Wintermute
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Sounds sweet - I've always wanted an arcade perfect copy of VF2. I'll be picking up my copy on launch day. At times like these I love living in Japan.
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OMFG noooo...Virtua Fighter 2 on PS2 not 60fps! but more Model 2 ports on the way????
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ArcadeStickMonk
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Socreges said:
Then
Lazy8s said:
dark10x said:
? I feel so let down. Pick it up fresh Monday, ok?
doncale said:
IAWTP to the 74636289450678462th degree!!!! But....I want it brought to Xbox with Live support. If not, they better give the PS2 version online play with Logitech force feedback steering wheel support. Then bring on the next phase....MODEL FUCKING 3!! Daytona 2 and Scud baby! Give it to me now! So I can bathe, lather and rinse with them!
doncale said:
Precisely! There has to be....I repeat....there HAS TO BE a way Sega can get around the licensing issue with Daytona USA! I mean, just call it "Dave's Tona" or "They Told Us" or something like that.
doncale said:
Unless EA snapped up the NASCAR and Daytona licenses for the entire world. It's possible.
If I'm Sega, the way I get around it is making a new stock car arcade game, call it "Days of Thunder" under license from Paramount (and before anyone says there's no point using such an old license, we've been seeing Top Gun games for almost twenty years now), and then throw the first two Daytona games into the package under say, Days of Thunder '94 and '98, or whatever. The Daytona lyrics could stay though...EA would have no grounds to sue for that.
As for the Indy 500 Codemasters has that one sewn up, as part of their IRL licesne.
TheGreenGiant said:
:lol TGG's either piss drunk, on a dare, or being a complete idiot.
Just a couple of quick notes here...
57Hz is actually not uncommon for arcade boards, I know a lot of Midway/Atari boards drove the monitors at that refresh rate...
It'll be interesting to see how they're going to do it on a TV, given that I don't think they have low-level enough control of the CRTC to run 57.5 Hz refresh (not only that, I imagine that some TV's won't play ball with that signal...)
Actually Decathlete has 240 lines (480 interlaced) vertical, it's impossible to display 704 actual vertical lines on an NTSC display. (The PS2 can display XGA 1024x768 to a VGA monitor, but that's neither here nor there.)
You're thinking about the horizontal resolution - and it should be noted that small differences in horizontal resolution are nearly imperceptible on a television set.
Lazy8s said:
57Hz is actually not uncommon for arcade boards, I know a lot of Midway/Atari boards drove the monitors at that refresh rate...
It'll be interesting to see how they're going to do it on a TV, given that I don't think they have low-level enough control of the CRTC to run 57.5 Hz refresh (not only that, I imagine that some TV's won't play ball with that signal...)
Lazy8s said:
Actually Decathlete has 240 lines (480 interlaced) vertical, it's impossible to display 704 actual vertical lines on an NTSC display. (The PS2 can display XGA 1024x768 to a VGA monitor, but that's neither here nor there.)
You're thinking about the horizontal resolution - and it should be noted that small differences in horizontal resolution are nearly imperceptible on a television set.
jarrod said:
Out of all those tiles, they should only bother converting those:
Virtual On
Fighting Vipers
Indy 500 (super kicky fast)
Gunblade NY (most intense gun game ever)
Sonic Championship
Virtua Cop 1 & 2 (still top notch)
Virtua Striker
House of the Dead (classic)
VF2
Sega Rally (the best Rally game ever made)
Daytona USA (concentrated awesomeness)
Dead or Alive
Top Skater (fun game, but I am not sure how good it would be without the skateboard controller)
Last Bronx
Manx TT
Do not bother to disagree with me, I am the Saturnman and my word is law when it comes to Sega.
