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Phoenix said:
Companies that made software that could rip DVDs directly have been taken to court already and stopped doing it.

I was talking about end users, but OK. I know that the DVD decrypter author has been forced to stop updating that software, but DVD Shrink I think is still going strong and still updating AFAIK.


Nope, not even once.

..... You don't deserve that space rummy avatar. FOR SHAME SIR!


Which is at the time completely irrelevant. It is illegal to sell software (actually illegal to provide it as well) that circumvents copy protection. This subject is about iTunes ripping DVDs so the focus is narrow. Apple won't be doing it until they have a business relationship with the copyright owners for distro of non-CSS'd content. That is the reality of the space today.

And that's why many people will continue to torrant files of movies into devices like the iPod Video. And MPAA continues to throws out the baby with the bath water.
 
I'm also someone worried about the battery life. Has anybody used this:

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"The Belkin Battery Pack keeps the music playing by letting you power your iPod device with replaceable batteries - even when your internal battery is drained."

Impressions?

Any other little products to help the battery?
 
For the same price as the 60GB you can get one of these:

http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=210&subcategory=211&product=12985

Then you get 3,7" TFT, with 640*480 resolution, instead of 2,5" with 320*240
And you will get support for AVI, MPEG-1/2/4-SP, Windows Media™ Video (WMV) 9, Motion-JPEG, DivX™2 4 and 5 and XviD3, instead of just MPEG-4

And you will get up to 4,5Hours of video, instead of just 3.

Bad thing is that you only will get 30GB hdd, instead of 60GB, and it will be a bit
bigger in your pants. =)

Saying that Ipod Video will replace the PSP sounds like.. well,.. you cant play Ridge Racers on the Ipod, but you will be able to play movies on the PSP.
 
Definitely won't replace my PSP for video playback with that screen size...

...but I think it may be time for my ipod to "start freezing every so often" and "only play music in left channel occasionally" so I can get it replaced and then upgraded to this one.

Question though, video files, what format? do you have to use .mov, if so, that would suck.
 
Tabris said:
Definitely won't replace my PSP for video playback with that screen size...

...but I think it may be time for my ipod to "start freezing every so often" and "only play music in left channel occasionally" so I can get it replaced and then upgraded to this one.

Question though, video files, what format? do you have to use .mov, if so, that would suck.

It accepts .mov, .mp4, and .m4v(drm mp4).
 
AndreasNystrom said:
Saying that Ipod Video will replace the PSP sounds like.. well,.. you cant play Ridge Racers on the Ipod, but you will be able to play movies on the PSP.
and you can buy last night's lost for the psp? wait. how do you get last night's lost to the psp? is there any easy way to do it that isn't blatantly illegal?

why do people always seem to think that hardware specs are a strict measure of the quality of one device over another? nowadays there are services and subscriptions behind your typical device that have to be evaluated also for the full understanding of how good or bad a device is.

it's like saying the xbox is better than the ps2 because it is more powerful, but completely discounting the sheer volume of exclusive AAA titles on the PS2. it's now just about the hardware anymore on these devices.
 
borghe said:
and you can buy last night's lost for the psp? wait. how do you get last night's lost to the psp? is there any easy way to do it that isn't blatantly illegal?

why do people always seem to think that hardware specs are a strict measure of the quality of one device over another? nowadays there are services and subscriptions behind your typical device that have to be evaluated also for the full understanding of how good or bad a device is.

it's like saying the xbox is better than the ps2 because it is more powerful, but completely discounting the sheer volume of exclusive AAA titles on the PS2. it's now just about the hardware anymore on these devices.

There is no legal way without owning the dvd of that season of television.

Is that really what is stopping you though? There's nothing you can't put on PSP.
 
soundwave05 said:
I don't think a lot of people go "wow, I have to buy that Nokia brand phone!"

8800 disagrees. :P

The question is, how long will the iPod aesthetic be desireable for the masses? Personally, I won't buy one until the tech behind it starts beating out other players.
 
