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Those two absolutely campaigned on the "between one man and one woman" idea when it was convenient to do so. So they're off the hook because they didn't specifically mention Prop 8 or give it money?
No they absolutely didn't. They evolved from supporting "civil unions" to supporting out and out marriage, and that's about it. I agree that backing civil unions instead of full blown marriage was political cowardice, but there's a big difference between that and actively contributing funds to Proposition 8.

Your post was a piece of shit.
 
i like how people aren't allowed to have an opinion

i like how firefox is suddenly a worse product because one of the people working there might believe in magic faries

i also like how people don't realize how close minded they are being for this whole thing

btw guys, people who invented the internet might've been against gay marriage, since it wasn't a popular opinion back then. you guys should stop using the internet. i'm pretty sure many inventors behind products you use everyday were against it as well. might want to live the woods from now on, since you can't really tell which products are safe
lol

i suppose its okay to hold discriminatory beliefs because yeah subjectivity
 
No they absolutely didn't. They evolved from supporting "civil unions" to supporting out and out marriage, and that's about it. I agree that backing civil unions instead of full blown marriage was political cowardice, but there's a big difference between that and actively contributing funds to Proposition 8.

Your post was a piece of shit.

Go watch some of the Democratic debates, buddy.
 
Then he'd be called a racist? Being a racist doesn't prevent you from having a job.

There'd be no question that if he donated to a white supremacist group that called for an amendment that would have banned interracial marriage, his job would have been called for immediately after it came to light.
 
Everybody calling for this guy's career to be over because of a political donation that he made six years ago in support of a proposition that embodied the official political stance of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama
<<While Democratic presidential nominee and U.S. Senator, Barack Obama stated that while he personally considered marriage to be between a man and woman,[93] and supported civil unions that confer comparable rights rather than gay marriage,[94] he opposed "divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution... the U.S. Constitution or those of other states."[95] Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joseph Biden also opposed the proposition.[96]>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
 
Because it's not an equivalent situation.

What if Eich had donated to a white supremacist cause?

Then that's his choice to, and as long as he doesn't let it change how he runs his company that's his personal choice. There's a difference between what he does in his private life and what he does leading the company, and I think that's an important distinction. He could be an awful person in his own personal life, but that should only affect how you view him, not how you think he can perform his job.

Either side of the issue isn't equivalent.

That's the point.

Why not? He has just as much right to have an opinion on the issue as you do. I disagree with his opinion, but I think taking away his right to have one isn't fair.
 
Go watch some of the Democratic debates, buddy.

There is a large difference between non-sincere tepid public opposition to gay marriage and being publicly against Prop 8 (and then apologizing for said non-sincere tepid public opposition) and actually donating money to Prop 8 in a sincere attempt to deprive gays and lesbians of their right to marry.
 
Why not? He has just as much right to have an opinion on the issue as you do. I disagree with his opinion, but I think taking away his right to have one isn't fair.

Who's taking his right to have an opinion away? He publicly supported a restriction of gay rights and people don't like that stink on a product or their company.
 
Then that's his choice to, and as long as he doesn't let it change how he runs his company that's his personal choice. There's a difference between what he does in his private life and what he does leading the company, and I think that's an important distinction. He could be an awful person in his own personal life, but that should only affect how you view him, not how you think he can perform his job.



Why not? He has just as much right to have an opinion on the issue as you do. I disagree with his opinion, but I think taking away his right to have one isn't fair.

People are welcome to have an opinion, but it's CEOs and public figures have to step down all the time due to revealing past behavior. This is no different. If having someone who is a racist or a homophobe as the CEO of the company is bad for the company's image, it's completely in their right to have him resign.
 
What if he financially support FGM groups in Africa... would that be "political opinion"?

Homophobia is in the same class of hate as misogyny and racism. It does not deserve tolerance.
 
