Oh God, my school is drug testing

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Amir0x said:
Drugs have been used for thousands of years. Yet, this drug violence has not been a problem even near this level. I mean, you don't even need to go back very far. Look at from the moment Nixon declared the drug war, and when Reagan actually put it into fierce action. From this time forward, drug-war related violent crimes have soared to catastrophic levels. It has hampered an entire generation of progress for entire minority communities in the United States.

In 2011, there was a panel that looked at the global drug war and looked at the sources and the solutions. This panel included Colombian president Cesar Gaviria, former Mexican president Ernesto Zedillo, former U.S. secretary of state George Shultz [under conservative US president Ronald Reagan], former Brazilian president Fernando Henrique Cardoso, former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan, and Canadian Louise Arbour, the former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.



What did the panel recommend? A panel from all walks of the world, including people that used to lead countries with huge drug problems? A panel that included even a member of the Reagan administration?

● Don’t treat users as criminals.
● Don’t waste time nabbing the small fry. (in other words, if you have to, go after only major distributors; ignore street level dealers)
● Decriminalize or give legal access to some drugs to undercut organized crime

Time and time again, ANYONE who has seriously studied the drug war at any length knows it is an abject failure and THE primary cause of mass drug-related violence. Before the drug war broke out, this was not the problem it is now. You can literally chart a line.
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Hey, I don't disagree with you. I do think users should be used as a way to fuck the cartels, like users being rewarded if they help the police get to the drug dealers, etc. Ignoring street level dealers has a lot of problems, at least in Latin America... a lot of crimes are related to those guys like killing innocent people or recruiting kids.

But in the end of the day the only two ways to stop it is a) legalization or b) stop buying it. Both are very difficult.

In my personal experience, I do have some friends that used to smoke and some that still do it. Actually a few times we got together and they all were smoking, they offered me and I rejected not because I found it to be wrong but because I know how much suffering and death is related to that in my region. I would most likely have tried it if it was legally sold like alcohol because I don't find it to be so bad as for example cigarettes. But I just can't justify smoking it as long as terrorists are getting money out of it/me.

edit: I don't think the colombian president in 2011 was called Cesar Gaviria tho :P and I do think the war on drugs is the stupidest thing on earth. Is like USA fighting against "terrorism", c'mon... what a meaningless/pointless shit.
 
I'm all for people doing whatever drugs they want to do, and there's no reason why drugs should not be legal. That being said, I personally don't like hanging out with people that smoke, drink or do drugs. I'll hang out with them when they're sober(or not smoking a cigarette), but since I don't drink or do anything like that I can't connect with people when they're high or drunk.
 
Oh, boy. The "if you do X" you're supporting the terrorists/evil cartels/evil corporations/governments hand-wringing. Let's see. Weed, clothing, non-organic crops, NAFTA, computer parts....missing anything?

You won't be able to enjoy life. Not as long as you have people around to tell you how you're basically Osama Bin Laden's greatest fan.

As always, I invite those people to go ahead and make an exhaustive list of all the things they do, say and eat, so we can scrub through their lives and find how they're Very Bad People, too.
 
WanderingWind said:
Oh, boy. The "if you do X" you're supporting the terrorists/evil cartels/evil corporations/governments hand-wringing. Let's see. Weed, clothing, non-organic crops, NAFTA, computer parts....missing anything?

You won't be able to enjoy life. Not as long as you have people around to tell you how you're basically Osama Bin Laden's greatest fan.

As always, I invite those people to go ahead and make an exhaustive list of all the things they do, say and eat, so we can scrub through their lives and find how they're Very Bad People, too.
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You know who won't be able to enjoy life? All those babies you indirectly murdered.
 
EnderWiggles said:
You know who won't be able to enjoy life? All those babies you indirectly murdered.
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I forget. Was that for eating non-organic corn, wearing sneakers, buying jewelry, driving a non-electric car, buying from Apple/Sony/Any major computer company, going to church, eating meat, living in a city...help a brother out.
 