Also, it's legal if you recorded a tv show then converted it on the computer to an mp4 and then placed it on your portable player right?

As long as you were the one doing the recording? Wasn't there that whole lawsuit battle in the 80's regarding that and VHS?
 
Tabris said:
There is no legal way without owning the dvd of that season of television.
no, it is not legal (in america) even IF you own the DVDs. DeCSS is circumventing a copyright security coutermesure. It will only ever be legal if the MPAA licenses the method to a company and makes it legal.

Is that really what is stopping you though? There's nothing you can't put on PSP.
again, legally? I am talking about the broader picture here. Think outside of these forums and your tech friends. We are talking about a PSP kille rhere. For the average person, backing up your DVDs is not convenient (nor legal). Downloading an episode from iTunes is both. Until you can do that for PSP, iPod will win. Oh, and how much is it per episode for Lost on PSP?

Tabris said:
That's 48 bucks for an entire season.
$35. You should research things before trying to debunk them. Both Housewives and Lost have their Season Ones available on iTMS for $35.
Why waste the money when you can buy the real dvd once the season is over?
because there is no legal (nor convenient) way to get that DVD on to your PSP or iPod.
Tabris said:
Also, it's legal if you recorded a tv show then converted it on the computer to an mp4 and then placed it on your portable player right?
lol.. umm.. yeah. now you are making it even more complicated. Hell, I can download my shows directly from my Tivo over FTP and that STILL isn't entirely convenient.

It's so funny, because much of the time I am on the other side of this argument for computers. One of those who likes/d my power and hates seeing it become easier and more friendly for the "stupid" consumer. But on this I can see it. I can see the differences between the PSP as a media player and the ipod as one when it goes beyond the hardware. If the PSP had a service out like iTMS, it would be a hell of a lot closer to winning the battle definiteively. But as long as average joe has to go to a torrent site, download a movie, reencode it to H.264/AAC, or even worse, try to find a pirate PSP site that makes movies (and probably games) available for download directly for the PSP, iPod will win (the media player battle that is).
 
The trouble with convergence with phones is managing to combine ease-of-use of a phone with the ease-of-use for all the other features. Just having to have a keypad for a phone puts limits on what you can do interface-wise in the space. Until someone finds a way round that I don't think people will be dumping iPods and mp3 players in general for phones. Ease-of-use usually wins out.

And as far as Nokia goes, they pack in the features but still manage to cock it up in some other way, usually marketing. Their image is either geektoy or chav. SonyEricsson are more of a threat with the Walkman brand, but again I don't think phones will be killing off everything else in the near future.
 
Tabris said:
That's 48 bucks for an entire season.

Why waste the money when you can buy the real dvd once the season is over?

It looks like as far as TV shows go, Apple may be offering discounts for whole seasons. Lost season 1 is $34 on iTMS.
 
I'm kinda dumb when it comes to video formats and all that stuff so I have a question. If I already have MP4s that are converted for my PSP will it be as simple as putting those on this new ipod and playing? Thanks.
 
AZYUMA86 said:
I'm kinda dumb when it comes to video formats and all that stuff so I have a question. If I already have MP4s that are converted for my PSP will it be as simple as putting those on this new ipod and playing? Thanks.

The iPod understands H.264 just fine. The resolution MIGHT be an issue, but the bigger thorn in your side would be getting the iPod to see it. You can't just dump files on, you never could. iTunes needs to write an XML file to the thing, and then the OS just goes off of that.

So if it's in a compatible format (H.264/MPEG-4), and iTunes copies it over without a problem, theoretically there shouldn't be an issue. We won't know anything for certain until next week.
 
resolutions the ipod understands are 320x240 for H.264 video (PSP format), and 480x480 for MPEG-4 format (assuming this is pre-H.264 like Divx, Xvid, etc). I am assuming those are max resolutions, meaning you can throw a 480x270 video and it will work fine.

To play video on the ipod right now you need to copy it into itunes first. just drop it into itunes and it will automatically stick it in Videos. then it will sync it with your 5G ipod.
 
