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[Incognito]

Here we go with the Kerry attacks.

utterly ridiculous. i can't believe what i'm seeing. someone bumrush this shill.

 

[Socreges]

Is it just me or, throughout each speech so far, has the only justification to re-elect Bush been that the world is now a safer place since 9-11? Which is, at best, very debatable, if not completely false.

 

[Incognito]

don't forget his conviction. he's unwillingness to change his mind. he's just so stubborn, and that's we need!

thnx for the adecdotal evidence, rudy.



*cough*

 

[Socreges]

don't forget his conviction. he's unwillingness to change his mind. he's just so stubborn, and that's we need!

Part and parcel. What good does "conviction" do? Why it defeats terrorism and keeps you safe at night!

 

[Wellington]

Rudy was a great mayor, yes, but this speech is all sorts of garbage.

When he said that just after the planes crashed into the WTC on 9-11, that he grabbed Bernard Kerig's (the then police comissioner) arm and said "Thank God George W. Bush is our president" made me gag.

 

[Baron Aloha]

When he said that just after the planes crashed into the WTC on 9-11, that he grabbed Bernard Kerig's (the then police comissioner) arm and said "Thank God George W. Bush is our president" made me gag.

You aren't the only one.

 

[Incognito]

Rudy was a great mayor, yes, but this speech is all sorts of garbage.

When he said that just after the planes crashed into the WTC on 9-11, that he grabbed Bernard Kerig's (the then police comissioner) arm and said "Thank God George W. Bush is our president" made me gag.

it's like goddamn story telling convention right now. where's the milk and cookies?

 

[aparisi2274]

Here we go with the Kerry attacks.

Respect for Giuliani -1,000,000.

So wait, because Giuliani attacked Kerry, you lost respect for him. Whereas in the same speech he said he respects Kerry for his service to his country.

Also, I have a question, if a Democrat was speaking at the DNC and he attacked Bush, or even RUDY, would you lose respect for them? Somehow, I think the answer would be NO.

:rolleyes

 

[Kobun Heat]

if a Democrat was speaking at the DNC and he attacked Bush

You know... hypothetically speaking.

 

[Baron Aloha]

So wait, because Giuliani attacked Kerry, you lost respect for him. Whereas in the same speech he said he respects Kerry for his service to his country.

Also, I have a question, if a Democrat was speaking at the DNC and he attacked Bush, or even RUDY, would you lose respect for them? Somehow, I think the answer would be NO.

:rolleyes

Personally, I thought that Giuliani was above that sort of thing. Up until a moment ago he was one of the few republicans I respected. He disappointed me.

And yes, if someone attacked Bush I would not lose respect for them. In fact it would increase. Bush deserves it. He's done much more harm than good, IMO and that's as far as I'll go on the subject.

 

[AstroLad]

So I was just browsing around for a timeline of Bush's (in)actions after he heard that America was under attack and I kept coming across this:

"Lucky me. I hit the trifecta," George W. Bush, shortly after 9/11 - quoted by Bush Budget Director Mitch Daniels, 11/28/01

During Bush's campaign he assured the voters that he would not raid the Social Security fund except in cases of war, recession or national emergency. Shortly after 9/11 it was reported that Bush commented to Budget Director Mitch Daniels, "Lucky me, I hit the trifecta." I cannot imagine a context where a remark like that could be interpreted in any way other than callous and insensitive.

Unfortunately, Bush doesn't see it that way. Bush has been using "I hit the trifecta" to this day. He repeated it at a fundraiser in Ohio and got this response from his crass supporters - laughter. Bush considers 9/11 a stroke of luck for him. He and his supporters find this amusing. I find it appalling.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/05/15_Trifecta.html

During the 2000 campaign George W. Bush often pledged to maintain fiscal responsibility. Right up to the passage of the 2001 tax cut his people said they could cut taxes, pay for new programs like prescription drug coverage, and still pay off most of the federal government's debt.

As soon as the bill passed, those rosy budget projections fell apart. Then came Sept. 11. "Lucky me, I hit the trifecta," declared Mr. Bush, claiming — falsely — to have said during the campaign that his budget promises didn't apply in the event of recession, war or national emergency. But until this week officials insisted the deficit was temporary.

http://www.pkarchive.org/column/011703.html

What?

 

[xsarien]

When he said that just after the planes crashed into the WTC on 9-11, that he grabbed Bernard Kerig's (the then police comissioner) arm and said "Thank God George W. Bush is our president" made me gag.

I didn't watch it, but you just got a similar reaction out of me.

