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I'm going to buy the **** out of Double Dragon.

Edit: Screw Track n Field, I thought they would at least have updated graphics like DD!
 
Mad Tracks looks cool. I hate Missle Command style games more than anything else in the gaming world. I will say this now, if you're on my friends list playing that game, you'll get deleted. Just like GH2 DLC.

Rush'n'Attack looks awful. So does another Contra. Street Trace may be cool if it has cool multiplayer.

Where the hell is Gemetry Wars 2? Better be here with PGR4, and it better feature 2 player co-op on one ship. One guy drives and fires, second guy fires a better weapon. I would probably never stop playing the game.
 
Re: Video - What the **** is this shit?

Who honestly wants to play Yie-Ar Kung Fu? TRON Discs looks like it'll be fun for 5 seconds, Double Dragon looks clunky as hell, throwing barrels looked horrible, Rushin' Attack.. good god, A big "who cares" for track and field, at least do something to it, like, make it look like Athlete Kings or something.

Super Contra looked nice, but didn't look nearly as fun as what I've played of Super Probotector. Missile Command looks nice but again, 5 seconds of fun.

Street Trace NYC and Mad Tracks look nice, but are completely devoid of any personality. I really want to play as a dude with a checkered shirt! Great design choices there. Mad Tracks looks nice, really, but it also looks like a bad version of Trackmania with weapons. To simply have cars with no personalities behind them never really works either.

Bah. Can't we start doing, y'know, some good games that have stood the test of time? Maybe some classic platformers from PC / Amiga's past? Beat-em-Ups from the 90's? Forget Elevator Action and give us Elevator Action Returns? Some of these games are stinking up the place :\
 
Rlan said:
Street Trace NYC and Mad Tracks look nice, but are completely devoid of any personality. I really want to play as a dude with a checkered shirt! Great design choices there. Mad Tracks looks nice, really, but it also looks like a bad version of Trackmania with weapons. To simply have cars with no personalities behind them never really works either.
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I agree totally. The game needs personality. I really want to play that one dodgeball/basketball native american game, that looked amazing, the name eludes me at the moment.
 
Thoren said:
I agree totally. The game needs personality. I really want to play that one dodgeball/basketball native american game, that looked amazing, the name eludes me at the moment.
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That would be the currently MIA game called Hoopworld.
 
Rlan said:
Re: Video - What the **** is this shit?

Who honestly wants to play Yie-Ar Kung Fu? TRON Discs looks like it'll be fun for 5 seconds, Double Dragon looks clunky as hell, throwing barrels looked horrible, Rushin' Attack.. good god, A big "who cares" for track and field, at least do something to it, like, make it look like Athlete Kings or something.

Super Contra looked nice, but didn't look nearly as fun as what I've played of Super Probotector. Missile Command looks nice but again, 5 seconds of fun.

Street Trace NYC and Mad Tracks look nice, but are completely devoid of any personality. I really want to play as a dude with a checkered shirt! Great design choices there. Mad Tracks looks nice, really, but it also looks like a bad version of Trackmania with weapons. To simply have cars with no personalities behind them never really works either.

Bah. Can't we start doing, y'know, some good games that have stood the test of time? Maybe some classic platformers from PC / Amiga's past? Beat-em-Ups from the 90's? Forget Elevator Action and give us Elevator Action Returns? Some of these games are stinking up the place :\
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I agree with this post completely. You know what we need on XBLA? ****ing Mother 3. Ditch Blue Dragon and all the other Japanese games, just translate that and port it to XBLA.

It looks like XBLA sorta gave all it had during this weak period in releases and we'll just get decent stuff for a while, until the retail season dries up after christmas and Undertow and Castle Crashers are on the horizon.

As far as I know, other than the board games, Space Giraffe is the only major new game Arcade release dated this year.
 
QVT said:
I agree with this post completely. You know what we need on XBLA? ****ing Mother 3. Ditch Blue Dragon and all the other Japanese games, just translate that and port it to XBLA.

It looks like XBLA sorta gave all it had during this weak period in releases and we'll just get decent stuff for a while, until the retail season dries up after christmas and Undertow and Castle Crashers are on the horizon.

