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Official Xbox 360 Madden '12 Online Franchise Thread: Dream Team Edition
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Wellington said:
Let's take an objective, Eeyore-free look at the AFC Playoff picture:
AFC Playoff Picture
If they started today...
1. Rors (12-0)
2. Smokey (10-3)
3. Ramirez (9-4)
4. AFC East Winner
5. Welie (9-4)
6. Colts (9-4)
AFC Wildcard Spectacular
- Smokey (10-3) games left: CAR, IND, TEN
- Ramirez (9-4) games left: SF, STL, CLE
- Wellie (9-4) games left: STL, ARI, BAL
- Colts (9-4) games left: , TEN, HOU, JAX
- Nightz (8-5) games left: BAL, DET, OAK
The playoff picture looks more interesting than it actually is. Nightz still has a potential loss pending to Rors, which slinks him down to 10-6 and means that all of the 9-4 teams have a loss to play with. Wellie, Ramirez and the Colts are all in line to snap up 2 of the three Wild Card slots, with one of them ending up with the division and a home game.
A Ramirez loss to FMT means he finishes at 11-5, Wellie finishes at 12-4 and would then host Ramirez at home in Wildcard weekend. That'd put me in the 5 (at either 11-5 or 12-4) facing the AFC East winner on their turf.
A Ramirez win in FMT land puts him at 12-4 with the tiebreakers over Wellie, which puts Wellie at the 5 spot - since he holds the H2H tiebreaker over the Colts who would then be the six seed.
Smokey and Rors watch comfortably from their Bye weeks.
We didn't play against each other, so I guess the next tiebreaker would be conference record. In that case Wellie would take it easily because all of my losses were in conference.levious said:
But again, as Luke pointed out, I have a guaranteed loss against Rors, so it won't have to come down to that.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
I want you to go all out.
I really want the Colts/Texans game to mean something, and for Smokey to broadcast it. Would be a shame if either guy just played their backups.
I really want the Colts/Texans game to mean something, and for Smokey to broadcast it. Would be a shame if either guy just played their backups.
Wellington said:
It doesn't really mean anything though. CP7 and Matt Leinart are warming up.
Freeney and Mathis will play though, gotta try and catch Dunlap!
Plus, I may have to play Smokey a THIRD time in the playoffs. No reason to tip a hand (ball is going to a Tight End)!
The Albatross
Member
I'd love to check the standings on MyLeagueManager.
::Clicks standings:
::the grand canyon forms::
OH ITS READY
::Clicks standings:
::the grand canyon forms::
OH ITS READY
TheDrizzlerJ11
Member
The AFC East Race
Team/Record/Divisional Record/Games Remaining
Bills (6-7) (2-2) Dolphins, Broncos, @Patriots
Dolphins (5-8) (2-1) @Bills, @Patriots, Jets
Jets (6-6) (2-3) Chiefs, @Eagles, @Giants, Dolphins
Patriots (5-8) (2-2) @Broncos, Dolphins, Bills
It is currently the Jets division to lose. Jets are also the only team with 3 divisional losses, so with one more loss the Jets will be in terrible shape currently holding no tiebreakers but they're also the only team capable of reaching 10 wins. He knows it and his once 2-6 team has rallied behind the young coach to be leading the division with a quarter of the season left. With 3 of the 4 remaining games against teams playing for their divisions as well, it's going to be a tough road.
Now if the Jets lose it's actually the Fins, Bills, and Patriots at #1. If either one of those teams is able to win out their remaining games they will be the East representative.
The Fins winning out would lead to the 5-1 divisional record trumping all of the H2Hs.
If the Bills win out it is only possible for the Jets to have a tied overall record but no matter what the Jets would end with at least on more divisional loss.
If the Pats win out they will be ahead of the Dolphins. They will need the Jets to lose one game and their superior divisional record will take effect. If the Bills took care of the Fins and the Broncos then we now have a real interesting week 17 game for the division against the Bills and the Pats. If the Pats win they'll take the tiebreaker with one more win in the common games category.
