially with the rather core-game starved Wii owners).
I believe most developers think that putting their game on Wii would make it an inferior product. Money isn't everything to these guys. Developers want to push the envelope - no, not only in graphics, but graphics are really important too. The next-gen consoles provide more in terms of graphics, sound, AI, physics and online community features. I don't think the Wii control scheme makes enough of a (positive) difference in most games to make it worthwhile over the next-gen advantages. Some great concepts like Trauma Center, Boom Blox and Excitetruck can only work on Wii, but the rest are better off on a next-gen console - including Nintendo's own core games.
I can't help but feel that the Wii is somewhat of a "Golden Cage". Imagine if the teams that made Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess could have made those games on a next-gen console. Even better, imagine if those incredibly talented teams weren't FORCED to make sequel after sequel, forever destined to jack the nostalgia dicks of Nintendo fans.
It's really amazing to see people here defending the Wii by saying the next-gen systems have "recycled, generic shooters and sequels", but at the same time happily swallowing Mario and co. in EVERY SINGLE GAME. You'd think that the Nintendo-fetishism would stop in Smash Bros., but there are so many Mario games it's ridiculous. With all their "revolution" talk, Nintendo are playing it really safe (or really bad, as in Wii Music). Just look at Animal Crossing - tons of missed potential to move that series forward (it should have remained on portables anyway IMO).
Rhazer Fusion said:
But then you get into the question of which is more important - the initial innovation or the product that brought it to the masses.
Elvis Presley didn't create Rock and Roll, but he put it in the limelight, and that's why he's the King.
SMB wasn't the first platformer, but it was the first to hit really big. I don't think you'd find anyone who wouldn't agree that SMB is a landmark title.
Mithos
Member
Shogmaster said:
This my friends is always the answer you receive when you don't like a game others think is god's gift to gamers.
It happened with Halo, Metroid Prime, and many more games, and it will keep being an answer you/we'll get for a long time, if not forever when not liking the same game as others, when the game have gotten good reviews and scores.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.Vast Inspiration said:
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Really? It wasn't a bad game but I had more fun with Mocap Boxing in the arcade than any of those Wii Sports mini-games.RJT said:
RJT said:
Wii Sports is such an excellent game. It's fun and easy to pick up and play. Most importantly though it changed the perception of people coming to my house from "oh, you play videogames..... ugh" to "oh you have videogames, let's play!"
I don't see what is wrong with that but GAF finds something terrible about it.
There are awesome games on all three systems but people are so dead set against things that they will discount a whole console's lineup out of spite and miss out on some great experiences.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
WTF, I didn't know I was in PS3forums.
Mithos
Member
Cromat said:
But that would just be the same old same old but with prettier graphics. I don't think the gameplay would have changed just because it's on a next-gen hardware.
We all drool about what crazy games Nintendo could have done if the Wii have had better hardware specs a.la Ps360.
Those who lives will see what happens in the future with "Wii 2".
gregor7777
Banned
Vast Inspiration said:
I've asked this before, but what in the world happens in these PS3 hype threads to breed such...insanity? WTF is going on here
Who cares what LittleBigPlanet caused or is causing other games to do?
It's so on a different plane than ANY game on any console that developers would be stupid not to emulate it.
If you haven't played LBP, you can't appreciate how much more it does compared to any console game ever made.
You can't even name an announced game with a creation system as robust.
It's so on a different plane than ANY game on any console that developers would be stupid not to emulate it.
If you haven't played LBP, you can't appreciate how much more it does compared to any console game ever made.
You can't even name an announced game with a creation system as robust.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Vast Inspiration said:
I politely ask you to leave this thread.
Amir0x said:
Post of the thread.
It's absolutely disheartening to see a company as versatile and talented as Nintendo, come up mostly short as far as flexing their creative juices with new IPs, on a console who's main purpose was to do just that. Instead we get retread after retread (and I don't think anyone is arguing the quality of said retreads, but we'd like to visit new kingdoms along side the old ones).
It's maddening when you see something like Metroid Prime 3, Batallion Wars, or even Disaster, get treated like Ubisoft shovelware (scratch that; Ubisoft puts more effort into advertising their shovelware), while stuff like Wii music is brought center stage.
Folks saying, "we'll see great new IPs, just you wait" are no different to me than those sorry PS3 apologists making the claim, "Wait till THIS game comes out!".
We're almost 3 years in for crying out loud. It's kinda sad that the 3rd party efforts have eclipsed Nintendo in providing new compelling software that makes me realize WHY I was excited for this console to begin with.
Zelda is fine, Mario is nice, Smash is fun.....but I can only take so much.
I can't believe that in their most successful situation, I like this company the least I ever have. Nintendo during the gamecube days; I miss you.
_Alkaline_
Member
Ugh. As much as I love LBP, I don't feel the same way about some of its fans, that's for sure.
