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OG Xbox Appreciation and Lack of Emulation Thread of the big black box of doom
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Englebert3rd
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Forgot to mention, I only own the OG XBOX for a year and bought it off M&M Games (now Playnation Games, still in Croydon) for £15.
And it was both hard and soft modded. One of the best purchases ever!
Shame the controller that came with it was broken, but found one a few hours earlier for £1.50 in a charity shop.
I think I've seen the sparks "meme" somewhere else, I best Black had something to do with it as well. Interesting that it's Criterion! xD
And it was both hard and soft modded. One of the best purchases ever!
Shame the controller that came with it was broken, but found one a few hours earlier for £1.50 in a charity shop.
Yeah, clear difference there! It does look like the XBox version has more details than the PS2.IGN did a comparison.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2004/09/09/burnout-3-takedown-head-to-head
I wonder if this is where the "needs more sparks" meme originated on this forum in the mid-aughts, haha.
I think I've seen the sparks "meme" somewhere else, I best Black had something to do with it as well. Interesting that it's Criterion! xD
This was true with Burnout 3 and Revenge. The post processing pass they used on PS2 was very different from Xbox. On PS2 motion blur was much more pronounced and bright lights (sunlight, sparks, etc) appeared brighter and more voluminous.
Alcoholikaust
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Big box greeted me today including: Hitman 2, Hitman Blood money, Metal Gear Solid 2 Subsistence, Syberia, Rouge Agent, Brothers in Arms Road to Hill 30, and Splinter Cell, Pandoras Tomorrow, Chaos Theory (drool) and Double Agent
oh and my factory sealed black label Kotor showed up
oh and my factory sealed black label Kotor showed up
Hey guys, I have a few Japanese Xbox titles still for sale if anyone is interested.
Muzzle Flash (JPN Exclusive)
Dead or Alive 3
Double S.T.E.A.L.
and I think I have a copy of Nezmix, will double check
Id be looking for 55 shipped for the lot. Going to post in the BST thread later, figured Id give a heads up.
Think I also have a copy of DOA3, again Japanese, Id let for for 16$ shipped.
Edit: Picture
Heck, Id throw in DOA3 with the other bunch (so 2x copies) for 65$ total in the US.
Muzzle Flash (JPN Exclusive)
Dead or Alive 3
Double S.T.E.A.L.
and I think I have a copy of Nezmix, will double check
Id be looking for 55 shipped for the lot. Going to post in the BST thread later, figured Id give a heads up.
Think I also have a copy of DOA3, again Japanese, Id let for for 16$ shipped.
Edit: Picture
Heck, Id throw in DOA3 with the other bunch (so 2x copies) for 65$ total in the US.
Havoc2049
Member
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Today's package.
How on earth is DOA U a Cero 18 game in Japan? Kasumi doesn't get that naked.
DracoBlade
Member
Hey guys, I have a few Japanese Xbox titles still for sale if anyone is interested.
Muzzle Flash (JPN Exclusive)
Dead or Alive 3
Double S.T.E.A.L.
and I think I have a copy of Nezmix, will double check
Id be looking for 55 shipped for the lot. Going to post in the BST thread later, figured Id give a heads up.
Think I also have a copy of DOA3, again Japanese, Id let for for 16$ shipped.
Edit: Picture
Heck, Id throw in DOA3 with the other bunch (so 2x copies) for 65$ total in the US.
You take the best pictures
What kind of camera are you using?sixteen-bit
Member
Ninja hacker special edition
You take the best pictures
That particular one is the Nokia 1020, so a phone
Most of my other pictures I use the old Canon 5d, does the job just fine. The key is lots of light
ss_lemonade
Member
Is this the reason why you can drop Halo into single digit framerates by shooting a dead Elite multiple times?
DracoBlade
Member
That particular one is the Nokia 1020, so a phone
lol my peasant eyes couldn't tell the difference initially but yes your lighting is perfect, makes the Xbox and paraphernalia shine
Seeing that Xbox Live headset took me back to playing online on a console for the first time. It felt so ahead of everyone else.This pic is sooo cool.
Karak
Member
Amped 1 is fantastic. I have them all and Amped 2 is better but 1 has a enough that if you can't find 2 it would be a great start.
I didn't know collecting Xbox One games had a thread here. My collection is done. I own them all. A store nearby went out of business and I picked all the remaining games up. US games only.
Such a great system. One day I WILL Be able to play these on PC though damnit.
Yes.
Halo is a game that usually maintains 30fps, but it prioritizes rich and consistent dynamic effects over consistent performance.
I've always wondered what its performance characteristics are like as a whole; hard to tell, since it's capped at 30.
It's possible to get some idea of what is going on with the debug .XBEs
http://ptoponline.com/?p=906
I work as a Japanese-English translator. If you feel like taking more photos sometime of what's inside, I'd be happy to give you specifics of what's up with that True Fantasy Live Online memento. It wouldn't have to be a whole lot; I could probably get a general feel from a couple of pages or the back of the case or whatever. I've always just found that game to be curious myself and wouldn't mine learning a bit more about it.
I work as a Japanese-English translator. If you feel like taking more photos sometime of what's inside, I'd be happy to give you specifics of what's up with that True Fantasy Live Online memento. It wouldn't have to be a whole lot; I could probably get a general feel from a couple of pages or the back of the case or whatever. I've always just found that game to be curious myself and wouldn't mine learning a bit more about it.
