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Official Smashing Pumpkins thread
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BigJonsson
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Smashing Pumpkins are Live Earthing it up now 
United States is opening!
United States is opening!
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
MAN! why am i getting ****ing alicia keys? again west coasters get screwed by tape delay!
Infinitemadness
Member
Meh, my stream failed me. I have fury.
Infinitemadness
Member
ha, dont sweat it...its releasing Tuesday...Guess they weren't big enough to break the traditions of new music tuesdays.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
max you know it's out this coming tuesday right?
unless you were joking for some reason and knew that.
anyways, great performance by SP on live earth! i missed United States, but tarantula and today rocked it. billy's voice broke up a few times and he messed up on the beginning of today though :lol
did they just play 3 songs?
unless you were joking for some reason and knew that.
anyways, great performance by SP on live earth! i missed United States, but tarantula and today rocked it. billy's voice broke up a few times and he messed up on the beginning of today though :lol
did they just play 3 songs?
BigJonsson
Member
They played Bullet after United States
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i noticed billy does a lot less screaming. you're getting old, old man!
BigJonsson
Member
FrenchMovieTheme said:
Uhhh
He was screaming during Bullet, I think it killed his voice lol
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
lol damn i missed it. im checking youtube but its not up yet
BigJonsson
Member
FrenchMovieTheme said:
Hahaha
Missed it. I expect a digital broadcast to be up in a couple hours. Keep your eyes on ZOMB Torrents (http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/)
All torrents are ratio free until the end of the summer, btw. How awesome is that?
its out this tuesday?
freakin best buy ad has it advertised as 9.99 on sale. doesnt say its releasing tuesday. so when i saw you guys talking about it i thought it was out already. but i guess you have the
pirated version.
but i guess this make sense. my brother would sure as hell had the cd by now and i would have known.
freakin best buy ad has it advertised as 9.99 on sale. doesnt say its releasing tuesday. so when i saw you guys talking about it i thought it was out already. but i guess you have the
pirated version.
but i guess this make sense. my brother would sure as hell had the cd by now and i would have known.
super funk
Member
I posted this in the Live Earth thread but I figured all the Pumpkins fans are in here.
super funk
Member
Diablos said:
Thanks. I guess 2/4 aint bad. Thats almost 50%!
super funk
Member
MaX_PL said:
Well that is what the Smashing Pumpkins are.
*gets flame suit ready*
I kid, I kid.
Yes, so many emo songs have awesome guitar solos and tight drumming.MaX_PL said:
Considering they are the most talented members of the band, it's not bad at all. James did a few songs, not much else. Darcy did next to nothing. Billy and Jimmy have always been the driving force behind the band. Jimmy doesn't get much credit, but he does a lot.super funk said:
He Wants Chalupas
Banned
I like this avatar. The video would have been much more awesome if it'd come out before the current line up had been confirmed. The internet would've exploded. 'Wtf why is there like 12 people in SP now?!'
TheDrowningMan
Member
I think the new album is, well...there's half a really good album in there. Starz and United States are really poor in their recorded versions (live is a different matter to some extent - mostly in the case of Starz - but on the record Starz is cringeworthy and United States is just boring....) and a few other tracks are uninspired. For me, if you took those two weak tracks away and put Stellar and Zeitgeist in there, you'd have a much better album.
Haven't heard Death From Above yet, can't find it for download.
Billy Corgan being his own worst enemy with recording style / production & track selection is nothing new, but it doesn't half frustrate me when it happens. Machina suffered from a similar affliction.
Haven't heard Death From Above yet, can't find it for download.
Billy Corgan being his own worst enemy with recording style / production & track selection is nothing new, but it doesn't half frustrate me when it happens. Machina suffered from a similar affliction.
fly high ~ayunite~
Member
Live Earth videos..
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/13717013.html
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/13717013.html
siamesedreamer
Banned
They played some kind of interview here in ATL on 99X with Billy and Jimmy talking about different stuff and the inspirations behind some of the songs.