WanderingWind said:
I forget. Was that for eating non-organic corn, wearing sneakers, buying jewelry, driving a non-electric car, buying from Apple/Sony/Any major computer company, going to church, eating meat, living in a city...help a brother out.
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You can't be seriously comparing carteles with manufacturing asian companies. Sure they have a problem of labor exploitation but you can't be comparing them to carteles...

Just search for Cadereyta+narco and learn a bit.
 
elsk said:
You can't be seriously comparing carteles with manufacturing asian companies. Sure they have a problem of labor exploitation but you can't be comparing them to carteles...

Just search for Cadereyta+narco and learn a bit.
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You seem to be under the mistaken impression that nobody besides yourself has ever heard of drug cartels. You are engendering nothing but derision for your arrogance. And you want to talk about silly parallels? Equating smoking weed with killing babies? It's embarrassing for anybody over the age of 16 to think like that, much less posit it as a position that adults should take seriously.

If you have to ask why, then you're simply not mature enough to hold this discussion. You want to open those doors of 3-time-removed responsibility, you better damn well be willing to explain how your pet cause is more worth such navel-gazing, while other's (whose indulgence isn't a concern of yours, as well) is suddenly ridiculous.
 
WanderingWind said:
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that nobody besides yourself has ever heard of drug cartels. You are engendering nothing but derision for your arrogance. And you want to talk about silly parallels? Equating smoking weed with killing babies? It's embarrassing for anybody over the age of 16 to think like that, much less posit it as a position that adults should take seriously.

If you have to ask why, then you're simply not mature enough to hold this discussion. You want to open those doors of 3-time-removed responsibility, you better damn well be willing to explain how your pet cause is more worth such navel-gazing, while other's (whose indulgence isn't a concern of yours, as well) is suddenly ridiculous.
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I never mentioned anything about killing babies, that was another poster ;) but yes, you're financing murderers when you pay for illegal drugs.
 
Comparing Chinese manufacturers to latin american cartels is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. And, in Elsk's defense, I doubt anyone in the states 'knows' cartels like latin-americans know cartels.
 
elsk said:
I never mentioned anything about killing babies, that was another poster ;) but yes, you're financing murderers when you pay for illegal drugs.
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And doing a great many other things. Ready to create that list, yet? Judging a thing based on the worst possible outcome of it is a horrible, horrible way of judging anything. We don't do that for pretty much any other activity and expect to be taken seriously, but suddenly, it's okay for this one thing? No dice.


cousins said:
Comparing Chinese manufacturers to latin american cartels is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. And, in Elsk's defense, I doubt anyone in the states 'knows' cartels like latin-americans know cartels.
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You missed the point so very, very hard.
 
cousins said:
Comparing Chinese manufacturers to latin american cartels is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. And, in Elsk's defense, I doubt anyone in the states 'knows' cartels like latin-americans know cartels.
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You've read elsk's posts and that's the stupidest comparison you've heard all day? Please, don't come in here and enable this bullshit.
 
The only time stoners express any emotion other than hunger and sloth is when you insinuate that their miracle herb is grown by criminals, and that getting high is not only a waste of time and money but can also be a danger to others

Oh sorry, I mean "hell yeah bra, get high everyday 420 weed cures cancer replace cotton with hemp and gasoline with hemp oil"
 
WanderingWind said:
And doing a great many other things. Ready to create that list, yet? Judging a thing based on the worst possible outcome of it is a horrible, horrible way of judging anything. We don't do that for pretty much any other activity and expect to be taken seriously, but suddenly, it's okay for this one thing? No dice.
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I don't quite understand what you said, my english is not that good. But if you're referring by any chance to illegal drug money being used in good things then you need a reality check.

Did you search for Cadereyta+narco? Please do it, before posting again in this topic without having a clue of what drug cartels do.
 
EnderWiggles said:
The only time stoners express any emotion other than hunger and sloth is when you insinuate that their miracle herb is grown by criminals, and that getting high is not only a waste of time and money but can also be a danger to others

Oh sorry, I mean "hell yeah bra, get high everyday 420 weed cures cancer replace cotton with hemp and gasoline with hemp oil"
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Caricatures are the idiot's way of understanding the world around them.
 
