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On Campus, Only Some Free Speech Protected

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The publicly funded William Paterson University (search) in New Jersey reprimanded Jihad Daniel for discrimination and sexual harassment. The 63-year-old Daniel, who is both an employee and a student at the university, is now at the center of a free speech controversy.

He is also a fine example of the sleight-of-hand being called "due process" by universities that quash politically incorrect speech.

The facts are uncontested.

On March 7, Arlene Holpp Scala (search), chair of the Women's Studies Department, sent Daniel an unsolicited e-mail announcement of an upcoming film event: "'Ruthie and Connie: Every Room in the House,' a lesbian relationship story." Scala advised those who wished to respond, "Please do not hit reply, click here," thus directing messages to her university e-mail address.

On March 8, Daniel clicked to privately reply, "Do not send me any mail about 'Connie and Sally' and 'Adam and Steve.' These are perversions. The absence of God in higher education brings on confusion. That is why in these classes the Creator of the heavens and the earth is never mentioned." [His message is quoted in full. No other communication with Scala ensued.]

On March 10, Scala filed a complaint with the university claiming Daniel's message sounded "threatening."

"I don't want to feel threatened at my place of work," she explained.

On June 15, university President Arnold Speert (search) issued a letter of reprimand, to be placed in Daniel's permanent employment file.

The unsavory matter might have ended there, but the stakes were raised by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) and by Peter C. Harvey, the attorney general of New Jersey.

FIRE's mission is "to defend and sustain individual rights at America's increasingly repressive and partisan colleges and universities.

"These rights include freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience."

Greg Lukianoff of FIRE reminded Speert that his university, as a public institution, had a duty to protect the "constitutional rights of all its faculty, staff, and students … and that no federal, state, local, or university rule, policy, or regulation trumps the exercise" of those rights.

Lukianoff flatly stated, "No one here was 'harassed' or 'threatened' as defined by the law." Instead, the university "simply strongly disliked a student's point of view."

Interestingly, the first response to FIRE was not from Speert but from Attorney General Harvey, who replied "on behalf" of the university. Harvey said the penalty against Daniel would stand because, as an employee, he had violated New Jersey policies against discrimination, harassment and creating a hostile environment in the workplace.

Several aspects of the entire exchange are interesting.

First, the entire weight of the state's legal authority is being directed at quashing Daniel's personal response to an unsolicited e-mail — an e-mail that invited feedback by instructing recipients on how best to do so. The university obviously feels the need to draw a big gun on this little man.

Second, Lukianoff refers to Daniel as a student; both Speert and Harvey call him an employee. Daniel is legitimately both, but in the capacity of student he undoubtedly has more established procedural "rights" against the university. The attorney general's office clearly wishes to reduce the "rights" it needs to recognize.

But as Lukianoff states: "Even in a workplace, it is ridiculous to conclude that a one-time e-mail constitutes unlawful discrimination and harassment. It is especially ridiculous to apply such a policy to a working student at an institution of higher education that has a special responsibility to ensure academic freedom."

Here the concept of "due process" emerges in full. As with freedom of speech, the university's policies seem to reduce to the formula, "rights for me but not for thee."

For example, according to Speert's view of free speech, Scala has the right to send an unsolicited and unwanted promotion of a pro-lesbian film over the university's network. Daniel has no right to respond with his personal opinion and a request for no contact in the future.

According to Speert's view of due process, if Scala feels threatened by a moralistic dismissal of an issue she chose to raise, then the attorney general's office should flex its muscle to protect a frail woman so imperiled. Meanwhile, Daniel has no right to even examine the evidence brought against him. He merely has the right to appeal.

In his letter, Lukianoff stressed that "due process" was being disregarded in order to chill dissent. Both Speert and Harvey replied that "due process" was clearly in place and pointed to the administrative procedures to which Daniel could appeal.

Making someone jump through bureaucratic hoops that embody a biased procedure is not due process. A kangaroo court that includes the right of appeal to a higher kangaroo authority does not constitute due process. It is a travesty.

Due process does not reside in bureaucracy. It is a set of legal principles established through tradition to protect "the accused," who is innocent until proven guilty. Those principles include the right to face and question your accuser, the right to examine all evidence against you.

Daniel has been granted neither. And the most extraordinary aspect of this denial of free speech and due process is that the attorney general's office felt it necessary to so quickly and heavily weigh in on a small matter.

Or is it?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163705,00.html
 
Sending a email notice about a movie featuring lesbians to a guy named fucking Jihad. Gee, I wonder what went wrong there?
 