As far as I know, other than the board games, Space Giraffe is the only major new game Arcade release dated this year.
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This post is making little sense to me.
 
Thoren said:
Mother 3. Screw Blue Dragon. More like Blue Drag on for 40 hours! Mother 3 has cars, and clowns, and people obsessed with the color blue.
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Yea and the IP is owned by Nintendo.

Also, some of you people must be like the most fickle bastards ever.
 
Shard said:
Yea and the IP is owned by Nintendo.

Also, some of you people must be like the most fickle bastards ever.
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Doesn't mean we can't dream.

I'm not exactly fickle, I just have no nostalgia for poor graphics, basic, boring arcade games. XBLA is great because it offers new games, retro gaming is not the best part of the service. I've bought 12 XBLA games, and none of them are retro. Its just a personal preference although it appears plenty of people share it.

Besides, its not like they're bringing some great old games. Paperboy or Rushin Attack? Why not Fallout and Fallout 2? :lol Fallout 2 on XBLA... :lol
 
No but it sounds like some of you apparently missed like the past two months of XBLA and are whining unjustly about wanting good and new games.
 
You guys have to recognize that XBLA has gotten a hell of a lot better since March. Sure there's still a ton of shit from 1982 still in the pipeline but at least we've been getting 2 games a pop for the last couple of weeks so that gives me hope that we won't be stuck with some lame ass garbage like Rush N' Attack or Yie-Ar Kung Fu as the sole weekly release.


And Earthbound for XBLA?!??!? :lol
 
Shard said:
No but it sounds like some of you apparently missed like the past two months of XBLA and are whining unjustly about wanting good and new games.
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No, I enjoyed Catan and to a lesser degree Pinball and Minigolf. But releasing a string of good games and then not releasing good games doesn't justify the latter. Why can't they create a new 2d sidescroller(other than Castle Crashers)? What about a new 2d platformer?

I don't mean to complain about the service, but just because its doing good doesn't mean we can't have requests for the direction of it.
 
I understand the need to express a wanted direction but if you think the arcade ports are going to vanish anytime soon I am afraid to say that you are a bit overly optimistic. Also, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about bitching about things. Rian does it the right way at this point in time, acting like it is still February and spouting off simple-minded claptrap
about wanting good games doesn't really hold water any more.
 
Shard said:
I understand the need to express a wanted direction but if you think the arcade ports are going to vanish anytime soon I am afraid to say that you are a bit overly optimistic. Also, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about bitching about things. Rian does it the right way at this point in time, acting like it is still February and spouting off simple-minded claptrap
about wanting good games doesn't really hold water any more.
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I'll be clear. I want MORE good games. I'll pay for as many good games as they put up there. Thats all, I'm sorry I offended you by stating my opinion.
 
you guys suck, I am so looking forward to Yie-Ar Kung Fu. besides it, the only game I spent more money at the arcades on was starwars.

and there are more games i want on xbla then I have money for. xbla has been doing a fantastic job recently.

QVT, how do you feel about nintendo's service of retro games?
 
Shard said:
I understand the need to express a wanted direction but if you think the arcade ports are going to vanish anytime soon I am afraid to say that you are a bit overly optimistic. Also, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about bitching about things. Rian does it the right way at this point in time, acting like it is still February and spouting off simple-minded claptrap about wanting good games doesn't really hold water any more.
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What I really, REALLY want 3D Realms / Apogee. id software, and Epic to get a hit on the back of the head to remind them that they have a fantastic legacy of games from the DOS-ey past, and I believe would be not only a huge thing to show up on Xbox Live Arcade, but would just as big if it were added to Windows Live Arcade. id's DOOM and upcoming Team Arena [which will be AWESOME] is just what we need.

Add Bio Menace, Commander Keen, Jazz Jackrabbit, Epic Pinball, Monster Bash and Duke Nukem 2, and I'll be occupied with XBLA for a long time :)
 
Scottlarock said:
you guys suck, I am so looking forward to Yie-Ar Kung Fu. besides it, the only game I spent more money at the arcades on was starwars.

and there are more games i want on xbla then I have money for. xbla has been doing a fantastic job recently.
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Never played Yie-Air Kung Fu myself but I do recall the Discs of Tron and Missle Command being very good back in the day, I am more worried about the conversions then anything else.
 
