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[Tqaulity]

Thanks to some early access users, the final PS5 PRO system specs have leaked straight from the manual. The screenshot below is from
a Brazilian model (embargo be damned oversees) but some interesting highlights here:

1. GPU is 16.7 TFLOPs (that just the +67% CUs that Sony mentioned). Dual Issue TFLOPS is 16.7 x 2= 33.4 TFLOPS. This seems to confirm that the GPU clock speed is the same as the base (no mention of a boost mode)
2. Still 8C/16T Zen 2 CPU (we knew this)
3. Here is something new: an additional 2GB of DDR5 is present for the OS. Total system RAM is now 18GB!
4. There are still no published clock speeds (probably implying that they are the same)

So on the whole, this is what an additional $250 gets you:

• 2GB more RAM
• 28% faster memory
• 2TB storage
• 67% larger GPU
• RDNA 4 advanced ray tracing
• AI powered PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR)
• Ultra boost mode for PS4 and PS5 games
• System wide image enhancement for PS4 titles
• Wifi 7
• Bluetooth 5.1
• Smaller more efficient form factor

Still not worth it?

 

[Draugoth]

I saw a unit when i went to look for PC parts today. It was being sold for $1120 lol

 

[West Texas CEO]

how dare you

 

[Lagspike_exe]

That means the bandwith available to games should also be higher than the advertised, as OS calls to RAM will go to the extra 2GB DDR5 instead.

 

[bitbydeath]

Hoping to walk-in and pick one up next weekend.

 

[MaKTaiL]

Brazil leaking everything apparently (and I live here). Still waiting for mine

 

[lh032]

i think the extra separate, ram pool and faster memory for devs is going to contribute on the enhancement as well.

 

[Radical_3d]

That means the bandwith available to games should also be higher than the advertised, as OS calls to RAM will go to the extra 2GB DDR5 instead.

That probably explains why in some cases the Pro performs better than expected. Still not sure if this is not fake but big if 16GB @ full speed is true.

 

[SonGoku]

Very interesting they added 2GB DDR5 possibly to free more GDDR6 for games, i wonder why Cerny didn't mention this
Unless its just the 2TB SSD ram buffer which i think might be

Still not worth it?

No, this should be $550 at most without drive and feet

Cant wait for AMD to formally announce RDNA4 so we can get in depth information about the Pro GPU

 

[M1chl]

400W peak power draw, that's quite a lot for a console. Well good, I though there is some limitation (I know people were throwing 300W back in 2020) how much you can do with such device. Good to hear

 

[Bojji]

Still not worth it?

Still? Something changed since Cerny announcement?

PS5 pro will be worth it when some big ass game drops that is different enough vs standard PS5 (could be GTA 6). Bundle with disc drive would be nice as well.

 

[vkbest]

Very interesting they added 2GB DDR5 possibly to free more GDDR6 for games, i wonder why Cerny didn't mention this
Unless its just the 2TB SSD ram buffer which i think might be

No, this should be $550 at most without drive and feet

Cant wait for AMD to formally announce RDNA4 so we can get in depth information about the Pro GPU

Surely the system is running in GDDR6 yet, and they are using DDR as cache, like they did in PS4 Pro.

 

[ShakenG]

Worth it to me and honestly cant wait for Thursday. I reckon that dedicated ram for os was a wise choice too. Did they do something like that for base PS5 or am i thinking of something else?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Ok so it was May of last year I shared the TF number

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I'm ready for mine to ship to the son of bitch horse house

 

[Lagspike_exe]

That probably explains why in some cases the Pro performs better than expected. Still not sure if this is not fake but big if 16GB @ full speed is true.

I think there were slides somewhere that showed how CPU access influences available GDDR bandwith on PS4. IIRC, any CPU read/write to GDDR actually led to a higher decrease to GDDR BW than the actual CPU read/write due to congestion. As such, switching OS to DDR5 could actually result in quite a bit of an increase to available GDDR bandwith. This should help a lot for BW-limited scenarios.

 

[Vyse]

Super excited. Got my disk drive last month!

 

[ShakenG]

Ok so it was May of last year I shared the TF number

Random nobody here.. just throwing in a guess of 15 - 16 TF if we are using that general metric. For reasons i cant explain, maybe a hunch. Im not expecting anything around 20 TF.
And Sony need it to be worthy of a PRO title so it cant be to small of a jump.
(Not expecting 12 -13.)
Im sure ive made guesses in the past but this is where i sit as of now.

My guess too.