Testing for weed is just terrible. Harder drugs I can understand, and I could understand if you were stoned AT school. But what you do on your own time shouldn't be a problem.

If it IS deemed to be a problem, then they should test for alcohol and tobacco as well.
 
elsk said:
I don't quite understand what you said, my english is not that good. But if you're referring by any chance to illegal drug money being used in good things then you need a reality check.

Did you search for Cadereyta+narco? Please do it, before posting again in this topic without having a clue of what drug cartels do.
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Yeah, no offense, but it's clear that your English isn't so good, if this is your take away. (Seriously, no offense. I can't speak 2 languages, so you're doing better than I could in Spanish) However, that in no way excuses your poor attitude. You are not the sole enlightened soul in a field of sheeple. Drop that bullshit.
 
WanderingWind said:
Yeah, no offense, but it's clear that your English isn't so good, if this is your take away. (Seriously, no offense. I can't speak 2 languages, so you're doing better than I could in Spanish) However, that in no way excuses your poor attitude. You are not the sole enlightened soul in a field of sheeple. Drop that bullshit.
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No but I do live in a country directly affected by cartels. If you actually compared asian companies to drug cartels then I'm pretty sure you don't know a bit about it.

In a no offensive way, I suggest you to google seach for Cadereyta+narco, and then if you have the time to investigate a little bit more about cartels. I'm pretty sure most americans know as much about cartels as they did about Al-Qaeda before the 11sept/2001. And like it or not, you guys are the #1 funders of the carteles.
 
elsk said:
No but I do live in a country directly affected by cartels. If you actually compared asian companies to drug cartels then I'm pretty sure you don't know a bit about it.

In a no offensive way, I suggest you to google seach for Cadereyta+narco, and then if you have the time to investigate a little bit more about cartels. I'm pretty sure most americans know as much about cartels as they did about Al-Qaeda before the 11sept/2001.
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Christsake. "You don't know cartels like I do because you don't live here. Now let me tell you about American society and how ignorant I think they are."

You also missed the point about this "comparison." There isn't a comparison in the subject matter, elsk. There is a comparison in the ridiculousness of the claims. If you do a great, great many things, you are indirectly contributing to misery somewhere. It's an uncomfortable fact of living that most people tend to ignore. It's not some great intellectual endeavor to point this out. It's that reason why you're getting so much push back...not that you're teaching us so many great unknown truths, but that you're proselytizing on your pet subject, and ignoring the misery you, yourself contribute to. Dismissing it so flippantly is exactly what others are doing to you. There is a reason for that.
 
WanderingWind said:
Christsake. "You don't know cartels like I do because you don't live here. Now let me tell you about American society and how ignorant I think they are."

You also missed the point about this "comparison." There isn't a comparison in the subject matter, elsk. There is a comparison in the ridiculousness of the claims. If you do a great, great many things, you are indirectly contributing to misery somewhere. It's an uncomfortable fact of living that most people tend to ignore. It's not some great intellectual endeavor to point this out. It's that reason why you're getting so much push back...not that you're teaching us so many great unknown truths, but that you're proselytizing on your pet subject, and ignoring the misery you, yourself contribute to. Dismissing it so flippantly is exactly what others are doing to you. There is a reason for that.
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I get your point, but that just tells me the little you know about cartels really. I get people needs to be poor so other people can be rich, but that's not the subject here. We're talking about terrorists killing people just because they have the power and money to do so, not talking about people being poor.

Your asian companies comparison would work if we were talking about for example the fruit/banana companies in Central America, but that's a very different subject. We also have manufacturing companies here, just like the asian ones, but that a whole different topic and not as big as the carteles.
 
elsk said:
I get your point, but that just tells me the little you know about cartels really. I get people needs to be poor so other people can be rich, but that's not the subject here. We're talking about terrorists killing people just because they have the power and money to do so, not talking about people being poor.