Ugh, I can't decide if I should get this or a Nano. I like the size and flash of the Nano (since I'll mainly use it when running), but I fell ridiculous paying nearly the same amount for 4gig when for $20 more I could get 30Gig. Are the new Ipods wider than the old ones? My brother has a previous (pre-video) regular 30Gig Ipod he may let me buy off of him, which would probably be alright for my purposes - damn you Apple!
 
Here is an excellent post from mac pundit John Gruber:

http://daringfireball.net/2005/10/brief_observations


The new iPods do not support FireWire. Not just no FireWire cables in the box; no FireWire, period. Such is the price of smaller and thinner, I suppose.

Highest capacity iPod is still 60 GB. There certainly exists a market of people who want larger capacity iPods (I know at least four people personally who can’t fit their entire libraries on a 60 GB drive — and I don’t have many friends), but I don’t think Apple sees this as a significant selling point. Thinner and lighter seems to be what Apple thinks will sell — and judging by the Nano’s popularity, they’re almost certainly right.

The remote jack is gone from the iPods; the only I/O ports are the headphone jack and Dock connector. Peripheral makers like Griffin seem to have been already shifting toward using the Dock connector for things like FM transmitters and voice recorders, but existing peripherals that use the remote jack aren’t going to work.

The click wheel on the new iPods looks slightly smaller to me. Combined with the larger screen, this makes it look as though the width and height of the iPod have grown — it looks wider but thinner than previous iPods. But the height and width are in fact the same as before: 4.1×2.4 inches.

The gadget is called “Apple Remote”; the software for your Mac is called “Front Row”. (I.e. the remote itself is not called Front Row.)

Apple’s web site doesn’t make this obvious, but the Apple Remote is available separately, for $29. Shipping in “2–3 weeks”, at this writing, which probably explains why they’re not promoting it as a standalone item yet. However, “The Apple Remote requires the iPod Universal Dock and any iPod with a Dock connector.”

The remote attaches to the new iMac by magnetism.

The Apple Remote uses IR to communicate with the Universal Dock, and, I’m guessing, with the iMac. But where is the IR port on the iMac? Part of the built-in iSight? The lack of a visible IR port on the iMac has led some people to speculate that the remote supports Bluetooth, but if that were the case, it ought to work with any Bluetooth-capable Mac.

Dial-up is dying: the new iMacs no longer ship with built-in modems, or even have the option of a built-in modem. Instead, Apple is selling cute little $49 USB modems, if you need one.

iTunes 5, we hardly knew you. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an entire x.0 version number series go by so quickly. I mean, shit, iTunes 5 was only released one month ago. I just can’t see why this isn’t called iTunes 5.1.

The full-screen UI of Front Row is just begging to be hooked up to a TV. Begging. Now that there exists a “video iPod”, the next new “Apple has to be working on this” mega-rumor is going to revolve around how Apple plans to bring this Front Row UI to your TV. What’s interesting about this is that while Apple has a reputation for making spectacular announcements, their long-term strategy for a media entertainment platform is unfolding incrementally.

$1.99 for each TV show, in only 320×240 resolution, doesn’t seem like a good deal to me. I already get these shows with my cable TV; paying for them again in a crummy low-res format strikes me as a bad deal — like if you had to pay for songs you already own on CD. Of course, I think ringtones sound like a bad deal, too, but people buy billions of them.

And so much for “the year of High Definition Video” — 320×240 not only isn’t HD, it’s too low to look good on regular (non-HD) TVs. It would appear as though Apple really expects you to watch these shows on the iPod itself.

The new iMacs now come with DDR2 RAM.

Battery life of 60 GB iPod: 20 hours of music;
battery life of 30 GB iPod: 14 hours of music.

However, battery life for video playback on the 30 and 60 GB iPods is a mere “up to two hours” and “up to three hours”, respectively. That sounds sort of skimpy to me, but perhaps it’s just a reinforcement of Jobs’s statement that the iPods are still primarily about playing audio.