Shard said:
Never played Yie-Air Kung Fu myself but I do recall the Discs of Tron and Missle Command being very good back in the day, I am more worried about the conversions then anything else.
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the one game I don't want is missle command, I've had that game for many different system and its a big controller thrower, arg!!!, I hate you, I'm ebaying you M-F-er game! ya me and missle command have issues....
 
Rlan said:
What I really, REALLY want 3D Realms / Apogee. id software, and Epic to get a hit on the back of the head to remind them that they have a fantastic legacy of games from the DOS-ey past, and I believe would be not only a huge thing to show up on Xbox Live Arcade, but would just as big if it were added to Windows Live Arcade. id's DOOM and upcoming Team Arena [which will be AWESOME] is just what we need.

Add Bio Menace, Commander Keen, Jazz Jackrabbit, Epic Pinball, Monster Bash and Duke Nukem 2, and I'll be occupied with XBLA for a long time :)
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I would not be adverse to that either, Id does have some underground stuff like Quake 3 and Final DOOM. 3D Realms apparently has stated that they don't have the resources to do such a thing, it sounds nonsensical but that what was stated by somebody back some pages ago. As for Epic, they are probably too busy at the moment.
 
Scottlarock said:
the one game I don't want is missle command, I've had that game for many different system and its a big controller thrower, arg!!!, I hate you, I'm ebaying you M-F-er game! ya me and missle command have issues....
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What about Battlezone?
 
Scottlarock said:
and there are more games i want on xbla then I have money for. xbla has been doing a fantastic job recently.

QVT, how do you feel about nintendo's service of retro games?
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Nintendos service is entirely different. Their idea is to have a completely BC console with every other console they've ever had, plus Genesis and TG16 and now Neo-Geo. Nintendo also has pretty clearly shown VC to be a fanservice, first and foremost. They're bringing fan favorite games to VC because fans are demanding them. I also believe they brought out VC to stem piracy of ROMS - they though that people wanted to play those old games and would be willing to do so, and 3.3 million sales proves that they are.

I never was attracted to arcades(likely because I'm younger than most of you 30 year olds and they were dead by the time I had that kind of expendable cash) and XBLA dangles brilliant stuff like Geo Wars and Cloning Clyde and Space Giraffe in front of us.

The one retro one new is an amazing step in the right direction. Quality is there for the new games, no doubt. They've expanded XBLAs appeal to where you almost have to have a couple of the games if you own a 360 and consider yourself a gamer. Have you seen the Neogaf XBLA sales thread? Our arcade game attach rate is INSANITY. According to joaomgcd, (http://web.tagus.ist.utl.pt/~joao.dias/GafGamersLeaderboard.xml) we're averaging 10 games per person. Thats crazy, because you can't rent those.
 
QVT said:
Nintendos service is entirely different. Their idea is to have a completely BC console with every other console they've ever had, plus Genesis and TG16 and now Neo-Geo. Nintendo also has pretty clearly shown VC to be a fanservice, first and foremost. They're bringing fan favorite games to VC because fans are demanding them. I also believe they brought out VC to stem piracy of ROMS - they though that people wanted to play those old games and would be willing to do so, and 3.3 million sales proves that they are.

I never was attracted to arcades(likely because I'm younger than most of you 30 year olds and they were dead by the time I had that kind of expendable cash) and XBLA dangles brilliant stuff like Geo Wars and Cloning Clyde and Space Giraffe in front of us.

The one retro one new is an amazing step in the right direction. Quality is there for the new games, no doubt. They've expanded XBLAs appeal to where you almost have to have a couple of the games if you own a 360 and consider yourself a gamer. Have you seen the Neogaf XBLA sales thread? Our arcade game attach rate is INSANITY. According to joaomgcd, (http://web.tagus.ist.utl.pt/~joao.dias/GafGamersLeaderboard.xml) we're averaging 10 games per person. Thats crazy, because you can't rent those.
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I read your post twice, maybe I'm not getting it, xbla retro games are not good, but nintendo's retro games are? one is fan service the other is?? because most of the xbla retro's are fan favorites....
 