Team/Record/Divisional Record/Games Remaining
Bills (6-7) (2-2) Dolphins, Broncos, @Patriots
Dolphins (5-8) (2-1) @Bills, @Patriots, Jets
Jets (6-6) (2-3) Chiefs, @Eagles, @Giants, Dolphins
Patriots (5-8) (2-2) @Broncos, Dolphins, Bills
It is currently the Jets division to lose. Jets are also the only team with 3 divisional losses, so with one more loss the Jets will be in terrible shape currently holding no tiebreakers but they're also the only team capable of reaching 10 wins. He knows it and his once 2-6 team has rallied behind the young coach to be leading the division with a quarter of the season left. With 3 of the 4 remaining games against teams playing for their divisions as well, it's going to be a tough road.
Now if the Jets lose it's actually the Fins, Bills, and Patriots at #1. If either one of those teams is able to win out their remaining games they will be the East representative.
The Fins winning out would lead to the 5-1 divisional record trumping all of the H2Hs.
If the Bills win out it is only possible for the Jets to have a tied overall record but no matter what the Jets would end with at least on more divisional loss.
If the Pats win out they will be ahead of the Dolphins. They will need the Jets to lose one game and their superior divisional record will take effect. If the Bills took care of the Fins and the Broncos then we now have a real interesting week 17 game for the division against the Bills and the Pats. If the Pats win they'll take the tiebreaker with one more win in the common games category.
ph33nix said:
Yeah, there's a low amount of OL and high amount of CB compared to previous draft classes. Hard to say how much you can actually improve your secondary relative to the rest of the league when everyone will be able to add a 70+ OVR, 90 SPD, 75 MCV CB this year.
levious said:
Given how starved for corners everyone seems to be (Dunte $15 million never forget) this is good news!
DCX said:I scouted the entire draft class. Test league is stuck on predraft just for this reason
DCX
For offline franchise the Names, Ages, and Player #s are randomized. The attributes are not, although there's like 30 possible draft classes.
bluemax said:
Redskins tied for #9 in the league in Passing Yards Allowed. Dunta's got 2 picks. It's a start. An expensive one but oh well. *shrug*
The advantage I have is that most of my stars are under contract for 3-5 years, which will basically be the length of this franchise. Had to make a move anyway in like week 4 or 5 of the season when my #2 corner went down for 10 weeks.
The Albatross
Member
NFC Wild Card Scenario, Final Spot. Week 15
There are really five teams vying for that final playoff spot in the NFC, two of them can still win their divisions:
- Cardinals (7-6) GB: 0
- Saints (7-6) GB: 0
- Panthers (6-7) GB: 1.0
- Lions (6-7) GB: 1.0
- Bears (5-7): GB: 1.5
Team Missing: Vikings (7-6). The Vikings currently control their division, but they could lose their division to the Lions (6-7) or Bears (5-7).
Cardinals (7-6) Playoff Scenario
Week 15: vs. Browns (3-10)
Week 16: @ Bengals (9-4)
Week 17: vs. Seahawks (3-9)
The Cardinals hold the tie breaker over the Panthers (Cards 17, Panthers 14 in week 1), but have not had head-to-head matchups against the other teams in the hunt. This hurts the Cardinals playoff chances because they have the weakest overall record against the NFC, at 5-6, with the maximum Conference potential to only be 6-6.
For maximum playoff opportunity, the Cardinals definitely need to beat the Browns and the Seahawks, although the Seahawks beat the Cards early in the season. Presuming a loss to the 9-4 Bengals, the Cardinals most likely scenario has them going 9-7 based on record alone. The Seahawks and Browns can both play spoiler to the Cardinals playoff chances.
If the Cardinals win out (Finish 9-7), they can only miss the playoffs by the Saints winning out, as the Cardinals would hold a head-to-head tie breaker with the Panthers (If the Panthers were to win out).
Saints (7-6) Playoff Scenario
Week 15: @ Vikings (7-6)
Week 16: vs Falcons (5-8)
Week 17: vs Panthers (6-7)
The Saints are also in a difficult tie-breaker predicament, with both the Panthers and the Lions holding Tie Breakers against them, but their NFC record is 4-5, with a potential to go 7-5, which would give them an edge against the Cardinals in a tie breaker.
However, the Saints have the best chance to win out, of any of the other remaining wild card teams, as every other team in the hunt has to play at least one playoff lock, and the Saints do not (they play two playoff contenders and one playoff extremely long shot in the Falcons).
If the Saints win out, they will make the playoffs.