HeisenbergFX4

 

[Radical_3d]

Sooooooo…
I was curious and made some quick searches and maths. The 45% increase in performance never added at to me since the 28% increase in memory bandwidth was always going to be the limiting factor. The PS5 allocates 2,5GB for system memory. That’s about 15,6% of the total bandwidth of the system. So about 70GB/s. If you subtract that to the whole memory system the gains are closer to 52% in memory bandwidth, which gets us closer to that 45% figure. Give or take a few inefficiencies and probably that’s where that figure comes from.

 

[Killer8]

None of it matters.

It could be a supercomputer and people would still bitch and moan because of the sticker shock.

Rational breakdowns of component costs? Who cares. Comparisons with the price of equivalent PC hardware? Ok egghead.

None of that generates clicks like a disgruntled Youtube thumbnail does.

 

[saintjules]

I thought this was posted already??

 

[Synastry]

Can someone explain this specs to me in a more simple term? Are they good mild or bad for the price?

 

[saintjules]

None of it matters.

It could be a supercomputer and people would still bitch and moan because of the sticker shock.

Rational breakdowns of component costs? Who cares. Comparisons with the price of equivalent PC hardware? Ok egghead.

None of that generates clicks like a disgruntled Youtube thumbnail does.

It's called Brokie mentality.

PS. They all have bad breath most likely.

 

[Radical_3d]

Can someone explain this specs to me in a more simple term? Are they good mild or bad for the price?

PS5 is better value for the money still. Specially outside the US. But right now is the only console free from the shackles of FSR. How much those blocky artefacts are worth depends on you.

 

[Gamerguy84]

Can someone explain this specs to me in a more simple term? Are they good mild or bad for the price?

Good for me, for what I expected. If you've got a PS5 basically take quality mode and make it 60fps in most cases. That probably gets better as they go further down the road with PSSR.

Better RT but it's still too taxing on any system. An RT slider for some games so you can balance that out with the amount you.want along with other graphical enhancements.

A 2TB internal NVMe drive.

Pretty good stuff for the opener. I'm most excited for PSSR and what it brings. But.also to play FF7r in better detail and others.

Also something that sharpens PS4 games. I'm not familiar with what this is yet.

 

[DinoD]

Ok so it was May of last year I shared the TF number

C'mon mate! Just a lucky guess

 

[Sleepwalker]

Hoping to walk-in and pick one up next weekend.

Yeah I ended up shunning pre orders since I missed the 30th anniversary bundle. I'll just pick one up when I can find one in store.

 

[DinoD]

Could GPU still be RDNA2 with tacked on RDNA4 RT? Don't shoot me, ok!

 

[Gaiff]

Very interesting they added 2GB DDR5 possibly to free more GDDR6 for games, i wonder why Cerny didn't mention this
Unless its just the 2TB SSD ram buffer which i think might be

No, this should be $550 at most without drive and feet

Cant wait for AMD to formally announce RDNA4 so we can get in depth information about the Pro GPU

You're not wrong, but the manufacturing prices keep going up and the customers have to pay the price. I think it's too expensive for what it offers, but it's still the best piece of gaming hardware value-wise.

Could GPU still be RDNA2 with tacked on RDNA4 RT? Don't shoot me, ok!

Have it on good authority that PS5 is actually RDNA 0.5 and Pro is RDNA 1.5.

 

[Xyphie]

Unless its just the 2TB SSD ram buffer which i think might be

Probably exactly what it is. They have a larger SSD, so they need a larger FTL cache for the controller.

 

[digdug2]

It's wild to me that the PS5 Pro has over an additional Xbox One X's worth of power over the base PS5.

Whether or not it's worth the $250 is subjective, and everyone will feel differently about it. I'm personally stoked to get one next week.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Here is something new: an additional 2GB of DDR5 is present for the OS. Total system RAM is now 18GB!

OS seems fast already, is PS5 Pro even faster?

 

[SonGoku]

Surely the system is running in GDDR6 yet, and they are using DDR as cache, like they did in PS4 Pro.

That would be the best case scenario, and I hope is the case as that would free precious GDDR6 used by the system to now be available for games
But im wondering that 2GB DDR5 couldn't possibly be the SSD cache? I know for example the 990 Pro 2TB drive uses 2GB DDR4 SDRAM as cache

Probably exactly what it is. They have a larger SSD, so they need a larger FTL cache for the controller.

Yeah it matches 2GB for 2TB capacity ratio SSD companies use
Cant help but think Cerny would have brought it up if it was system ram added to free GDDR6 allocation to games

 

[paolo11]

One thing I want to ask and it’s not important. Are the ps5 pro consoles made all in china or some in Japan like the ps5 base disc?

 

[Gaiff]

OS seems fast already, is PS5 Pro even faster?