Stunt Software already had a Mac utility named PhotoBooth; it’s an app for printing photos. It even garnered a 4-mouse review Macworld.

Photo Booth (note that Apple’s app has a space in the name) is not available for download; I wish it were available to anyone with an iSight. I hope it’s not something they’re reserving for new machines with built-in cameras.

I’m sitting here looking at my year-old 40 GB iPod and the thing looks like a relic.

The TV shows on the ITMS are only available in the U.S.

Many people thought it was curious when Jon Rubinstein moved from head of Apple’s Mac hardware division to lead the newly-created iPod division in May 2004. It seemed like a bit of a demotion — as head of the Mac division, Rubinstein oversaw engineering of all Mac hardware, everything from the iMacs to PowerBooks to Power Macs. As head of the iPod division, he’d oversee engineering, of, well, portable FireWire hard drive music players.

But noboody thinks this is curious or any sort of demotion now — Apple is simply kicking ass with iPod hardware engineering. In just one year, they’ve dramatically shrunk the thickness, added a larger full color screen, increased capacity, increased battery life, and added photo and video playback. Which is not even to mention how much better the Nano is than the iPod Mini. I’m hard-pressed to think of any other hardware company doing as much innovative product design and engineering as Apple’s iPod division.

The iTunes 6 “LCD” status display has switched to a subtle gradient background; in iTunes 5, they used a two-toned “glass” background, which many people found distracting. (I didn’t mind it, but the new appearance looks better.)

I love the way that the new iPods look like siblings to the iPod Nanos; it always bothered me that the iPod Mini didn’t much resemble the regular white iPods.
 
Dial-up is dying: the new iMacs no longer ship with built-in modems, or even have the option of a built-in modem. Instead, Apple is selling cute little $49 USB modems, if you need one.

That's interesting. I hadn't even heard of that. Any other computer manufacturers dropped modems yet?
 
bridegur said:
I'm sure this has been discussed, but does the new iTunes allow video importing? If so, how do you do it?
you cannot create/convert video with the new itunes. you can take compliant video (mp4, m4v, or mov) and drag and drop it into your library though. from their it will sync to your 5G ipod.
 
Probably pretty close to the release date. They are certainly coming soon... they are at end of cycle but it could be anytime in the next 60 days.
 
Well that's a lot to argue with and don't have time for it right now. Also, honestly, I agree with you on the whole bringing it to consumers. But for -myself-, there's no reason for an iPod video when I can "get" movies and television shows and transfer them to my PSP (with the much better screen) with ease.

...regarding this one though...

$35. You should research things before trying to debunk them. Both Housewives and Lost have their Season Ones available on iTMS for $35.

Yes, an entire season may be 35, but if you're doing as the poster I was responding to was suggestion, you would be buying an episode each time it came out. Thus 2 dollars each episode. Thus 48 dollars. So why would I need to research that?
 
Phoenix said:
Probably pretty close to the release date. They are certainly coming soon... they are at end of cycle but it could be anytime in the next 60 days.

I am hoping that the 3-5 day ship date tells us that'll be much sooner than later.
 
Yeah, I can't wait!!

I can finally order my 23'' Flat Screen with state of the art low end PowerMac + 1.5Gig ram... let's just hope they are ready to ship them right away...

Then I have to wait 2-3 weeks for the IT people at my job to set it up for our network, ugh.
 
i wish i could say i can buy one :(

just window shopping for me :)

I did buy my girlfriend an ipod nano
my girlfriend's iPod finally shipped and I can't keep my eyes off the fedex tracker...

SHENZHEN CN

never knew it was coming out off China
 
Smiles and Cries said:
i wish i could say i can buy one :(

just window shopping for me :)

I did buy my girlfriend an ipod nano
my girlfriend's iPod finally shipped and I can't keep my eyes off the fedex tracker...

SHENZHEN CN

never knew it was coming out off China

Yeah, Apple ships iPods direct from the factory.
 
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