Panthers (6-7) Playoff Scenario
Week 15: @ Houston (10-3)
Week 16: vs Bucs (8-4)
Week 17: @ Saints (7-6)
The Panthers hold versus tie breakers with the Saints and the Lions, but the Cardinals and Bears both hold versus tie breakers over the Panthers. The panthers also have a 5-5 NFC record, with a chance to go 7-5.
However, with arguably the most difficult schedule of the remaining NFC wild card teams, the Panthers have an uphill battle. The Panthers essentially need to win out. Wins against the Saints and Bucs would propel them to the best NFC record for the final remaining teams, and they would hold the tie breaker over the Lions (which they could presumeably be tied with at 7-5 in the NFC) after their mid-season victory over the Lions 35-21.
With projected losses to Houston and the Bucs, though, even a last game win against the Saints would still be an outside shot at the playoffs, requiring the Saints and Cardinals to both lose out.
If the Panthers win out, they can still miss the playoffs by the Cardinals winning out (who hold a head-to-head tie breaker).
Lions Playoff (6-7) Scenario
Week 15: @ Raiders (13-0)
Week 16: vs Cargers (8-5)
Week 17: @ Packers (3-10)
The Lions are in a strange predicament because despite being 6-7 and only holding a tie breaker over the Saints, split with the Bears, and failing to hold out over the Panthers, they can still win their division, and also finish with a strong 7-5 NFC record. However, facing difficult opponents in the Raiders and Chargers, the Lions chances are slim. The Lions are in the peculiar situation where a loss by the Vikings to the Saints would both help and hurt them -- in one respect, if the Saints beat the Vikings, and if the Lions win a game, then they could be tied with the Vikings going into the final weeks, but if the Saints beat the Vikings, the Lions would have a nearly insurmountable climb to the Wild Card spot.
If the Lions win out, they would hold a tie breaker over the Saints, but would not hold a tie breaker over the Panthers. If those tie breaker scenarios play out, though, then the Lions could win their division.
Bears Playoff (5-7) Scenario
Week 14: @ Broncos (6-6)
Week 15: vs. Seahawks (3-9)
Week 16: @ Packers (3-10)
Week 17: @ Vikings (7-6)
Similar to the Lions, the Bears can win their division, and they also have the easiest or second easiest schedule in the last few games. A loss to the Broncos would not completely eliminate the Lions from the playoff picture, as they could still potentially win their division at 8-8, if the Vikings lose to the Saints (becoming 7-7), and then in the final week lose to the Bears (making them 8-8), the Bears, could make the playoffs as a division winner with an 8-8 record, and the Lions being eliminated with a 7-9 record.
Most Likely Wild Card Winner
The Saints have the most likely wild card scenario, they are the only team who, if they win out, will control their own destiny. Likewise, the Saints are the only team who is playing opponents that they should likely beat.
Likely Scenarios Based on Matchups
Here are likely playoff scenarios based only on matchups and win/loss record. When in doubt or the record is the same, I relent and go with perceived team rating.
Saints (7-6) Playoff Scenario: 10 - 6
Week 15: @ Vikings (7-6) - Win (Identical records, Saints rated higher)
Week 16: vs Falcons (5-8) - Win
Week 17: vs Panthers (6-7) - Win
Cardinals (7-6) Playoff Scenario: 9-7
Week 15: vs. Browns (3-10) - Win
Week 16: @ Bengals (9-4) - Loss
Week 17: vs. Seahawks (3-9) - Win
Panthers (6-7) Playoff Scenario: 6-10
Week 15: @ Houston (10-3) - Loss
Week 16: vs Bucs (8-4) - Loss
Week 17: @ Saints (7-6) - Loss
Losses to Houston & Tampa Bay would force the Panthers into a spoiler role. If they lost those two games, they could mostly only work to eliminate the Saints by beating them in week 17.[/i]
Lions Playoff (6-7) Scenario: 7-9
Week 15: @ Raiders (13-0) - Loss
Week 16: vs Cargers (8-5) - Loss
Week 17: @ Packers (3-10) - Win
Bears Playoff (5-7) Scenario 7-9
Week 14: @ Broncos (6-6) - Loss (potential toss up)
Week 15: vs. Seahawks (3-9) - Win
Week 16: @ Packers (3-10) - Win
Week 17: @ Vikings (7-6) - Loss
LiveWire said:Redskins tied for #9 in the league in Passing Yards Allowed. Dunta's got 2 picks. It's a start. An expensive one but oh well. *shrug*
The advantage I have is that most of my stars are under contract for 3-5 years, which will basically be the length of this franchise. Had to make a move anyway in like week 4 or 5 of the season when my #2 corner went down for 10 weeks.