Buffy4ever
Banned
Saturnman said:Out of all those tiles, they should only bother converting those:
Virtual On
Fighting Vipers
Indy 500 (super kicky fast)
Gunblade NY (most intense gun game ever)
Sonic Championship
Virtua Cop 1 & 2 (still top notch)
Virtua Striker
House of the Dead (classic)
VF2
Sega Rally (the best Rally game ever made)
Daytona USA (concentrated awesomeness)
Dead or Alive
Top Skater (fun game, but I am not sure how good it would be without the skateboard controller)
Last Bronx
Manx TT
Do not bother to disagree with me, I am the Saturnman and my word is law when it comes to Sega.
IAWTP
FortNinety
Member
Back to my prior statement regarding Saturn ports, do you know what really needs to be ported since the Saturn version was sorta lacking? Sega Touring Car. That game gets no respect, yet it's truly awesome.
Buffy4ever
Banned
FortNinety said:
As a Saturn game "Sega Touring Car" wasn't that bad of a game. The game did have frame rate issues, but was Fun. I have never seen the arcade version. How close was the Saturn Port?
FortNinety
Member
sonic4ever said:
Funny you say those things since that's was why I said earlier that a conversion of Sega Rally was a bit unnecessary since the Saturn version was so close when compared with the arcade counterpart (with the only thing lacking being analogue support, but those with NiGHTS controllers knew how to get around that).
Well I've played Sega Touring Car and the Saturn version is sadly not that close. Sega Rally stayed at pretty rock solid 30, which not 60 like the arcade, made things playable. Touring Car on the other hand goes between 10-30 every few seconds. And considering the speed of the vehicles (I still say Touring Car is one of the fastest racers of all time) it made things damn near unplayable.
Also, the arcade version was just fucking pretty. The colors and texture quality was mud at home. I'd like to see a home conversion since no one has really gotten a chance to enjoy the arcade feeling, or anything close to it.
sonic4ever said:
It had the speed down pat...both versions remain two of the fastest conventional racers in existance. Redraw was handled very well. Those are all the positives. :lol I could still play it, but the framey as fuck visuals were beyond ugly.
Personally I'd rather see these games ported to PSP...that way it'd give me a reason to snag it. But if they were to all show up on PS2, that wouldn't bother me either. But it would take a while.
yeah, the arcade version of touring car is terrific. i've only seen the machine once, at the gameworks in las vegas, but i spent a tidy sum of money on it. saturn version seemed unplayable even at the time of its release, nevermind how it'd come off now.
sega really needs to do a better job of curating and rereleasing all their old arcade assets. namco and midway have done good business with their classics packs, and sega's catalogue is at least as rich. this vf2 port could be the turning point. or it could be a fleeting moment of lucidity amid all the botched ports and inept remakes. probably the latter.
sega really needs to do a better job of curating and rereleasing all their old arcade assets. namco and midway have done good business with their classics packs, and sega's catalogue is at least as rich. this vf2 port could be the turning point. or it could be a fleeting moment of lucidity amid all the botched ports and inept remakes. probably the latter.
isamu said:
I'm feeling hiiiiigh, so hiiiiiigh, like the sun up in the skyyyyyy...
Oh I've never felt like this before so high
so hiiiiiigh, when I look into your eyeeesss
Yeah, I've never felt like this before so high
Heh, I always loved that song for some reason.
I would still love a direct port of Sega Rally. while the Saturn conversion was very good, it wasn't all that close to the arcade, naturally, since Saturn was not even remotely the same as Model 2.