<<While Democratic presidential nominee and U.S. Senator, Barack Obama stated that while he personally considered marriage to be between a man and woman,[93] and supported civil unions that confer comparable rights rather than gay marriage,[94] he opposed "divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution... the U.S. Constitution or those of other states."[95] Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joseph Biden also opposed the proposition.[96]>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)

This means what to the current topic? Has Mr. Mozilla changed his opinion like Obama has or are you just trying to be your normal shit stirrer self?
 
Go watch some of the Democratic debates, buddy.
No.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../how-hillary-clinton-evolved-on-gay-marriage/

In October of 2000, Clinton made clear in response to a question from a gay voter that she did back civil unions -- implemented in Vermont that fall.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/06/22/250931/timeline-barack-obama-marriage-equality/

2004 – LESS CONCERNED ABOUT ‘MARRIAGE’: In an interview with the Windy City Times, Obama avoided the issue of marriage, saying “I think we can get civil unions passed. [...] I’m less concerned about the name.”

Both precede the debates and whatever this 2013 shit is that you're pulling out of the furthest reaches of your shitty ass.
 
Absolute nonsense.

The guys opinions are his own, he wasn't employed by the company at the time and even if he was, they do not reflect the position of Mozilla as a whole.
 
Damn, that's a shame to learn. The story of JavaScript and how Eich created it is pretty cool/crazy. He's clearly very intelligent, so I definitely find it confusing/disappointing.

I don't. I know a lot of old school (non-Millennial) engineers, and they're disproportionately conservative. My company has a lot of them, and some of them are shockingly, loudly conservative, to the point where you'd think you walked into a tea party rally. You wonder how so many people who rely on science to get their job done can be so anti-science at times...

I know there's a lot of left leaning people in the tech industry, but you usually find them in start-ups. The old, conservative curmudgeons just migrate to older, established companies.
 
Yes it is. Step back for a minute and ignore that you are pro gay rights.

i'm gonna stop you right there

no

you've made a bad post and i'm not sure why you want to argue the point so much. being for gay rights and being against gay rights are not equivalent positions. period.
 
Absolute nonsense.

The guys opinions are his own, he wasn't employed by the company at the time and even if he was, they do not reflect the position of Mozilla as a whole.

Once you give money to an organization and publicly support a proposition it goes beyond the realm of opinion into activism.
 
Then he'd be called a racist? Being a racist doesn't prevent you from having a job.



Yes it is. Step back for a minute and ignore that you are pro gay rights. If it is ok for a company to fire someone for believing in one thing, then it should be perfectly ok to fire them for believing something else. In this case, it should not be ok either way. As I said earlier in the thread, what is next, boycotting companies whose leadership donates to political parties that disagree with yours?

This is not a chik fil a situation.
1. Being racist can lead to a person getting fired.

2. This argument has absolutely no logical merit. You are arguing that he is being fired for holding position X and that position X spans the entirety of possible opinions. However, in this case X is defined...being able to fire him for his position only leads to the ability of firing people for holding that exact same position.
 
Absolute nonsense.

The guys opinions are his own, he wasn't employed by the company at the time and even if he was, they do not reflect the position of Mozilla as a whole.
if you choose to keep a homophobe in charge of your company rather than forcing him to step down it sort of does
 
The deflecting of the real problem by people trying to reduce this down to simply one man having an opinion is so poorly thought out.

Thinking gay dudes are gross is an opinion. Actively supporting taking gay rights away is not an opinion.
 
Some really, really desperate reaching from the Prop 8 supporter defense force. Funny stuff. And even funnier that it feels kind of quaint and distant-- like a shitty memory from 2008.
 
i like how people aren't allowed to have an opinion

i like how firefox is suddenly a worse product because one of the people working there might believe in magic faries

i also like how people don't realize how close minded they are being for this whole thing. ironically

btw guys, people who invented the internet might've been against gay marriage, since it wasn't a popular opinion back then. you guys should stop using the internet. i'm pretty sure many inventors behind products you use everyday were against it as well. might want to live the woods from now on, since you can't really tell which products are safe

No one said people aren't allowed to have an opinion.