Wait...you paid 15 mill for Dunta?
TheDrizzlerJ11
Member
And I thought Soliai's contract was insane.
I'll post draft info if you guys want, I mean, what else am I gonna do with playoffs looming... unless public draft scouting is frowned upon?
Here's the WR class, and the info is from an online franchise:
and that top WR is pretty beast
Here's the WR class, and the info is from an online franchise:
Code:
Full Name POS OVR Age Height Weight College SPD
Barksdale, Antwan WR 83 22 5'10" 178 Tenn-Chat 98
Marshall, De'Joshua WR 83 22 6'2" 231 UCF 92
Williams, De'Joshua WR 78 22 5'11" 222 Cincinnati 85
Anthony, Bryan WR 75 22 6'2" 188 Bowling Green 99
Beasley, Santez WR 74 21 5'8" 203 Southern Miss 99
Bennett, Khiry WR 74 21 6'0" 219 Ole Miss 95
Bridge, Edwin WR 73 22 6'2" 188 N. Alabama 99
Seastrunk, Demond WR 73 22 5'10" 178 Texas State 94
Buchanan, Ayoub WR 71 22 6'2" 216 Sam Houston 91
Branch, Tejay WR 71 21 6'0" 203 Michigan St. 87
James, Churphy WR 70 22 6'3" 182 Syracuse 98
Donaldson, Javarie WR 70 22 6'2" 220 USF 94
Watkins, Markus WR 70 22 6'3" 214 Baylor 90
Booker, Ahmad WR 69 22 6'0" 194 Winston Salem 98
Breeland, Jewone WR 69 22 6'4" 215 Baylor 96
Watts, Davante WR 69 22 5'10" 205 USC 94
Crusoe, DeMarcus WR 69 22 5'11" 189 Texas 92
Dinwiddie, Calvin WR 68 22 5'10" 210 Boston College 90
Favor, J'neddy WR 68 22 5'11" 215 North Texas 85
Appleby, Colby WR 67 21 6'2" 203 North Carolina 91
Hill, Darqueze WR 67 22 5'9" 201 Indiana 89
Williams, Leilon WR 67 22 6'0" 178 Holy Cross 88
Bowers, Antjuan WR 66 21 6'5" 234 Alabama A&M 95
Washington, Aaron WR 65 21 6'0" 208 Air Force 86
Piggee, Artis WR 64 22 6'1" 205 Portland St. 89
Whitney, Gavin WR 64 22 5'10" 184 Cal-Nrthridge 86
James, DeMarcus WR 62 22 6'0" 213 Tenn-Chat 96
Anthony, Sean WR 61 22 5'10" 179 N.C. State 95
Aaron, Joshua WR 61 21 5'8" 175 Idaho 91
Watson, Zach WR 61 22 6'1" 189 Kansas 90
Tarver, Javares WR 60 22 5'8" 199 Virginia Union 93
Orlando, Jared WR 60 22 6'1" 188 Ohio State 87
Jenkins, Shalden WR 59 22 6'3" 197 Fresno State 94and that top WR is pretty beast
Code:
Barksdale, Antwan # 85 - WR
Height: 5-10, Weight: 178
College: Tenn-Chat, Years Pro:0
83 OVR
Attributes
98 Speed 96 Agility
87 Jumping 82 Catching
84 Spectacular Catch 82 Catch in Traffic
87 Route Running 65 Release
Code:
Marshall, De'Joshua # 85 - WR
Height: 6-2, Weight: 231
College: UCF, Years Pro:0
83 OVR
Attributes
92 Speed 91 Agility
96 Jumping 82 Catching
81 Spectacular Catch 87 Catch in Traffic
79 Route Running 97 ReleaseTheDrizzlerJ11
Member
Always forget how popular a name De'Joshua was for baby boys in '89.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Woah, the #2 guy is terrific. 97 RLS is insane.
BTW can you list the RBs and their speed?
BTW can you list the RBs and their speed?
Wellington said:
59 Carry though
Sure, I'll do some more throughout the day and night...