Your asian companies comparison would work if we were talking about for example the fruit/banana companies in Central America, but that's a very different subject. We also have manufacturing companies here, just like the asian ones, but that a whole different topic and not as big as the carteles.
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See, I said literally nothing about "poor" or wealth. Clearly, the language barrier is too much to overcome here. Maybe after this Rosetta Stone shit kicks in, we'll try this again.
 
animlboogy said:
There is no positive gain in scaring people that way. All it does is create opposition and support for criminalization where there shouldn't be. Do any of you think enforcing laws this intensely, while alcohol is just a necessary evil, is a good thing? How is that a good use of resources? Humans in every society have always used some kind of drug. So in the face of that fact, why should we spend so much effort condemning those who choose to use the least dangerous drug there is?
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We shouldn't. Any anybody who has ever uttered the words 'nanny state' or 'personal freedom' has no excuse for supporting the criminalization of pot.
 
WanderingWind said:
See, I said literally nothing about "poor" or wealth. Clearly, the language barrier is too much to overcome here. Maybe after this Rosetta Stone shit kicks in, we'll try this again.
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Again, I invite you to search and investigate a little bit. I think you know very little about the topic, outside of your comfort zone. I think you're just trying to get away with your untouched point of view so you don't feel bad when you contribute to entire families being decapitated by the carteles.

Tell what where you referring when saying " If you do a great, great many things, you are indirectly contributing to misery somewhere", then.
 
elsk said:
Again, I invite you to search and investigate a little bit. I think you know very little about the topic, outside of your comfort zone.
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Yeah, that's not a language thing. Now, you're either trolling, or just being pious for the sake of it.

For the final time. You are not the only person in the world who has ever heard of cartels. This is not some secret, unknown knowledge. They have been a major source of news in America, especially along the border for quite a long time.

It's as if we're discussing diamond sales, and you continue to tell people to study up on blood diamonds like you just heard Kanye rap about them for the first time. Do you really not understand this? Can I make it any more clear?
 
WanderingWind said:
Yeah, that's not a language thing. Now, you're either trolling, or just being pious for the sake of it.

For the final time. You are not the only person in the world who has ever heard of cartels. This is not some secret, unknown knowledge. They have been a major source of news in America, especially along the border for quite a long time.

It's as if we're discussing diamond sales, and you continue to tell people to study up on blood diamonds like you just heard Kanye rap about them for the first time. Do you really not understand this? Can I make it any more clear?
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Of course, since you and your family and friends or even your environment haven't been affected be the carteles directly, you can't relate.

I'm sure most american people only started to care about Al Qaeda after 11 sept 2001. What if cartels killed a member of your family? I'm sure your way of thinking would change. The problem is your knowledge of it is limited to buying it, smoking it and done! You don't get the actual results of giving those monsters money.
 
elsk said:
Of course, since you and your family and friends or even your environment haven't been affected be the carteles directly, you can't relate.

I'm sure most american people only started to care about Al Qaeda after 11 sept 2001. What if cartels killed a member of your family? I'm sure your way of thinking would change. The problem is your knowledge of it is buying it, smoking it and done! You don't get the actual results of giving those monsters money.
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I can't even begin to fathom how many assumptions you've made this entire discussion. You're simply incorrect about a great many things, from what you think Americans are aware of, to the strength of emotional appeals. It really has to be a language thing. There really is only 2 options here, so I'll take the generous one. Again, it's not a knock. If we both spoke the same tongue natively, I'm sure we'd understand one another much better.

But, language barrier or no, you may want to consider that you're not the only person aware of the world at large. Attempting to condescendingly preach to people (even if, unlike this case, you were correct in your assumptions) is no way to get a point across.
 
The Jason said:
But the problem is, as the OP pointed out, hard drugs like cocaine only take a couple days to leave the system, while pot takes weeks. So you basically persecute the wrong people with these tests.
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No, they persecute people who are breaking the law (unless they have a cannabis prescription), which is completely valid. Not saying I agree with the way pot legality is right now, though.

Though it is kind of silly that only the pot users get the hard end of the stick when hard drugs leave the body faster.
 
Have you stopped smoking pot ever since you found out that they were going to test you for it?