 

[Kobun Heat]

And yes, if someone attacked Bush I would not lose respect for them. In fact it would increase. Bush deserves it.

Okay, just so long as we're clear.

Dems attack Bush: okay;
GOP attacks Kerry: not okay.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Okay, just so long as we're clear.

Dems attack Bush: okay;
GOP attacks Kerry: not okay.

Until the republicans can come up with something besides the whole "flip-flop" bullshit. Yes.

Bush was against the 9-11 commission then he was for it.
Bush supported no child left behind but then underfunded it.
First we went to Iraq to get WMDs then we went to Iraq to free the Iraqi people.
etc, etc.

Everyone in politics flip flops or waffles on issues. That is a fact. They are acting like Kerry is somehow worse than everyone else and that simply isn't true.

So far the republicans have done nothing but wrap themselves in the flag shouting "freedom, freedom, freedom, patriotism, patriotism, patriotism, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, ad nauseum".

The dems took it pretty easy on Bush at their convention IMO after several republicans cried out "you better not bad mouth Bush". There were a few comments here and there but nothing like what Giuliani did tonight. It's time for Kerry to take the gloves off and stop playing by Bush's rules.

 

[Incognito]

what about giving a deadline/timeline to saddam, a dictator. then stating a few days ago that "i don't think you give dictators timelines."

odd.

 

[brooklyngooner]

Rudy was a great mayor

Not in my book, and not in lots of other people's who lived in NYC while he was mayor.

 

[Eric-GCA]

So far the republicans have done nothing but wrap themselves in the flag shouting "freedom, freedom, freedom, patriotism, patriotism, patriotism, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, ad nauseum

And all the democrats (and people on this board have done) is wrap themselves in hate shouting "F*ck Bush! Bush Sucks! Bush = Nazi! etc. etc.

Anyway, I was thrilled listening to those speeches. And of course I already see the hypocrisy here and elsewhere with how Guiliani was being Negative (even though I thought he was being very lighthearted about it) where as they'll turn a blind eye to all the hate at the DNC and in the protesters.

 

[Baron Aloha]

And all the democrats (and people on this board have done) is wrap themselves in hate shouting "F*ck Bush! Bush Sucks! Bush = Nazi! etc. etc.

No. People on this board != people at the DNC. The dems at the convention spoke about issues such as the economy, the state of the war, building partnerships etc. It wasn't about how Bush = Nazi or anything remotely of that nature but thanks for playing.

 

[Incognito]

And all the democrats (and people on this board have done) is wrap themselves in hate shouting "F*ck Bush! Bush Sucks! Bush = Nazi! etc. etc.

they did that at the DNC? i must have missed that night.

 

[Gruco]

Interesting articles on McCain's and Giuliani's endorsements of Bush:

(username & password: forktimes)

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040906&s=foer090604

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040906&s=crowley090604

Interesting stuff, thanks!

As for the speeches, I was dissapointed. Boring talking points about how their candidate is an amazing guy. The Dem convention definitely had the same problem, but at least it had Obama and Clinton to come throught with some good stuff. I thought if anyone at the RNC would have anything in the same ballpark it'd be McCain or Giuliani. Oh well.

In regards to the whole "losing respect" angle, I'd just put it like this - if Joe Lieberman gave a speech at the DNC that did nothing but rehash the party line I'd lose respect for him. It has more to do with where the guys are know to stand than attacking Kerry.

 

[Triumph]

Giuliani took titty bars away. He is thus the WORST MAYOR EVER.

 

[Eric-GCA]

Giuliani took titty bars away. He is thus the WORST MAYOR EVER

If you want to live in a dump, move here to San Francisco, or a European city.

When he said that just after the planes crashed into the WTC on 9-11, that he grabbed Bernard Kerig's (the then police comissioner) arm and said "Thank God George W. Bush is our president" made me gag.

It brought a tear to my eye actually.

 

[videogamer]

If you want to live in a dump, move to San Francisco, or a European city.

Uh why do you call European cities dumps? They do very well in the top ten cities with regards to quality of life. I love SF because of the weather and great gay community.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...00.html+cleanliness+scandinavian+cities&hl=en
http://theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/06/1075854028808.html

 

[HAOHMARU]

So wait, because Giuliani attacked Kerry, you lost respect for him. Whereas in the same speech he said he respects Kerry for his service to his country.

Also, I have a question, if a Democrat was speaking at the DNC and he attacked Bush, or even RUDY, would you lose respect for them? Somehow, I think the answer would be NO.

:rolleyes

WINNAH!

I thought McCain, the three women who lost family members on 9/11 and Rudy did an awesome job.