I haven't read anything, but let me guess...


some right-wing extremist is complaining about how speech that runs counter to the university's "diversity" is being squashed (guessing either anti-Islamic due to terrorism, anti-gay, or anti-affirmative action) and that university's aren't really allowing free and open dialogue on all topics.


Didn't we do this 4 or 5 years ago with Daniel Horowitz?
 
Jihad Daniel's response was only sent to Arlene Holpp Scala, right? If that's true, this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. There's nothing threatening about his statement, nor is one single piece of communication evidence of any form of harassment. The attorney general's claims are bullshit unless there's something significant missing from the story.
 
Well, if I had a nickel for every time this happened while I was in college, I'd have like... fifty cents. Which is a lot, if you think about it.
 
If the article is accurate, then yeah, it's stupid to say that it was threatening. Usually, though, when there are cases like this, the right wing account is less than accurate - like with that Declaration of Independence thing a few months back.
 
Father_Brain said:
Usually, though, when there are cases like this, the right wing account is less than accurate - like with that Declaration of Independence thing a few months back.
Okay, well, here's FIRE's case report -- complete with PDF copies of the emails, the disciplinary letters and responses and all relevant documents.
 
That's one of my biggest problems with the left generally. They are hypocritical, they are condescending and they attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

The campus I go to, like most university campuses is run by lefty nutjobs who at one time, put up a booth supporting North Korea. I so wanted to burn them alive.

But the OP makes a good point. Universities are no longer really places for free and open discussion of speech. It is dominated by one particular world view that is very hostile to any critcism, so much so that it is damaging to their cause, because it genuinely turns people off. At my university, most students who are underdecided centrists just simply don't care and ignore all the banners.

A very good example is my friend who went to unversity for a year before quitting it and getting a degree from a technical institute. One of the things he told me he absolutely hated was the atmosphere up on campus. And this guy isn't very politically active and from what I can tell of his politics, he's somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. He disliked how the campus student elites would barge into classrooms and waste student time to promote their left-wing causes.

One example he gave was when Bush invaded Iraq, some students decided to organize a rally against it. Which is fine by my friend. But he got ticked off when one of their organizers barged into his classroom and wasted classtime to recruit people for the rally, time my friend was paying for with his tuition via his shitty grocery job. Couldn't they organize outside of class perhaps? Was what he asked me rhetorically. And it's just one of many examples.
 
Deku said:
That's one of my biggest problems with the left generally. They are hypocritical, they are condescending and they attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Also they rely on sweeping overgeneralisations and ad hominem attacks.

No, wait...
 
Nerevar said:
I haven't read anything, but let me guess...


some right-wing extremist is complaining about how speech that runs counter to the university's "diversity" is being squashed (guessing either anti-Islamic due to terrorism, anti-gay, or anti-affirmative action) and that university's aren't really allowing free and open dialogue on all topics.


Didn't we do this 4 or 5 years ago with Daniel Horowitz?
Just read before commenting or don't comment at all
 
iapetus said:
Also they rely on sweeping overgeneralisations and ad hominem attacks.

No, wait...

Nah, that's the perception and in many cases undeniable reality in my campus and in many campuses that the student leadership and the professors are biased. I can already guess why you took issue with my comment.
 
Deku said:
Nah, that's the perception and in many cases undeniable reality in my campus and in many campuses that the student leadership and the professors are biased. I can already guess why you took issue with my comment.

If you guessed "because it was a ridiculous overgeneralisation forming part of an ad hominem argument to justify my preconceived political beliefs" then you win a cookie!
 
LegendofJoe said:
I feel like there is something missing in this story, something else must have happened between these two people.

Yes. There appears to be some fact(s) missing that will be disclosed in the discovery process.
 
iapetus said:
If you guessed "because it was a ridiculous overgeneralisation forming part of an ad hominem argument to justify my preconceived political beliefs" then you win a cookie!

What's ad homenim about pointing out the general tendencies of campus student councils and professors (mainly those teaching in the social sciences) to be condescending, blatantly biased, and insensitive to student needs outside of their own little bubble of political activism. It's not like I singled out a person and called him a bunch of names as you seem to like to do with me.

My friend's beef with these guys was their total lack of respect for people's paid time in class and they went around barging into lectures and class time recruiting people for their causes. Here's another thing, when people sign up for a class, they expect to be taught relevant material, not have class time turned into a political pulpit by their professors to rant on about politics.