Saturn
[imghttp://www.gamezero.com/team-0/final_word/saturn/sega_rally__2.jpg[/img]
Model 2 Arcade
http://www.system16.com/sega/hrdw_model2a.html
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/index.php?page=flyerdb&subpage=thumbs&id=959
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/index.php?page=flyerdb&subpage=thumbs&id=961
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/index.php?page=flyerdb&subpage=thumbs&id=962
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/index.php?page=flyerdb&subpage=thumbs&id=963
Saturn
[imghttp://www.gamezero.com/team-0/final_word/saturn/sega_rally__2.jpg[/img]
Model 2 Arcade
http://www.system16.com/sega/hrdw_model2a.html
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/index.php?page=flyerdb&subpage=thumbs&id=959
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/index.php?page=flyerdb&subpage=thumbs&id=961
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/index.php?page=flyerdb&subpage=thumbs&id=962
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/index.php?page=flyerdb&subpage=thumbs&id=963
Back on the topic of Model 2...what was Dead or Alive Plus? I know Tecmo ported the PS1 version of DOA back to the arcade, was that it? (Hrm, it probably was, now that I think about it, it was called Dead or Alive++...) Or was it some kind of EPROM update for the Model 2 DOA?
Oh yeah, and Indy 500 and Sega Touring Car? I honestly never thought much of those games, perhaps because I never "got it" the way I got Sega Rally and Daytona...
It would be nice to get good home conversions of the gun games, though...never tried the Virtua Cop for PS2 (anyone? was it good?) and HOTD has never come home in good shape (PC and Saturn, IIRC - Saturn port was respectable at least)...
Oh yeah, and Indy 500 and Sega Touring Car? I honestly never thought much of those games, perhaps because I never "got it" the way I got Sega Rally and Daytona...
It would be nice to get good home conversions of the gun games, though...never tried the Virtua Cop for PS2 (anyone? was it good?) and HOTD has never come home in good shape (PC and Saturn, IIRC - Saturn port was respectable at least)...
Buffy4ever
Banned
Argyle said:
are you telling me the Saturn version of "House of the Dead" was better then the PC??!! Just the other day I was wishing they had included the pc version of "House of the Dead" in House of the Dead 3.
I'd kill for an exact port of Virtual On Cyber Troopers. the Saturn version is meant to be ok (never played it) and the PC PowerVR1 accelerated version was said to be closer and better but never played that either. i heard the gameplay is more strategic and not quite as close-up, like a fighting game, as it is on VOOT.
doncale said:
You know, since Sega's so intent on digging into their archives for easy cash, who do I have to fellate to get them to consider a console version of Rad Mobile?
I mean yeah, it wasn't the greatest game Sega ever released, but I liked the little details: The wipers, the headlights, the stupid Sonic doll dangling from the rear-view mirror...
I heard 'Gale Racer' was a poor port of Rad Mobile
however, Shin Force has a rather glowingly good review of it
http://www.shinforce.com/saturn/reviews/GaleRacer/GaleRacer.htm
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=DFCab.13039$3%6.10152@nwrddc03.gnilink.net&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=786445850snx@JAMIGA.IIJNET.OR.JP
however, Shin Force has a rather glowingly good review of it
http://www.shinforce.com/saturn/reviews/GaleRacer/GaleRacer.htm
Man, I dunno...
Burnout 3 is EXTREMELY fast. I'm shocked at just HOW fast it can be. When driving with the fastest series of cars through those streets, it's an absolute rush. Oddly enough, I'm using some Touring Car music with the game via custom soundtracks.
Argyle said:
Yeah, DOA++ was the System 11/PSX based version. I always preferred the Model 2 and Saturn look to that version...I remember the heated debates about which console version looked better. Ah, those were the days...well, not really.
Agreed about Indy 500...never got into it. That game probably came out at the worst time in some ways, as it was right around the time CART/Champ Car and IRL had that infamous split. American open wheel racing was huge prior to that split, even bigger then a still growing NASCAR. Now it's nothing but a shell, while NASCAR is second only to the NFL in viewership.
And it's funny about HOTD1...so many people thought this was a Model 3 game when it first came out, despite the trademark grey textures and hues that was a staple of Model 2 games. The arcade version looked incredible for the time though...that they even attempted a Saturn version still amazes me, cause from what I recall it was a pixelated mess. Still, it was playable.
Ports of the Star Wars and Jurrasic Park games aren't likely, since they're both licensed properties. Unless Sega plans to make Star Wars and JP games in the next couple years, and include those arcade games with them as bonuses, I wouldn't expect to see them.