The true fantasy thing is just a calendar, nothing special. I was hoping that the disks had some artwork, but they are literally plastic disks with art printed on them, no data at all hah.
Ooooh, okay, I misread your post earlier then. Alas. Wondrously anticlimactic even by Japanese promo goods standards, though, ahaha.
sixteen-bit
Member
PD is a tight game. I wonder if multiplayer is still active via tunneling?
Grabbed a few more Xbox goodies recently. Really enjoying filling out the collection. It's the one system I just never really paid attention to in a collecting sense but I suddenly have the urge. Prices are just insanely low and there is some really neat stuff worth picking up.
Right now I'm running my Xbox through an XRGB Mini and doing the x2 nearest neighbor scale delivering perfectly even pixels. It's very sharp and crisp in 480p. My one complaint about Xbox in general is the use of mipmapping. While I understand the reasoning behind this it ultimately ruins the image quality by blurring all distant textures.
PS2 and Sega Model 3 games rarely used mipmapping which ultimately resulted in a lot of shimmering on distant textures but, on the flip side, gave the impression of sharper texture detail. Playing these systems in retrospect I definitely say I prefer older 3D games without mipmapping.
Right now I'm running my Xbox through an XRGB Mini and doing the x2 nearest neighbor scale delivering perfectly even pixels. It's very sharp and crisp in 480p. My one complaint about Xbox in general is the use of mipmapping. While I understand the reasoning behind this it ultimately ruins the image quality by blurring all distant textures.
PS2 and Sega Model 3 games rarely used mipmapping which ultimately resulted in a lot of shimmering on distant textures but, on the flip side, gave the impression of sharper texture detail. Playing these systems in retrospect I definitely say I prefer older 3D games without mipmapping.
Some PS2 games use mipmapping, it's just that the console's texture-filtering hardware doesn't account for anisotropy, which means that surfaces at oblique angles undersample their textures. The other issue is that the PS2 had an oddly high cost for trilinear filtering, so bilinear was typically the most sophisticated technique that ever really got used.
Also, trilinear filtering doesn't really "blur" textures at distance, it just doesn't let them alias (assuming a LOD bias of 0). Viewed head-on, a correctly-mipmapped texture should look like a decent approximation to how it would look if the image were beautifully supersampled.
Oblique angles are another matter. Since trilinear chooses the MIP level based on the shortest axis to avoid undersampling, surfaces at oblique angles experience blur according to the degree of obliqueness.
I can understand the desire for just dropping texture filtering, and I certainly prefer my Marathon using the original software rasterizer. But I dunno, Xbox games often feel like their aesthetics are dependent on their decent visual stability. I'd have to see "unfiltered" versions to be sure, but I'd be surprised if I wound up preferring them.
Oh, I realize all that and recognize the benefits but many surfaces in 3D games are viewed from oblique angles during gameplay which gives the impression of a loss in detail. I prefer aliasing and shimmering in comparison though naturally proper anisotropic filtering would provide the best results.
hooijdonk17
Member
Why do you do this? XBOX already has Composite output at 480p that should be just as sharp, doesn't it?
What? I am using component output (not composite, which is much lower quality).
The xrgb allows me to eliminate scaling artifacts. 480p scaled by a modern tv is quite ugly. The xrgb allows a perfect 1:1 pixel scale without any blurring or distortion. It's as close as you can get to matching a frame-buffer grab.
hooijdonk17
Member
Ah ok you upscale the 480p to 1080p with the XRGB, ok, I get it now.
I'm usually OK with 480p content upscaled to 1080p by the TV.. IME it really gets fucked up when you feed in 480i or worse.
I'm usually OK with 480p content upscaled to 1080p by the TV.. IME it really gets fucked up when you feed in 480i or worse.
Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
I really dislike 480p content as it appears without a good scaler. It really blurs the edges and produces a very messy image. Most TVs don't do a good enough job on their own.
There is a Facebook group for just that.
drtomoe123
Member
Now to spend forever looking for that dope ass box.
sixteen-bit
Member
^Nice pickup. I always wanted Steel Battalion.
drtomoe123
Member
Thanks you guys! I got a pretty good deal on it so I'm not complaining too much.
Does anyone know if there are still any people playing SB: Line of Contact online? I know the official servers got taken down back in '05, but I saw where some people were playing through Xlink Kai. Of course, that website hadn't been updated since '10.
Does anyone know if there are still any people playing SB: Line of Contact online? I know the official servers got taken down back in '05, but I saw where some people were playing through Xlink Kai. Of course, that website hadn't been updated since '10.
That's pretty cool.=O
Fox Mulder
Member
off all weekend, which to play for the first time ever?
jade empire
otogi
phantom dust
grabbed by the ghoulies
jade empire
otogi
phantom dust
grabbed by the ghoulies
Phantom Dust, duh.
sixteen-bit
Member
PD for sheezy
sixteen-bit
Member
Sick screenshots. Xbox was beast tier for Gen6 consoles. And Gaiden is still a stunner today IMO, especially in motion.
Yeah I remember playing Ninja Gaiden when it was 1st out and it blew me away, and today it still holds up funny enough.
True, though for some reason there wasn't a difference between normal and widescreen in certain games.
Working on some things...
https://twitter.com/Borman18/status/465237177367273472/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Borman18/status/465237177367273472/photo/1
And a video of Revolt, which did leak a while back, but still, this video is unique in some ways .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oma0zykaO7c
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oma0zykaO7c
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