You'd have to do better that throwing a bunch of accusations at me because you happen to disagree, or more likely, you happen to be one of those in the student body who actively participates in this sort of one sided biased leadership of the campus and or passively approves.

If you have nothing constructive to say or no rational defense and explanation for these sort of behavior, just butt out.

And here's my ad homenim attack against you for the day. You act like a condescending ass.
 
Deku said:
What's ad homenim about pointing out the general tendencies of campus student councils and professors (mainly those teaching in the social sciences) to be condescending, blatantly biased, and insensitive to student needs outside of their own little bubble of political activism. It's not like I singled out a person and called him a bunch of names as you seem to like to do with me.

Discussing the question of whether it's right to have reprimanded Jihad Daniel on this matter, you say:

That's one of my biggest problems with the left generally. They are hypocritical, they are condescending and they attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Valid arguments, zero. Personal attack, plenty. And we're not even beginning to take into account the irony inherent in the fact that you're attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you.

And you then go on to say:

Deku said:
You'd have to do better that throwing a bunch of accusations at me because you happen to disagree, or more likely, you happen to be one of those in the student body who actively participates in this sort of one sided biased leadership of the campus and or passively approves.

Not only ad hominem, but also wrong. You'd have to do a lot better than that.

Deku said:
And here's my ad homenim attack against you for the day. You act like a condescending ass.

No, it's just that I really am that superior to you. :P
 
iapetus said:
Discussing the question of whether it's right to have reprimanded Jihad Daniel on this matter, you say:

I was making a comment about the atmosphere on campus, not the case specifically. Can you read?

Valid arguments, zero. Personal attack, plenty. And we're not even beginning to take into account the irony inherent in the fact that you're attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you.

How can it be personal when I've not mentioned anyone by name in my original post? You appear to be misunderstanding.


And you then go on to say:


Not only ad hominem, but also wrong. You'd have to do a lot better than that.

No, it's just that I really am that superior to you. :P

Apparently, you're comprehension skills are not superior.

Here's what I think happened. You see my post criticizing the faults of the atmosphere on university campuses, you take offense, decided to fire off a post attacking my post and find yourself entangled in a discussion without understanding what I'm saying.

Really, you need to either comprehend what someone is saying, say something constructive and shoot me down with reasoned responses, or don't bother at all.
 
Deku Tree said:
Hate Speech is not free and it is not protected. Deal with it.

I might be wrong, but I think the Supreme Court tends to disagree with you on that point.
 
Deku said:
I was making a comment about the atmosphere on campus, not the case specifically. Can you read?

You're trying to make the case that "Universities are no longer really places for free and open discussion of speech. It is dominated by one particular world view that is very hostile to any critcism, so much so that it is damaging to their cause, because it genuinely turns people off." That's the point of the Jihad discussion, in case you missed it. As a preface to this you say: "They are hypocritical, they are condescending and they attack anyone who doesn't agree with them."

Am I the only one seeing an ad hominem abusive argument rearing its ugly head?

If you won't concede that, then at least you will admit the charge of sweeping overgeneralisation?

Deku said:
How can it be personal when I've not mentioned anyone by name in my original post? You appear to be misunderstanding.

Doesn't have to be personal to be ad hominem, as far as I'm concerned. You can make ad hominem arguments against an organisation or a political grouping. The etymology of the phrase doesn't mean there has to be an actual homo involved as the target, you know.

Deku said:
Here's what I think happened. You see my post criticizing the faults of the atmosphere on university campuses, you take offense, decided to fire off a post attacking my post and find yourself entangled in a discussion without understanding what I'm saying.

Here's what I think happened. You made an unsupportable set of negative generalisations about people based on their political leanings (which actually apply to a certain subset of people at all points on the political compass). You used this to colour your following statements. That's what annoyed me, and you find yourself entangled in a discussion without the ability to spell 'ad hominem'.
 
Deku Tree said:
Hate Speech is not free and it is not protected. Deal with it.
It's not? We'd have to shut-down most of the threads here on GAF then.

iapetus said:
Am I the only one seeing an ad hominem abusive argument rearing its ugly head?
Isn't the ad hominem fallacy about rejecting an argument based on the character of the person or group making the claim?
 
DavidDayton said:
I might be wrong, but I think the Supreme Court tends to disagree with you on that point.