Billy said the drums in United States was done in one take without stopping. He said its the highlight of Jimmy's career. Unreal......
He also said that the Kerry campaign asked him to do a campaign stop in 2004. He declined.....talked about how both candidates were members of Skull and Bones. Seems extremely cynical with the American political process.
Its a good interview. Should be on the interwebs somewhere.
Billy said the drums in United States was done in one take without stopping. He said its the highlight of Jimmy's career. Unreal......
He also said that the Kerry campaign asked him to do a campaign stop in 2004. He declined.....talked about how both candidates were members of Skull and Bones. Seems extremely cynical with the American political process.
Its a good interview. Should be on the interwebs somewhere.
distantmantra
Member
Bebpo said:
You know, if really want to DFA on a disc, you could always buy the Tarantula UK CD single like I did.
The Target ad makes it sound like the bonus track is on the actual disc.
I guess we'll find out on Tuesday.
Even allmusic won't stop hating on Zeitgeist (they gave it two out of five).
This is unbelievable. A lot of reviews for Mary Star of the Sea were really positive and rated it pretty high. Zeitgeist is getting dumped on, even though it's a better album than MSOTS ever was. Does not compute. Zwan's studio disc was really, really bad. Zeitgeist is so much better.
edit: Pitchfork gave it a 4.9.
This is unbelievable. A lot of reviews for Mary Star of the Sea were really positive and rated it pretty high. Zeitgeist is getting dumped on, even though it's a better album than MSOTS ever was. Does not compute. Zwan's studio disc was really, really bad. Zeitgeist is so much better.
edit: Pitchfork gave it a 4.9.
I'm admitedly a little baffled by the Pitchfork review. While they accurately point out the range & strength of SP's sound, they go on to downplay Zeitgeist's sound as largely being one-dimensional which I don't think is particularly accurate. Granted, it's heavier on the whole (though I'd say it's not far from being on par with the heaviness of Machina) and there aren't any of the acoustic-tinged sets we saw on earlier albums, but it's not a balls-to-the-wall album like heavier acts are akin to. There definitely seems to be an overriding trend of really knocking on Billy's use of his own voice as backup vocals and laying on the synth at times, though I never quite understood the inherent hatred for the methods in reviews. By and large, I think he utilizes them rather well save on tracks like Pomp & Circumstance and its ilk. Knocking him for his shitty lyrics is fine by me, but I never mistook BC for Bob Dylan and just immersed myself in the melodies and rythyms of the music. Also,
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That AllMusic review was atrocious. It spent more time launching a series of implicit and explicit personal attacks on BC than it did on the album whatsoever. It's only saving grace was when it referred to Jimmy Chamberline as someone "who came across like an old metalhead on the prowl for freaky chicks." That's some comedy gold!
I like God & Country
That AllMusic review was atrocious. It spent more time launching a series of implicit and explicit personal attacks on BC than it did on the album whatsoever. It's only saving grace was when it referred to Jimmy Chamberline as someone "who came across like an old metalhead on the prowl for freaky chicks." That's some comedy gold!
BC knows how to write good lyrics, but he also knows not to overdo them with every single song. Zeitgeist is more driven by the guitar than lyrical meaning. All you have to do is listen to something like The Last Song, 33, all kinds of stuff on Adore, Machina, Siamese, etc.
They set the bar too high with him because I think they enjoy it.
They set the bar too high with him because I think they enjoy it.
Diablos said:
I don't think that has anything to do with it honestly. I just think they fall into the trap a number of lesser writers do and make the assumption that their readership cares about a lot of the drama that goes on behind the scenes in the industry rather than actually trying to read a review about the material in question. Sometimes it's relevant (Chamberlin getting kicked out of SP prior to the development of Adore for example), but 95% of the time, it's not.