 

[Socreges]

Personally, I hope that someone touches on something related to 9/11 tomorrow. There just hasn't been enough about that. I'd like what Bush has done over the past four years or might do over the next four years to take a back seat.

Uh why do you call European cities dumps?

For the same reason that he found the speeches thrilling.

 

[PS2 KID]

WINNAH!

I thought McCain, the three women who lost family members on 9/11 and Rudy did an awesome job.

IAWTP

Rudy was a great Mayor. Rudy in 2008? Maybe.

 

[videogamer]

IAWTP

Rudy was a great Mayor. Rudy in 2008? Maybe.

A putative Giuliani administration would have a heavy load on its hands trying to reverse the Bush administration's course on abortion, gay rights, and gun control. Not only would he have to deal with what the Bush administration has already set into place, he would have to deal with the party's base.

 

[Comfort_Eagle]

If you want to live in a dump, move here to San Francisco, or a European city.



It brought a tear to my eye actually.

Holy shit you really are republican!!

 

[PS2 KID]

A putative Giuliani administration would have a heavy load on its hands trying to reverse the Bush administration's course on abortion, gay rights, and gun control. Not only would he have to deal with what the Bush administration has already set into place, he would have to deal with the party's base.

I'm secretly hoping either Rudy (or McCain, etc.) can move the republican party to the more moderate mainstream.

 

[HAOHMARU]

He couldn't take the heat.

 

[HAOHMARU]

I'm secretly hoping either Rudy (or McCain, etc.) can move the republican party to the more moderate mainstream.

Me too. Hopefully we will start seeing more candidates like this in the future...but it always seems like the extreme right wing conservatives won't let it happen.

I'd vote for those two guys if given the oppurtunity.

 

[videogamer]

He couldn't take the heat.

Ugh. I still haven't seen his movie yet. A lot of the movie theaters aren't showing it anymore.

 

[HAOHMARU]

Me either...in fact the last time I saw something of his was when he had that T.V. show on FOX. He actually did some really good things for people on that show.

 

[AntoneM]

ok, Moore is an angry man, let's get back to the topic.

 

[Socreges]

Moore was laughing and waving for the first two minutes. I guess he got frustrated when they KEPT booing. Sad. Both the ridiculous hatred and him resorting to the "L".

 

[Alcibiades]

I think Rudy's speech was freaken awesome (and actually, I've been a fan of him since like over 5 years ago). He story of fighting the mob and cleaning up the streets of NYC has always fascinated me.

I also noticed that seconds (yes, SECONDS) after Guliani's speech, CNN started rehashing the whole "Bush says we can't win the war on terror" story from the Today show. It's like they couldn't wait to go back to that story.

They should have given people time to breathe and take in the speeches, go with a little coverage of what just happened at the convention instead of leading with Democratic talking points so soon.

It was hilarious to see the energy and quickness with which the CNN anchor was reporting the Democratic reaction to Bush's morning comments. Um, shouldn't you talk about McCain and Guliani a bit first before talking about how Democrat's are attacking?

Maybe Rudy did leave something out to not contradict Bush, but they'd already led with that all day, could they leave it alone for just a second and talk about McCain and Rudy, or maybe mention the memorial given with the three 9/11 wives.

 

[Hitokage]

efralope: CNN covered the DNC similar to how you describe it(actual or not). Bob Dole always got first comment, and they frequently turned to some GOP campaign director.

 

[AstroLad]

efralope: CNN covered the DNC similar to how you describe it(actual or not). Bob Dole always got first comment, and they frequently turned to some GOP campaign director.

Yeah, that's how they always cover this shit. Is this your first time watching anything political?

 

[seismologist]

I also noticed that seconds (yes, SECONDS) after Guliani's speech, CNN started rehashing the whole "Bush says we can't win the war on terror" story from the Today show. It's like they couldn't wait to go back to that story.

Fox news does the same thing but opposite. Whenever anything bad is said about Bush Fox has got one of their "guests" sitting there ready to downplay it. Fair and balanced, LOL.

 

[Alcibiades]

I've been watching conventions since 2000, and yes I remember Bob Dole on one of the networks, but he was a commentator making statements about the speech and/or convention. CNN anchors were rehashing the story from the morning (which had nothing to do with McCain's or Rudy's speech) because Democratic talking points were being released to coincide with the end of the speeches.

I watched the reaction on Fox News from their panelists during some of the Democratic convention, and they didn't start giving the Republican reaction or start rehashing negative stories, they had a varied panel (from conservative to moderate, just like right now you'd see Mara Liasson and Cici Connalley) reacting to the speeches and talking about the convention.