I'd love to see a perfect port of Rad Mobile...it's one Sega arcade racer I never played for some reason. Probably because I was too damn poor at the time.
If I'm Sega, I'd port my entire Model 2 and 3 collection to PSP in two or three game packs, while I'd use the Nintendo DS to release the entire catalouge of System 16 and 32 games in similiar two or three game pack fashion (I would love to play a perfect OutRunners, which for me was the only true OutRun sequel before OR2 and badly underrated). I'd buy both handhelds in a heartbeat, and they would receive much love. Otherwise my interest in both handhelds are less then nil.
Hmmm, good point...forgot all about F355. I never even bothered with the clutch/stick mode, though the F1 shift paddles were fun as hell to use.
:lol It was far from the most attractive looking game ever, that's for sure. I think the worst thing about that game was the rear view mirror, which was pointless...all that did was slow the game up even more. Had they taken that out, maybe it could've run closer to a consistent 30fps, which would've helped tremendously. Still the visual detail was always going to be sacrificed if they hoped to keep the speed of the arcade game, which was always the game's selling point (Daytona suffered from this as well).
Oh I'm sure it's been beat by a few games (Rage Racer appears to compete with it from all accounts), but not by many. Burnout 3 certainly appears to be the all time conventional racer speed champ though.
If I'm Sega, I'd port my entire Model 2 and 3 collection to PSP in two or three game packs, while I'd use the Nintendo DS to release the entire catalouge of System 16 and 32 games in similiar two or three game pack fashion (I would love to play a perfect OutRunners, which for me was the only true OutRun sequel before OR2 and badly underrated). I'd buy both handhelds in a heartbeat, and they would receive much love. Otherwise my interest in both handhelds are less then nil.
Trojan X said:
Hmmm, good point...forgot all about F355. I never even bothered with the clutch/stick mode, though the F1 shift paddles were fun as hell to use.
Yusaku said:
:lol It was far from the most attractive looking game ever, that's for sure. I think the worst thing about that game was the rear view mirror, which was pointless...all that did was slow the game up even more. Had they taken that out, maybe it could've run closer to a consistent 30fps, which would've helped tremendously. Still the visual detail was always going to be sacrificed if they hoped to keep the speed of the arcade game, which was always the game's selling point (Daytona suffered from this as well).
dark10x said:Man, I dunno...
Burnout 3 is EXTREMELY fast. I'm shocked at just HOW fast it can be. When driving with the fastest series of cars through those streets, it's an absolute rush. Oddly enough, I'm using some Touring Car music with the game via custom soundtracks.
Oh I'm sure it's been beat by a few games (Rage Racer appears to compete with it from all accounts), but not by many. Burnout 3 certainly appears to be the all time conventional racer speed champ though.
I can't see How Star Wars Trilogy could make a port, since you had to use that left/right lightsabre.
If they really intend to make a Jurassic Park 4, a port and graphical upgrade of the shoot-em-up wouldn't go too badly. It was just a shooter wasn't it, or did it use a special controller?
I loved Virtual On for the Saturn, I found the controllers to be so much better than the Arcade or the Dreamcast version, it suited the control better.
It's a shame Virtual On Marz did terribly, but it was a bit of a dodgy game, wasn't it? There was barely any hype around it either.
SEGA really started off the generation with a bang on the Dreamcast, They started a load of new franchises in those first 2-3 years, but the whole system got cluttered when they went 3rd party. Heres to hoping they start anew with the PS3/XboxNext/GCRev, and rebuild from there.
If they really intend to make a Jurassic Park 4, a port and graphical upgrade of the shoot-em-up wouldn't go too badly. It was just a shooter wasn't it, or did it use a special controller?
I loved Virtual On for the Saturn, I found the controllers to be so much better than the Arcade or the Dreamcast version, it suited the control better.