Scottlarock said:
I read your post twice, maybe I'm not getting it, xbla retro games are not good, but nintendo's retro games are? one is fan service the other is?? because most of the xbla retro's are fan favorites....
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XBLA retro is arcade, nintendo is console, I prefer console retro because I think it holds up better for home experience.
 
QVT said:
XBLA retro is arcade, nintendo is console, I prefer console retro because I think it holds up better for home experience.
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console games usually at the time of release was always inferior to arcade machines. not nowadays, but during that time.
 
Scottlarock said:
console games usually at the time of release was always inferior to arcade machines. not nowadays, but during that time.
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yeah, but he has a point. a lot of arcade games just don't translate well to a home console. Gauntlet for example. Without being at an arcade with real quarters at stake, it loses most of its appeal. TMNT suffers from this too, but works better since it's not 8 zillion levels long.

Non quarter-muncher arcade games, though... Those hold up just fine. (Pac-Man/Ms., Galaga, Joust, Pinball, etc) Centipede/Millipede excluded since it just doesn't work on the controller.
 
Brashnir said:
yeah, but he has a point. a lot of arcade games just don't translate well to a home console. Gauntlet for example. Without being at an arcade with real quarters at stake, it loses most of its appeal. TMNT suffers from this too, but works better since it's not 8 zillion levels long.

Non quarter-muncher arcade games, though... Those hold up just fine. (Pac-Man/Ms., Galaga, Joust, Pinball, etc) Centipede/Millipede excluded since it just doesn't work on the controller.
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donot make fun of TMNT.

those others I have not played, but joust and pinball are great unless your comparing pinball to a real live pinball machine which I hope your not. joust is just like the arcade version. I die within 2 minutes. quarters or $5 I still suck at the game.

BTW most xbla games are live enable, something nintendos retro games are not. that adds to making the experience more arcade like
 
Brashnir said:
yeah, but he has a point. a lot of arcade games just don't translate well to a home console. Gauntlet for example. Without being at an arcade with real quarters at stake, it loses most of its appeal. TMNT suffers from this too, but works better since it's not 8 zillion levels long.

Non quarter-muncher arcade games, though... Those hold up just fine. (Pac-Man/Ms., Galaga, Joust, Pinball, etc) Centipede/Millipede excluded since it just doesn't work on the controller.
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That was my point, in fewer words. To be clear, I own Pinball as a result of its fine translation(and excellent multiplayer)

And I wasn't talking about just games like that arcade ports or arcade style games, Mario and Zelda and Sega games are pretty much all I have for VC. None of those were arcade games.
 
Brashnir said:
yeah, but he has a point. a lot of arcade games just don't translate well to a home console. Gauntlet for example. Without being at an arcade with real quarters at stake, it loses most of its appeal. TMNT suffers from this too, but works better since it's not 8 zillion levels long.

Non quarter-muncher arcade games, though... Those hold up just fine. (Pac-Man/Ms., Galaga, Joust, Pinball, etc) Centipede/Millipede excluded since it just doesn't work on the controller.
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I think the leaderboards are the big thing with these retro games. When you add competition to anything, it can make something that was boring suddenly fun. Plus I play all of these retro games differently then I did in the arcade.

In the arcade it was about making the quarter last and survival. With the 360 it is about getting the high score, which makes you actually figure out how to best attack a level. And when you play a game that way, it brings out mechanics that were not initially appealing to you but now they somehow are. Just some examples, in Centipede, I would avoid the spiders and only shoot them when I got a good shot on them in the arcade. On live, they are my main focus because they give you a ton of points. So it becomes like a spider hunting game while you are trying to keep the centipede at bay. With Galaga, I would never let a ship be captured in the arcade because it was dangerous and even if you got it back it made you a bigger target. On the 360 it is key to getting a highscore and getting 100% on those bonus levels so I always do it.

While you may not get that arcade experience, there is a lot there to have fun with in a very different way. With leaderboards and achievements, I started to appreciate the nuances of arcade games like Joust and Gauntlet which I never actually enjoyed for their gameplay, but they somehow became compelling because getting a highscore was puzzle unto itself.
 