Code:
Full Name POS OVR Age Height Weight College SPD
Cox, Cardarious HB 84 21 5'8" 209 Fresno State 91
Freeman, Sterlin HB 83 22 6'0" 219 TCU 96
Mays, Corey HB 77 22 5'11" 249 Citadel 85
Walker, Cornel HB 77 21 5'8 219 LA. Tech 85
Patrick, Duvon HB 76 22 5'9 197 Alabama A&M 94
Saunders, Lascelle HB 76 21 5'8 208 Houston 94
Washington, Dorial HB 75 22 5'9 194 UL Monroe 95
Smith, Oliver HB 75 22 5'11 229 Syracuse 85
Weatherford, Cameron HB 73 22 5'8 191 Mississippi St. 95
Weaver, Aspha HB 71 22 5'10 200 California 91
Banks, Demetris HB 70 22 6'0 201 UCLA 85
Marshall, Jacob HB 69 22 6'0 217 E. Tenn. St. 94
Brand, Jermichael HB 69 22 5'11 198 Ga. Southern 90
Hill, LaCraig HB 67 22 5'9 211 Cent Conn St. 95
Woods, Jamar HB 66 22 5'11 193 USF 84
Coleman, Quinten HB 66 22 5'8 199 UL Monroe 84
Holloway, Shamell HB 64 22 5'11 194 California-Dav 91
Wallace, Malachi HB 63 21 6'1 198 Rutgers 83
Potts, DeVante' HB 60 22 5'11 194 North Texas 90
Glover, Javonta HB 59 21 5'9 201 Southern Ark 92There are some GAME CHANGERS on D this class.
Here I'm just going to throw this out there: http://www.e-athlete.net/jeremyriggs/
Have fun!
Here I'm just going to throw this out there: http://www.e-athlete.net/jeremyriggs/
Have fun!
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
The Albatross said:
NFC Wild Card Scenario, Final Spot. Week 15
There are really five teams vying for that final playoff spot in the NFC, two of them can still win their divisions:
- Cardinals (7-6) GB: 0
- Saints (7-6) GB: 0
- Panthers (6-7) GB: 1.0
- Lions (6-7) GB: 1.0
- Bears (5-7): GB: 1.5
Team Missing: Vikings (7-6). The Vikings currently control their division, but they could lose their division to the Lions (6-7) or Bears (5-7).
Cardinals (7-6) Playoff Scenario
Week 15: vs. Browns (3-10)
Week 16: @ Bengals (9-4)
Week 17: vs. Seahawks (3-9)
The Cardinals hold the tie breaker over the Panthers (Cards 17, Panthers 14 in week 1), but have not had head-to-head matchups against the other teams in the hunt. This hurts the Cardinals playoff chances because they have the weakest overall record against the NFC, at 5-6, with the maximum Conference potential to only be 6-6.
For maximum playoff opportunity, the Cardinals definitely need to beat the Browns and the Seahawks, although the Seahawks beat the Cards early in the season. Presuming a loss to the 9-4 Bengals, the Cardinals most likely scenario has them going 9-7 based on record alone. The Seahawks and Browns can both play spoiler to the Cardinals playoff chances.
If the Cardinals win out (Finish 9-7), they can only miss the playoffs by the Saints winning out, as the Cardinals would hold a head-to-head tie breaker with the Panthers (If the Panthers were to win out).
Saints (7-6) Playoff Scenario
Week 15: @ Vikings (7-6)
Week 16: vs Falcons (5-8)
Week 17: vs Panthers (6-7)
The Saints are also in a difficult tie-breaker predicament, with both the Panthers and the Lions holding Tie Breakers against them, but their NFC record is 4-5, with a potential to go 7-5, which would give them an edge against the Cardinals in a tie breaker.
However, the Saints have the best chance to win out, of any of the other remaining wild card teams, as every other team in the hunt has to play at least one playoff lock, and the Saints do not (they play two playoff contenders and one playoff extremely long shot in the Falcons).
If the Saints win out, they will make the playoffs.
Panthers (6-7) Playoff Scenario
Week 15: @ Houston (10-3)
Week 16: vs Bucs (8-4)
Week 17: @ Saints (7-6)
The Panthers hold versus tie breakers with the Saints and the Lions, but the Cardinals and Bears both hold versus tie breakers over the Panthers. The panthers also have a 5-5 NFC record, with a chance to go 7-5.