It's a shame Virtual On Marz did terribly, but it was a bit of a dodgy game, wasn't it? There was barely any hype around it either.
SEGA really started off the generation with a bang on the Dreamcast, They started a load of new franchises in those first 2-3 years, but the whole system got cluttered when they went 3rd party. Heres to hoping they start anew with the PS3/XboxNext/GCRev, and rebuild from there.
Trojan X said:
No and no.
F355 may be unforgiving, but I can always tell when I will hit the grass or a wall. I don't consider it unfair. Just follow a rigid racing line and take corners at precise speed and you you will rank in the top 3 racer in almost everytime. I consider games like Super GT harder because the powersliding requires a lot of finesse.
And Daytona USA and Super GT have better soundtracks than STC. I'd say both Sega Rally do too.
I don't really think Super GT is any more difficult than F355. They both require knowing the top speed at which to take turns so you don't spin out and screw up your position in the race. If I had to give either game the edge I'd give it to F355-- the cars are the same and they accel the same, so the only way to win is to drive smarter or block your opponents path (in SCUD Race all you have to do is drive the beastly McLaren to rocket into first ). Plus certain tracks in F355 have more narrow roads and ridiculously sharp turns that you simply can't improvise your way out of. Tracks in SCUD Race are wide open and turns are slightly more forgiving (even the hairpins).
). Plus certain tracks in F355 have more narrow roads and ridiculously sharp turns that you simply can't improvise your way out of. Tracks in SCUD Race are wide open and turns are slightly more forgiving (even the hairpins).Shinobi said:
Tell me about it. OutRunners is incredibly underrated and never got the acclaim it should have in the arcades. But in the face of Ridge Racer and Daytona USA I'm not too surprised. I believe OutRunners was the very last 2D arcade driving game ever made...no?
Shinobi said:
Indeed. The immersion you get whilst sitting in the deluxe cockpit is unrivaled. The gear shift and clutch were badass. The three monitor setup was great...though I was a bit distracted by the amount of space between them. I think the closer you can get 3 montiors to join together the more convincing it will be.
Shinobi said:
Rage Racer is definitely up there and can still hold its own when it cums to sense of speed. There was nothing like racing the oval track in those secret super cars...especially the Batmobile-ish looking one. And the 30fps believe it or not actually helped give the game even more sense of speed.
Saturnman said:
You know, it's funny you mention this. Although I have played a good amount of the game, I never really had the opportunity to invest the amount of time required to get good at it and place first in any of the tracks(hence the reason why I'd love an Xbox port
). But when I used to play it I would always be reminded of the comments I read in Next Generation Magazine's review of the game...something to the tune of "Super GT's handling is very realistic and required dedication. Powerslides cannot be fudged like they can in Daytona USA".Saturnmann is the first person I've seen make a comment acknowledging the deepness within Super GT's vehicle handling and after watching the vids at TeamMarukaru.com, you are so correct. Powersliding does indeed require a lot of finesse. It's a shame many people never saw past the game's stunning visuals. They invested a few quarters into the cabinet then wrote it off as some sort of Daytona wannabe clone or something. The game needs to brought home and done justice!
Shinobi said:
I usually despise videogame racing music, but having watched the TeamMarubaku.com vids so many times now, I cannot get the song from the beginner night stage outta my head.
At first I was fooled into thinking the woman singing was black. But after listening to it it's appearant she's Japanese. It's especially appearant with the background singer :lol
"You gotta get awa-hey-heeeey...Yoooouuuu know where you *reary* waaaaannaaa goooo!!!":lol
SuperGT is pure class!
For those of you that want to hear the STC soundtrack you can hear it some samples here:
http://www.sega.co.jp/stc/archive/audio.html
I have the full soundtrack on my HDD...Awesome music .
http://www.sega.co.jp/stc/archive/audio.html
I have the full soundtrack on my HDD...Awesome music
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