TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I'm currently playing Baldur's Gate II and that game puts to shame all modern RPGs when it comes to quest design and writting.
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Old ass games which feel better than modern day games
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p_xavier
Authorized Fister
It's a shame that the controls from Samus Returns were put into Dread, I absolutely find it trash to play.
bender
What time is it?
I hate the parry system so very much.
RAIDEN1
Member
I was thinking if splashdown was compatible with the 360....looks like it isn't..Most extreme sports and arcade sports games were better and more fun(and arguably reached their peak) during the PS2/Xbox/GC era, since currently only Ubisoft now makes them for consoles/PC.
Splashdown for PS2(Also looked really good)
Outlaw Volleyball
Def Jam Vendetta 1 and 2:
Nearly everything EA Big studios made:
SSX series
NBA Street Vol 1 and 2.
NFL Street Vol 1 and 2.
Honorable mentions Aggressive Inline, Jet Set Radio Series, Virtua Tennis, NHL Blitz, NFL Blitz series and NBA Jam/NBA Showtime.
What the hell happened to sports games?
Shifty
Member
I'm conflicted on this one. On the one hand, it feels sublime when you've played enough that precisely controlling the Force becomes muscle memory. So technical, with dynamic answers to all sorts of enemy setups, yet simple enough that you don't need to think.
Still the best side scrolling shooter I've played.
On the other, the journey to that peak of mastery is utterly soul crushing and fraught with memorization due to the harsh checkpoint restarts and beefy ship hurtbox.
At the end of the day I guess nothing has done it better - nobody's really succeeded in ripping it off, and everything up to and including R-Type Final 2 keeps up the brutally unforgiving standard.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Asteroids has better physics than most modern games the last 25 years.
darrylgorn
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Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Tell that to people who had to deal with tape drives on our Commodores and Ataris. I know the UK guys had to deal with it more than us with the Spec. I went full Atari because they focused on cartridges which weren't as cheap but were sturdy and loaded fast which was worth it, I did that until the Disc Drives dropped in price and I saved up for one and never looked back and touched tape again.
I will never forget when Tandy put out this one expensive computer no one was buying, and through a big promotion, they charged $80 more for it's "advanced" tape drive compared to the lowest cost Disc Drive on the same shield, it was hysterical, I tried messing with the sales rep and he was just making stuff up trying to sell the Tape Drive. "unlike Disc it's double encrypted so your data is safe, and it takes less power so you save up to $800 a year on your power bill" bad salesmen, but could make a good PR rep.
And even if focusing on console 8-bits I've seen XEGS sold with tape drives, but I have no clue who would use tapes over cartridges, at least in the US.
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Pasta la Vista
Member
Nothing has topped this game in the series. And no indie game that that was inspired by Contra has ever topped it either. This is the absolute pinnacle of the genre.
Shifty
Member
The horror! The horror!Also, do remasters count?
Cause:
I embrace it
A real hidden gem, though I think I love it more for the world structure, setting, poetic aspirations and character than how it feels to play.
And also how seriously Mike takes being the Shadow Man. Jaunty immediately undermining the legendary-beyond-reproach station of Deadwalker is absolute gold
amigastar
Member
Agree, Gothic 1/2 were fantastic and Chronicles of Myrtana feels awesome too.
anthraticus
Banned
Agree about modern sports games. The big problem with them is they want everything to be almost photo realistic in animations and presentation. So it makes the games feel too automated and not very responsive, controls wise. They aren’t twitch fun like sports actually are or like the older versions of the games were more like.
And braininess modern (AAA) RPGs that are pretty much on autopilot, where you're just going around following markers and directions obviously blow compared to classic cRPGs that you actually have to figure out and play....not just be led thru everything like a freakin dummy.
Entire genres that were great like SP tactical shooters don't even exist anymore....lol. So yea, a whole lot of shit.
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baphomet
Member
Those weren't even good controls of the time.
Shifty
Member
What do you consider the gold standard of the time for pad FPS?
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baphomet
Member
No one is asking about pad games.
Quake shit on all fps controls for years.
Goldeneye can't even hold a candle to modern fps controls. Peak Goldeneye movement is literally looking at the ground to move at your highest speed.
Leviathicus
Member
The Sims 1 is way more fun and filled with interesting/weird things than all of the sequels by a mile.
Shifty
Member
No one is asking you anything. You quoted my post about controls in old pad games being better than the modern equivalent, can't blame me for expecting more than a cheap driveby
And still does because PC controls never changed, that's a given. It was also wack on console.
Rendering less stuff makes the game run faster for niche speedrun purposes, whoa. That has naff all to do with controls.
Daytonabot
Banned
This thread has restored some of my faith in humanity.
SpiceRacz
Member
Add Sega Worldwide Soccer to that list.
Fools idol
Banned
No one posted Baldurs Gate 2 or Arcanum yet, so I'm posting Baldurs Gate 2 and Arcanum.
cRPG's had somewhat of a renaissance recently but in general they all just try to emulate the goat, BG2. So many thing were peaked, and obvious quality of life / graphical advances and modern mechanics aside, they are still a league ahead when it comes to story, gameplay and companions.