However, with arguably the most difficult schedule of the remaining NFC wild card teams, the Panthers have an uphill battle. The Panthers essentially need to win out. Wins against the Saints and Bucs would propel them to the best NFC record for the final remaining teams, and they would hold the tie breaker over the Lions (which they could presumeably be tied with at 7-5 in the NFC) after their mid-season victory over the Lions 35-21.
With projected losses to Houston and the Bucs, though, even a last game win against the Saints would still be an outside shot at the playoffs, requiring the Saints and Cardinals to both lose out.
If the Panthers win out, they can still miss the playoffs by the Cardinals winning out (who hold a head-to-head tie breaker).
Lions Playoff (6-7) Scenario
Week 15: @ Raiders (13-0)
Week 16: vs Cargers (8-5)
Week 17: @ Packers (3-10)
The Lions are in a strange predicament because despite being 6-7 and only holding a tie breaker over the Saints, split with the Bears, and failing to hold out over the Panthers, they can still win their division, and also finish with a strong 7-5 NFC record. However, facing difficult opponents in the Raiders and Chargers, the Lions chances are slim. The Lions are in the peculiar situation where a loss by the Vikings to the Saints would both help and hurt them -- in one respect, if the Saints beat the Vikings, and if the Lions win a game, then they could be tied with the Vikings going into the final weeks, but if the Saints beat the Vikings, the Lions would have a nearly insurmountable climb to the Wild Card spot.
If the Lions win out, they would hold a tie breaker over the Saints, but would not hold a tie breaker over the Panthers. If those tie breaker scenarios play out, though, then the Lions could win their division.
Bears Playoff (5-7) Scenario
Week 14: @ Broncos (6-6)
Week 15: vs. Seahawks (3-9)
Week 16: @ Packers (3-10)
Week 17: @ Vikings (7-6)
Similar to the Lions, the Bears can win their division, and they also have the easiest or second easiest schedule in the last few games. A loss to the Broncos would not completely eliminate the Lions from the playoff picture, as they could still potentially win their division at 8-8, if the Vikings lose to the Saints (becoming 7-7), and then in the final week lose to the Bears (making them 8-8), the Bears, could make the playoffs as a division winner with an 8-8 record, and the Lions being eliminated with a 7-9 record.
Most Likely Wild Card Winner
The Saints have the most likely wild card scenario, they are the only team who, if they win out, will control their own destiny. Likewise, the Saints are the only team who is playing opponents that they should likely beat.
Likely Scenarios Based on Matchups
Here are likely playoff scenarios based only on matchups and win/loss record. When in doubt or the record is the same, I relent and go with perceived team rating.
Saints (7-6) Playoff Scenario: 10 - 6
Week 15: @ Vikings (7-6) - Win (Identical records, Saints rated higher)
Week 16: vs Falcons (5-8) - Win
Week 17: vs Panthers (6-7) - Win
Cardinals (7-6) Playoff Scenario: 9-7
Week 15: vs. Browns (3-10) - Win
Week 16: @ Bengals (9-4) - Loss
Week 17: vs. Seahawks (3-9) - Win
Panthers (6-7) Playoff Scenario: 6-10
Week 15: @ Houston (10-3) - Loss
Week 16: vs Bucs (8-4) - Loss
Week 17: @ Saints (7-6) - Loss
Losses to Houston & Tampa Bay would force the Panthers into a spoiler role. If they lost those two games, they could mostly only work to eliminate the Saints by beating them in week 17.[/i]
Lions Playoff (6-7) Scenario: 7-9
Week 15: @ Raiders (13-0) - Loss
Week 16: vs Cargers (8-5) - Loss
Week 17: @ Packers (3-10) - Win
Bears Playoff (5-7) Scenario 7-9
Week 14: @ Broncos (6-6) - Loss (potential toss up)
Week 15: vs. Seahawks (3-9) - Win
Week 16: @ Packers (3-10) - Win
Week 17: @ Vikings (7-6) - Loss
Maybe the best post in this thread! Coming down to the wire!
The Albatross
Member
levious said:
In truth, I just couldn't fit it and didn't want to go over 800 pixels wide, and didn't feel like making the other's smaller, so I smudge tooled the shit out of it and then distorted it.
In truth, the Bears have as good of a chance to win their division as the Lions and Vikings.
LukeSmith said:
Bahahaha yeah.