Trust me, you don't.
kingroin said:
Trust me, you don't.
ViperVisor
Member
LBP can lean on an editor so hard cause it is on a system that is going to have a HDD 100% of the time.
That should of been standard this gen, but I do dislike how it is a crutch to patch fix things later and not getting it right from the start.
That should of been standard this gen, but I do dislike how it is a crutch to patch fix things later and not getting it right from the start.
_Alkaline_ said:
I said it before, but the overhype is actually making me like the game less because it's forcing me to pinpoint flaws that I wouldn't notice otherwise.
Tiktaalik said:
The sharing/community aspects are indeed fresh and should be emulated by later game makers, but that's as far as I'm willing to go.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Speevy said:
Unless, you know, the format doesn't end up being rewarding.
Not calling LBP a failure commercially, but it's still too early to say it has to be emulated at all costs.
Vast Inspiration
Banned
It's like some of you live in a vacuum. Ok, I take it back. LBP's insane hype since the very day it was shown has done absolutely nothing to influence ANY of these other games that have included the very features it was touting.
Nope, nothing at all.
:lol
Nope, nothing at all.
:lol
Vast Inspiration said:
Well, it's highly unlikely it influenced Halo 3 seeing as it released a mere six months after LBP's announcement. Unless of course you think Forge was conceived, designed, implemented and tested within 6 months of the game's release, in which case I need Bungie's address so I could send them a letter congratulating them on being the most efficient software developers on the face of the planet.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Amir0x said:
How many games does SONY or Microsoft produce that have had the effort of Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, or Smash Bros.?
Yes I know they make stuff like Heavenly Sword and Warhawk but do any of those games even compare to Nintendo's top-tier? The only games that I can even think of are Little Big Planet and Resistance from SONY and I don't even know what from Microsoft (I guess Gears? But EPIC isn't owned by Microsoft.)
Nintendo doesn't launch new IP's for the same exact reason why Blizzard and Square-Enix rarely launch new IP's. They already have a broad and vast away of big hit franchises. Nintendo just does what they always do, they launch their big budget top-tier while experimenting with little new games. And if a little new game does well THEN Nintendo gives them the uppty. Super Smash Bros. was suppose to be a Japanese only release, it wasn't until it blew up that Nintendo decide to take it aggressively. And Animal Crossing was in similar shoes. I can even go all the way back to the SNES with this, NES even. The only recent exception I can even think of is Pikmin in which I don't think that met Nintendo's expectations.
SONY and Microsoft however DO NOT have that strong of a first party line-up at all. SONY has Gran Turismo as well as clings on to Naughty Dog and Insomniac (for good reason too because they are both excellent developers). As for Microsoft well they have Halo, Gears, and Forza but outside of that they usually just merely publish games. My point is that Nintendo rarely releases new IP's because well they don't need to. They have over a dozen "big" game series to release in which that cover all spectrums but the RPG. SONY does it because well face it they really didn't have anything, SONY mostly relied on third parties because the PS2 and PSX had god-tier libraries. The PS3 is the first time in a while that SONY has to fend for themselves and even after all this time they don't have much to show for it in terms of "ground breaking mass production games".
I mean I see where you are going here. But in the world of business it's not wise to kill a success in order to replace it with a risk, nor is it wise to bet too many wagers at once.
I'm not saying that it isn't right that Nintendo won't launch a new "hardcore" IP for its fanbase to enjoy (the last one was Pikmin and before that...Star Fox?). I'm just saying that there is an "excuse" for your topic.
Just my 2 cents.
Sorry for quoting you so much but your posts are so interesting.
jman2050 said:
I'll tell you why it isn't.
The reason consoles exist is because they offer convenience and accessibility.
PC games have for years offered editors, mods, stats, and generally a way to tweak your gameplay experience to your liking.
The reason they usually don't make console games this way is both the method of input and because players don't want to spend hours in boring menus. They want to get to the gameplay.
In LBP, the tweaking is accessible, fun, and it bridges the gap between those two worlds.
You need to work to make a worthwhile level, but the endeavor doesn't require a programmer's knowledge or obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Changing console games makes a difference, because the editors and tools of PC gaming's past will be long forgotten when accessible replacements for them are seen on consoles. It's only a matter of time.
Vast Inspiration said:
Yup thats about right
Ami mentioned Gears. Clearly it has influenced a lot of games, especially those with cover systems. However that influence was only felt after the game launch and the cover system proved to be an excellent mechanic. Halo 3 was never influenced by LBP
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Vast Inspiration said:
What insane hype??
In PS3 forums, yes.
In GAF sure.
Everywhere else: what the fuck is LBP?
If the game had insane hype (which is the level of hype of a MGS, GTA or Halo game), it would have sold MUCH better in it's first two days.