QVT said:
That was my point, in fewer words. To be clear, I own Pinball as a result of its fine translation(and excellent multiplayer)

And I wasn't talking about just games like that arcade ports or arcade style games, Mario and Zelda and Sega games are pretty much all I have for VC. None of those were arcade games.
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, I just have no nostalgia for poor graphicsl
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mario and zelda at the time of release IMO had poor grahics compared to the arcade.
 
Rlan said:
Re: Video - What the **** is this shit?

Who honestly wants to play Yie-Ar Kung Fu? TRON Discs looks like it'll be fun for 5 seconds, Double Dragon looks clunky as hell, throwing barrels looked horrible, Rushin' Attack.. good god, A big "who cares" for track and field, at least do something to it, like, make it look like Athlete Kings or something.
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I making an assumption here but I don't think these games are aimed at you. I'm 35 and played these games when they were first released and as such they hold a special place in my gaming history. If you're under 30 you probably won't get what people like me see in them.
 
Bearillusion said:
I making an assumption here but I don't think these games are aimed at you. I'm 35 and played these games when they were first released and as such they hold a special place in my gaming history. If you're under 30 you probably won't get what people like me see in them.
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yeah, those damn kids know nothing about history! one time I showed my nephews galaga, and they were laughing at me so I beat them with a stick and sent them to wash my car.
sometimes I feel like a dinosaur or something..
 
Knowing about something and experiencing that same thing when it was first released in the arcades is totally different. To a kid today Star Wars is just a science fiction movie but to someone who saw it when it was released (like me) it was groundbreaking.
 
Bearillusion said:
I making an assumption here but I don't think these games are aimed at you. I'm 35 and played these games when they were first released and as such they hold a special place in my gaming history. If you're under 30 you probably won't get what people like me see in them.
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ditto.
 
Bearillusion said:
I making an assumption here but I don't think these games are aimed at you. I'm 35 and played these games when they were first released and as such they hold a special place in my gaming history. If you're under 30 you probably won't get what people like me see in them.
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Yeah, I guess they aren't aimed at us younger guys. But we're the main demographic so far as I know, so you've got to consider that too.


Marios graphics are better than 1982 arcade games, though.
 
Bearillusion said:
I making an assumption here but I don't think these games are aimed at you. I'm 35 and played these games when they were first released and as such they hold a special place in my gaming history. If you're under 30 you probably won't get what people like me see in them.
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I would not say under thirty. I am 27 and all of these games were around when I was kicking about in the arcades, or on early NES, or watching my older brother play Intelivision and Atari.

I understand the argument though. If you do not have some sort of old school memory of these games from childhood or the point in time where you started playing, it would be hard to find much to love about them today.
 
QVT said:
Yeah, I guess they aren't aimed at us younger guys. But we're the main demographic so far as I know, so you've got to consider that too.


Marios graphics are better than 1982 arcade games, though.
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well actually:

3. The average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for 12 years.

4. The average age of the most frequent game buyer is 40 years old. In 2006, 93 percent of computer game buyers and 83 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.
 
Those stats don't apply only to 360s. Thats including women who play the sims on their PCs.

I didn't include xbox demographic because I didn't think of it. Thats a great page on overall game stats, though.
 
Damn it, why did this thread have to go back to the hatefast that was teenagers going "rofl old games suk lol" without even having played them? It was much nicer when we got to have fun and talk about the week's XBLA game release for a while. :(

In other words; many of the upcoming retro games are awesome. Rush'n Attack is a fun, extremely fast-paced (for the time) 2D action game that requires concentration and quick reflexes (and some memorization, of course, since it's an old game). Super Contra ****ing rules, although it's as hard and unforgiving as it is fun (and the XBLA port pulls out all the stops -- you get 1 credit and can't even change options to get more).

And who disses on Track & Field, seriously?! That game is so much fun with a few players, and the XBLA game supports 4 players online as far as I know. That's gonna be awesome to play online with my Live friends when it comes out.

Yie Ar Kung Fu is actually pretty impressive when you consider its age as well. There's a ton of cool little moves in there, and the flow of the game is excellent. And I never even played this one back in the day, I just tried it the other day.

Missile Command on XBLA is kinda of crap, though. First of all, it doesn't work as well without trackball and, second, the controls are (at least currently) waaaaay too sensitive and annoying. The Tron games are kinda crap too, though Discs was fun for a few minutes.
 
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