Not necessarily. GDDR isn’t that well suited as a memory for system in part due to its much higher latency. It works for consoles due to the much lighter OS. What this could mean is that the PS5 has an extra 2GB of VRAM for the games because now, 2GB of DDR is used for the OS. Instead of 12.5GB available for games, it’ll have 14.5GB. I vaguely recall such a figure during the leaks and we were all wondering where it was coming from since the Pro and regular PS5 both have 16GB of GDDR6.

 

[Topher]

Ok so it was May of last year I shared the TF number

Pffft. That's nothing. I shared the TF way back in 2022. Where you been?

 

[DinoD]

Have it on good authority that PS5 is actually RDNA 0.5 and Pro is RDNA 1.5.

Smart ass

 

[//DEVIL//]

Zen 2??

PS5 pro is still based on Zen 2? is this for real ? and they are asking 700$ for it ?

what a scam man...

 

[ShakenG]

Zen 2??

PS5 pro is still based on Zen 2? is this for real ? and they are asking 700$ for it ?

what a scam man...

CPU wise, its been expected for a long time. Bit late to be concerned about this no?

 

[//DEVIL//]

CPU wise, its been expected for a long time. Bit late to be concerned about this no?

Neither concerned nor do care. It's just amazing how Sony can get away with stuff and fanboys are just sheep following. at least Zen3 for a system that is being released 4 years since your last Zen 2 console.

I really hope it flop sales and marketing-wise. I'm not too fond of this trend.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The two extra gigs of ram is the same speed or is it different like the PS4 Pro which got a additional 1GB?

Also... do the devs still get the additional 1GB freed up or was that said because it had two extra?
If so devs should have a additional 3GB's to work with right?

 

[ShakenG]

Neither concerned nor do care. It's just amazing how Sony can get away with stuff and fanboys are just sheep following. at least Zen3 for a system that is being released 4 years since your last Zen 2 console.

I really hope it flop sales and marketing-wise. I'm not too fond of this trend.

So everyone that disagrees with you and buys this is just a fanboy? Ok.

 

[Fake]

Very interesting they added 2GB DDR5 possibly to free more GDDR6 for games, i wonder why Cerny didn't mention this

A clever move to be honest. Hope Cerny is on PS6 project as well.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Zen 2??

PS5 pro is still based on Zen 2? is this for real ? and they are asking 700$ for it ?

what a scam man...

Don't buy it?

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Zen 2??

PS5 pro is still based on Zen 2? is this for real ? and they are asking 700$ for it ?

what a scam man...

Just spend your days yelling at clouds and let the rest of us enjoy much better image quality.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Very interesting they added 2GB DDR5 possibly to free more GDDR6 for games, i wonder why Cerny didn't mention this
Unless its just the 2TB SSD ram buffer which i think might be

No, this should be $550 at most without drive and feet

Cant wait for AMD to formally announce RDNA4 so we can get in depth information about the Pro GPU

Oh I didn't see this.
So the extra two must be for the OS/UI like the PS4 Pro's extra 1GB.

 

[Topher]

Zen 2??

PS5 pro is still based on Zen 2? is this for real ? and they are asking 700$ for it ?

what a scam man...

I'm buying it for the upgraded GPU and the ML components so games don't have to look like shit with FSR any more.

That's worth it to me. Not for you?

 

[//DEVIL//]

So everyone that disagrees with you and buys this is just a fanboy? Ok.

Of course not, there are hardcore gamers that buy everything, to others this is their first PS5. but we are not a majority of gamers. casual and fanboys are sadly.

Hope anyone looking towards it enjoys it. I have no ill feelings toward anyone who wants it lol.

I just hope it doesnt have any success in general. sue me lol.

I'm buying it for the upgraded GPU and the ML components so games don't have to look like shit with FSR any more.

That's worth it to me. Not for you?

Whatever makes you happy buddy. dont blame u about the FSR lo. it sucks. here is hoping FSR4 with its AI finally get things decent.

 

[64bitmodels]

400W peak power draw, that's quite a lot for a console. Well good, I though there is some limitation (I know people were throwing 300W back in 2020) how much you can do with such device. Good to hear

still less than most pcs

 

[SlimySnake]

Good on them for using the correct tflops number instead of the inflated one that retards on twitter were using. not to mention AMD themselves.

extra 2GB of ram for os is massive since it opens up the full 16 gb for games. thats fucking huge considering just how much of an issue varm is becoming on PC GPUs.

biggest fuck up is the 28% memory bandwidth upgrade especially since that was the main issue that affected the ps4 pro in several games. the fact that this gpu has 67% more tflops and is resulting in only 45% more performance also indicates a bottleneck somewhere and the memory bottleneck could be it. either that or AMD was right and you need infinity cache to improve performance when increasing CUs.

390 watt power supply means this is likely a 300+ watt console. i wouldnt be surprised if this is on 6nm.