No one commented on the quality of Firefox.

Why is it close-minded to not want to use a product that is headed by someone that actively/publicly/monetarily pursues the opposition of a group of people's rights based on how they were born. By similar logic, it would be close-minded for military parents to not want to use services from companies headed by Fred Phelps.

We are not talking about an inventor, we are talking about the current public face of a company.
 
The deflecting of the real problem by people trying to reduce this down to simply one man having an opinion is so poorly thought out.

Thinking gay dudes are gross is an opinion. Actively supporting taking gay rights away is not an opinion.
Yup. Opinion vs. Action. Though as a CEO opinion matters too because he has significant influence on company policy unlike the cashier at Hobby Lobby.
 
if you choose to keep a homophobe in charge of your company rather than forcing him to step down it sort of does

I'm not making the connection Not in support of gay marriage=Homophobe. Sorry, but I honestly believe you can have no problem with homosexuality and still not be in favour of gay marriage, In the same way you can be homophobic and not give a shit..
 
I'm not making the connection Not in support of gay marriage=Homophobe. Sorry, but I honestly believe you can have no problem with homosexuality and still not be in favour of gay marriage, In the same way you can be homophobic and not give a shit..

This is an entirely asinine thought process.
 
if you choose to keep a homophobe in charge of your company rather than forcing him to step down it sort of does

This is where that whole legal logic of "corporations are entities distinct from the people running it" is really highlighted as an idiotic policy. People, as an organization, make decisions.

Sorry, but I honestly believe you can have no problem with homosexuality and still not be in favour of gay marriage

But you can't. Not logically speaking.
 
I'm not making the connection Not in support of gay marriage=Homophobe. Sorry, but I honestly believe you can have no problem with homosexuality and still not be in favour of gay marriage, In the same way you can be homophobic and not give a shit..
It's not that I have a problem with colored folk, of course, I just don't want them marrying the white women.
 
I'm not making the connection Not in support of gay marriage=Homophobe. Sorry, but I honestly believe you can have no problem with homosexuality and still not be in favour of gay marriage, In the same way you can be homophobic and not give a shit..


That is quite literally impossible. You simply cannot have no problem with homosexuality and be against gay marriage.
 
That is quite literally impossible. You simply cannot have no problem with homosexuality and be against gay marriage.

If your position is borne from religion, yes you can.

Same as you can consider 90% of the world as sinners that are going to hell but still treat them as normal people and not lepers.
 
I'm not making the connection Not in support of gay marriage=Homophobe. Sorry, but I honestly believe you can have no problem with homosexuality and still not be in favour of gay marriage, In the same way you can be homophobic and not give a shit..

Well, you are wrong.

If you believe seperate but equal, then you are a homophobe.

If it has to be seperate, or not exist, then you dont like gays.

You have a problem with homosexuality if you are opposed to gay marriage.

Believe till the cows come home, it doesnt make it true.
 
If your position is borne from religion, yes you can.

Same as you can consider 90% of the world as sinners that are going to hell but still treat them as normal people and not lepers.


People that are against homosexuality and gay marriage for religious reasons have a problem with homosexuality and gay marriage.
 
Since we're in an era where freedom of speech and opinion is outrageously conflated with the freedom to express an opinion without consequences enacted by equally free individuals and organisations, I feel compelled to point out that freedom of speech does not grant immunity from criticism. If OkCupid's management disagree with the new CEO of Mozilla, they are quite free to express that disagreement in any way they see fit.
 
If your position is borne from religion, yes you can.

Same as you can consider 90% of the world as sinners that are going to hell but still treat them as normal people and not lepers.

If your position is born from religion then you definately are a homophobe. You cant think its a sin, do the 'oh but we all sin' spin, then think yourself not homophobic.
 
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