 

[Hitokage]

Same deal. Tons of GOP talking points were peddled during the DNC too.

 

[AstroLad]

I just hope I'm not still in NYC the next time Bush "hits the trifecta."

 

[Incognito]

well, bush said something that completely went against everything he and his administration have ever said about the war on terrorism.

i think that's quite newsworthy. instead of everyone sucking off these two profiteers, the talk is now centered around bush's statement.

 

[seismologist]

If you cant see through the bias on Fox News. You must be really eating up then. Heck, I'm probably voting for Bush and I can see right through their bias. It's gotten to the point where it's annoying and I feel insulted by it.

Luckily during the DNC their panel was headed by Greta Van Susteren who's one of the few tolerable Fox analysists so there wasn't too much bashing.
But she actually came from CNN.

 

[Azih]

Hell Al Sharpton was ridiculed before he even finished his speech.

 

[Triumph]

If you want to live in a dump, move here to San Francisco, or a European city.

Why am I not surprised that Centuryon equates titty bars with dumpy cities? If Giuliani wanted to crack down on the prevalance of arcades(if arcades were still prevalent) or close down a video game history museum, I'm sure you'd be in revolt. Nice to know that your priorities are straight, kid.

 

[reggieandTFE]

I watched the reaction on Fox News from their panelists during some of the Democratic convention, and they didn't start giving the Republican reaction or start rehashing negative stories, they had a varied panel (from conservative to moderate, just like right now you'd see Mara Liasson and Cici Connalley) reacting to the speeches and talking about the convention.

Hahahaha, they fucking cut away from Barack Obama's speech (you know the tuesday night keynote address at the DNC) to go to some breaking story about Kerry's wife being a "crazy bitch" or something. Some people are willfully blind.

btw, did anyone else see this story from the convention floor? Despicable.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/gop.purple.hearts/index.html

Delegates to the Republican National Convention found a new way to take a jab at Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's Vietnam service record: by sporting adhesive bandages with small purple hearts on them.

No surprise here, look at the guy who organized it.

Blackwell is president of the Leadership Institute, a nonpartisan educational foundation he founded in 1979. According to its Web site, the institute prepares conservatives for success in politics, government and the news media.

 

[Cooter]

Personally, I hope that someone touches on something related to 9/11 tomorrow. There just hasn't been enough about that

Guess what?

Many people aren’t as willing as you to forget about September Eleventh. It was a turning point in American history and subsequently on how our foreign policy operated. You better believe Bush is going to run on the one event that defined his presidency.

Charge him with exploitation all you want by you sly sarcasm but 9/11 will be the reason he should and will win on November second.

This is WWIII in its infancy.

It seems that Kerry doesn’t understand that. Call it the War on Terror or call it the War on Muslim Extremists, it doesn’t matter. The greatest challenge of the next 50 years will be attempting to eradicate this philosophy from the face of the earth.

Criticizing the President because Iraq is not peaceful and having elections just after 1-½ years is absolutely foolish. It will take decades to see the true impact of democracy to a region that has never experienced it. You need a generation of kids growing up being educated, accustomed to speaking their mind and able to in a sense ‘own’ a piece of their country.

 

[Manabanana]

Hahahaha, they fucking cut away from Barack Obama's speech (you know the tuesday night keynote address at the DNC) to go to some breaking story about Kerry's wife being a "crazy bitch" or something. Some people are willfully blind.

btw, did anyone else see this story from the convention floor? Despicable.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/gop.purple.hearts/index.html



No surprise here, look at the guy who organized it.

"You wish your band-aid was swass like mine."

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

So a buddy and I were going to watch a repeat of Real Time With Bill Maher, but changed our minds when we saw show tunes going on at the RNC. Maher will repeat again. We had good fun people-watching on C-SPAN.

A female sitting next to the Bush daughters, had a shirt that on the front said something like "Carrie does not represent me" My friend was thinking that was just an awful misspelling of Kerry, while I thought it either must be completely unrelated (unlikely at a place like the RNC) or there was some joke to it I wasn't getting. Anyone? At one point I noticed there were words on the back of her shirt, too, but I only saw "Neither".

There was also this guy with a flashy suit featuring a flag design and a little hat, that I liked to call the Iron Chef Republican.

Why do people get so damn worked up over this shit? It's like you all are watching sports or something.

Except this stuff has the potential to change the world. Pretty important stuff.

Until the republicans can come up with something besides the whole "flip-flop" bullshit. Yes.

Or at least sticking with accurate ones. The $87 billion one is so played out and easy to explain.