Diablo 2 also an honourable mention for cementing it's benchmark so deeply on the aRPG genre.
cRPG's had somewhat of a renaissance recently but in general they all just try to emulate the goat, BG2. So many thing were peaked, and obvious quality of life / graphical advances and modern mechanics aside, they are still a league ahead when it comes to story, gameplay and companions.
Diablo 2 also an honourable mention for cementing it's benchmark so deeply on the aRPG genre.
Alan Silvestro
Member
Street Fighter II and super ssf2. Fun, great graphic and sound, no boring parry, megasupercombo, etc... Only pure fighting skill.
SenkiDala
Member
I totally agree about the Dreamcast ! Most of the games whatever genre it is are an absolute joy to play. It’s just pure fun, you put the game and you play and the gameplay Is just awesome.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
My ex always said this felt the best to play even 20 years later.
cartman414
Member
Which computer?
darrylgorn
Member
The horror! The horror!
I embrace it
A real hidden gem, though I think I love it more for the world structure, setting, poetic aspirations and character than how it feels to play.
And also how seriously Mike takes being the Shadow Man. Jaunty immediately undermining the legendary-beyond-reproach station of Deadwalker is absolute gold
Mikey and Gordon are still waiting..
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TheGecko
Banned
How old are you by the way?
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
Fantasian is utterly amazing. If the frame rate could be more stable, and the game had a few more QOL improvements. If you put this on console, it would have likely won GoTY.It’ll only get better. It’s a fantastic game tbh. I’m playing the remake and as a fan of the original it’s honestly absolutely terrible, the only things I like there over the original is the graphics and extra story. The core gameplay is nothing like the original, feels like playing a third person action game by a dev who hasn’t made those types of games before. The original has legit strategic combat, it can get awfully repetitive at times due to the random encounters but big fights are absolutely awesome. And once you get out on the open map you’ll see the beauty of that versus a more linear approach. Take your time and explore. Enjoy!
Once you’re done, if you have a chance you should go try Fantasian on Apple Arcade too. It’s not as good, not as finely tuned in direction and has some difficulty spike, but it’s still great and the FF7 origin shines through, it’s made by the same person - Hironobu Sakaguchi. Very unique visual style, the scenery is made up from photos from diorama models.
adamosmaki
Member
Depends on the genre. Rpgs survival games are better nowdays but shooters especially single player and rts games are nowhere near the variety and quality of 90s and early 00s. Where is my hexen, blood, shogo red alert etc etc?
baphomet
Member
Old enough that my first console was a 2600.
TheGecko
Banned
Then you should be old enough to know better.
Operations66
Banned
Exactly. Racing games feel like auto mechanic simulators now.Outrun 2 still curbstomps modern racing games.
It's unashamedly a video game before anything else, all about tight mechanics, exciting presentation, and throwing newton's second law of motion under the bus for the sake of fun.
Not once does it ask you to tune your shocks, balance your suspension, or upgrade your body kit in order to feel good. And it'll never gip you with intentionally bad rolls on a daily roulette spin.
Fess
Member
In short we got the old school Final Fantasy they stopped making. I actually wanted to vote for it at the GOTY voting here but it wasn’t available in the list. It wasn’t my GOTY though but maybe around #7.
Some longer story cutscene segments felt rushed in a way by being drawings, it’s like they hadn’t had time to do a cutscene and used the storyboard concept art instead. And some boss fights were absolutely brutal, could take like an hour to finish.
But in the end I still loved it.
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
I second this and if
Tesseract
were here, he'd do the same. The P.C. version is where I got started and must have played it 3 times back to back. I bought the N64 port in the late 90's and it just wasn't the same. Legend of Zelda (the first) and A Link to the Past on SNES/Super Famicom never seems to get old. I see many modern games that have used that formula but they don't quite measure up.
Speaking of games that feel better than modern...what about those which keep getting ported from generation to generation like RE:4? The original Gamecube release of RE:4 to me is still hand's down the best they ever made of it. It's not super old (as I don't feel 2000's as something 'old' but maybe classic).
MiguelItUp
Member
All of the N64 Asmik & AKI wrestling games, No Mercy, WCW Vs NWO, Wrestlemania 2000, etc. I feel like there hasn't been a wrestling game since, that feels as good or better than that. I feel like it's a dragon that I'm still chasing.
All of those exaggerated arcade-y sports games like NFL Blitz, NBA Jam, Slugfest. Even the Street series.
FPS games. Too many to list. I think it's wild looking at the period where SO many FPS games had a LOT of content. A good/great campaign, some even with coop, then a full fledged multiplayer with various modes that the game shipped with. Just SO much content. I remember playing DOOM 2016 and being SO happy because it almost felt like a return to form with how much varied content there was in the game. But then DOOM Eternal felt like a step backward, though I still enjoyed it.
All of those exaggerated arcade-y sports games like NFL Blitz, NBA Jam, Slugfest. Even the Street series.
FPS games. Too many to list. I think it's wild looking at the period where SO many FPS games had a LOT of content. A good/great campaign, some even with coop, then a full fledged multiplayer with various modes that the game shipped with. Just SO much content. I remember playing DOOM 2016 and being SO happy because it almost felt like a return to form with how much varied content there was in the game. But then DOOM Eternal felt like a step backward, though I still enjoyed it.
PaddyOCanager
Member
I played Super Metroid for the first time in my life right before Dread released. I like Dread but Super Metroid blows it out of the water in every way.