BC can write some good lyrics, but, at least to me, once you gut the music from it, they start to fall flat (Hello, Blinking Fists!). "The world is a vampire" sounds outright amateurish, and without the edge in his voice, the thumping drums, and the driving bass, it largely stays that way. It's always been messages, moods, & themes amplified by the trademark sound. United States as voiced by Zach de la Rocha would may give reviewers the depth they may be bemoaning that's lacking, but I can't blame BC for sticking to what he knows best.
The world is a vampire sounds amateurish (although I think BWBW in full is pretty brilliant if you've ever attempted to figure out it's true meaning), but "I'm rumored to the straight and narrow / while the harlots of my perils scream" isn't so bad, is it? Like I said, it just depends on the type of song and where he's coming from. Corgan is far from being one of the worst lyricists out there. Of course he's not Bob Dylan, but who is, really?Macam said:
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that BC has proven consistently that he can write good lyrics, so people need to stop acting like he can't just because every single song he writes doesn't live up to some other stuff he's done. Once again, these funky rules seem to apply to him and no one else. It's alternative rock, yeesh.
Billy's been avoiding all kinds of questions in recent interviews, he has seriously said that there's a large group of people in the mainstream music media out to get him. Based on reviews, I'd say that he's right.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
bob dylan can suck my nuts. billy corgan is my favorite lyriccist of all time!
siamesedreamer
Banned
SHIT.......forgot they were on Letterman. 10 minutes left......hopefully they haven't played yet.
siamesedreamer
Banned
I thought they were playing two songs? Did they change plans and decide to do the second song Friday?
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
they are on again friday
ok iTunes, I downloaded the album, now where's my code?!
btw, the iTunes album, even if lossy at 128kbps, is a lot more crisp and clear than the leak.
Seems like some of those watermarked copies were a bit distorted. Jimmy's drumming is a lot louder and the vocal mix seems better. I could be wrong.
Ah well, either way I never had a serious problem with the production.
btw, the iTunes album, even if lossy at 128kbps, is a lot more crisp and clear than the leak.
Seems like some of those watermarked copies were a bit distorted. Jimmy's drumming is a lot louder and the vocal mix seems better. I could be wrong.
Ah well, either way I never had a serious problem with the production.
cubicle47b
Member
Amazon shipped my copy yesterday with an estimated arrival of today (it'll probably come in tomorrow). I've been listening to the Rock Am Ring show a lot so I'm really looking forward to hearing the studio versions.
BigJonsson
Member
I'll actually buy the album Tuesday night or Wednesday
Which version should I get? And what Canadian stores are getting which?
Which version should I get? And what Canadian stores are getting which?
distantmantra
Member
I'm heading over to Target to pick up Zeitgeist in the morning. I'll be buying the other weekly releases at the local record shop, but I'm a sucker for bonus tracks.
iTunes can blow me, though. I hate digital download purchases.
iTunes can blow me, though. I hate digital download purchases.
I dunno, but I'd get the Target version. Avoid the Best Buy one like the plague.BigJonsson said:
Anyway, I'll be picking up the LE version with Zeitgeist (title track) and the one with the big booklet.
edit: heh, the digital booklet has a picture of
Darcy's bass in a coffin with the classic SP logo (that I'm pretty sure she designed) placed beside it.
siamesedreamer
Banned
I'm confused as shit. Went to Target this morning to pick it up. They had the "purple-ish" colored album with Zeitgeist. I thought they were carrying the red one?
Anyway, can someone clear up which versions are bought in which store and the bonus content for each version. Preeche.....
Anyway, can someone clear up which versions are bought in which store and the bonus content for each version. Preeche.....
For the record, Stellar (the iTMS bonus track) is relatively ho-hum. Not really a stand out track, but nothing terrible either. The extra 5 cover tracks by the other bands are all flat out ****ing terrible however. I'll grab the other two versions later; one to just have a physical copy of the album myself and one for a friend, so here's to hoping those tracks are a bit better.