If you have, then just hope it will get flushed out of your system.
If you are still smoking, then I hope no one here will comfort you.
 
nilbog21 said:
I just got an email saying all students will be drug tested. However, it doesn't say WHEN which is KILLING me! You guys think they will send me another e-mail warning me and giving me at least +30 days (which is how long it takes for cannabis to exit your system iirc). I'm afraid I'm going to randomly get an email saying it will be in a week or something crazy. No hard drugs btw, but shit I wouldn't be worried if I did those since those leave your system in a few days..

GAF please comfort me
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Why would they send you an email 30 days in advance? Do you not understand the point of a drug test?
 
SquiddyBiscuit said:
Have you stopped smoking pot ever since you found out that they were going to test you for it?

If you have, then just hope it will get flushed out of your system.
If you are still smoking, then I hope no one here will comfort you.
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In a functional sense, I agree: when a train is coming towards you, get out of the way.

But in terms of principles: this drug test is a morally wrong form of state control that has no place in a free society. Fuck drug tests.

(unless it's for a job where drug use might compromise the safety of others: pilots, construction, etc. But a voluntary paid career is a whole other story from education)
 
BocoDragon said:
In a functional sense, I agree: when a train is coming towards you, get out of the way.

But in terms of principles: this drug test is a morally wrong form of state control that has no place in a free society. Fuck drug tests.

(unless it's for a job where drug use might compromise the safety of others: pilots, construction, etc. But a voluntary paid career is a whole other story from education)
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Like nursing.....
 
BocoDragon said:
In a functional sense, I agree: when a train is coming towards you, get out of the way.

But in terms of principles: this drug test is a morally wrong form of state control that has no place in a free society. Fuck drug tests.

(unless it's for a job where drug use might compromise the safety of others: pilots, construction, etc)
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I don't agree with the softer drugs being illegalized, so that's more of a practical advice than anything. If he knows that he will be tested, and still goes on to use drugs, then he is either stupid enough to deserve his fate, or so addicted that getting caught might give him the impetus to turn around his life and stop smoking.
 
elsk said:
Would you guys keep buying it if you were financing Al-Qaeda and the 11 september kinds of things? If so, then USA people are very hypocrite.
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Oh man. Are these, like, serious posts? What kind of edumacation are people getting about drugs these days?
 
alphaNoid said:
Stop making sense, Drug-GAF doesn't like that.

edit. Nothing wrong a little weed IMO
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Of course. If you know you're going to get tested, don't smoke. Pretty common sense stuff. Doesn't make the increasing encroachment into personal lives by employers into anything less worrisome. Obviously, certain careers should ensure their employees are uninhibited while on the clock (and for certain occupations where you're never really 'off the clock,' banned) but when it has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with hunting marijuana witches, that's a problem.
 
SquiddyBiscuit said:
I don't agree with the softer drugs being illegalized, so that's more of a practical advice than anything. If he knows that he will be tested, and still goes on to use drugs, then he is either stupid enough to deserve his fate, or so addicted that getting caught might give him the impetus to turn around his life and stop smoking.
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Yes, you are right that he should do what he can to avoid this.

But "turning around his life"? That almost makes it sound like the ban in marijuana is sane- actually something that must be avoided to live a productive life. It isn't.
 
BocoDragon said:
Yes, you are right that he should do what he can to avoid this.

But "turning around his life"? That almost makes it sound like the ban in marijuana is sane- actually something that must be avoided to live a productive life. It isn't.
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If he is so addicted that he can't take a temporary stop to pass a drug test then yes, it is something he should avoid to live a productive life.
 
I thought Nursing schools and Pharmacy schools tended to do this because they don't like having users on the premises. I could be wrong though.
 
IrishNinja said:
square-GAF in full effect, i bet some of you guys still rock D.A.R.E. shirts
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:lol Cut them some slack, man. It's cool to be square.

P.S.: I smoked all through high school and college (twice now) and my GPA rarely ever dropped below a four point.

noobasuar said:
All this thread does is make me wish that gaf still had a weed thread :(
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Maybe when it's legal in a few states after the vote?

Though, it'd still be illegal federally, so I'm not sure how big brother Google would feel about that.
 
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