It's kind of a moot point - if the reported mail is all that passed between them you'd have to be desperately stretching to describe it as 'hate speech'. If we'd had a nice rant about how homosexuals are dirty in the eyes of the Lord, will burn in hellfire come judgement day, and if there were any justice in this world they'd all be helped along the way then it might be worth looking at whether hate speech is protected (or to what point it is protected).
 
iapetus said:
You're trying to make the case that "Universities are no longer really places for free and open discussion of speech. It is dominated by one particular world view that is very hostile to any critcism, so much so that it is damaging to their cause, because it genuinely turns people off."

That is correct and it turns people off by the droves. I can assure you.



That's the point of the Jihad discussion, in case you missed it. As a preface to this you say: "They are hypocritical, they are condescending and they attack anyone who doesn't agree with them."

I'm aware of the content of the Jihad example, his case is only the latest example. I never mentioned him or his case in my text however. My comment is certainly relevant to the thread but my criticisms aren't directed at the campus or anyone specific, it was a general statement about the state of campus life, at least politically.

Am I the only one seeing an ad hominem abusive argument rearing its ugly head?

If you won't concede that, then at least you will admit the charge of sweeping overgeneralisation?

Is it rearing its ugly head or am I guilty of doing it? Which is it?
As for sweeping generalization, it's about as sweeping as saying most university campuses in the 60s was populated by hippies. I'm sure there will be case by case differences you can nit pick to death, but there's a basis for the generalization, because its true, and everyone of my friends at various public universities concur.



Here's what I think happened. You made an unsupportable set of negative generalisations about people based on their political leanings (which actually apply to a certain subset of people at all points on the political compass). You used this to colour your following statements. That's what annoyed me, and you find yourself entangled in a discussion without the ability to spell 'ad hominem'.

Well yes. it does apply to subsets of people to all points of the political compas. But the point being made is that university campuses are biased intellectually and the dominant ideology is on the left. Of course, there's pockets where it's not the case, mainly in the CompSci faculties and the Business faculties where the mood is either less political or maybe even right learning. But business or compsci faculties don't run student newspapers, or the student council or dictate 'university' position on world events.

As for the claim being unsupported, do you honestly believe what I say isn't true? that campus atmosphere isn't politically biased to the left and that most campus groups are of this political persuation? You'd have to do better than the knee jerk response of "oh that's too general" if you really wanted to tell me what I'm saying isn't true. I'm living it and it's telling me you're wrong.
 
Here's the problem with this free speech case, despite Daniel's protestations that he's a student, he's also a full time, apparently careered, employee, and thus workplace restrictions come into play. His employment status trumps his student status. If speech would create a hostile workplace, it doesn't matter what inspired it, or even if the victim requested comments.

On a practical level, Daniel's request to not receive similar announcements is pretty absurd given that Professor Scala didn't send the email directly to Daniel, but rather sent it to a distribution list which appears to be a general purpose announcement list. Surely Scala should be able to use the list as freely as other professors, so the only option would be to take Daniel off the list, which could result in him missing important announcements. On the whole though, this is a case of everybody over-reacting like a starving Pavlovian dog. Daniel could have not clicked the mailto link in the neutrally-worded announcement, and Scala could've waited for a stiff breeze before she played the "he's threatening me" card. Then, of course, Speert and Harvey could've actually gone through the official proceedures before repremanding Daniel, and FIRE could've acted as though this wasn't their rainmaker case.

So, for all you free speech advocates (of which I am proudly one), this isn't your test case.

Bonus Edit for Deku Tree: Hate speech is free and protected, but workplace speech is not. However, speech which incites is not protected, and speech during a crime which indicates the crime is hate-motivated can elevate the crime to "hate crime" status.
 
Deku said:
As for sweeping generalization, it's about as sweeping as saying most university campuses in the 60s was populated by hippies.

Either you're just plain wrong here or you're missing the point. You said:

"the left generally [...] are hypocritical, they are condescending and they attack anyone who doesn't agree with them."

Are you going to admit that this is a sweeping generalisation, and that it applies to the left in general no more than the right or the centre? Are you going to retract it?
 
"Workplace speech" is not protected insofar as state employees of New Jersey are required to not participate in conduct intended to harass or demean people based on their whatsit.

(Actually, I was impressed and quite tickled by how specific the state law gets on this; as per the letter of reprimand it covers "race, creed, religion, color, national origin/nationality, ancestry, age, sex/gender (including pregnancy), marital status, familial status, affectional or sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, domestic partnership status, atypical hereditary cellular or blood trait, genetic information, disability (including perceived disability, physical, mental, and/or intellectual disabilities), or liability for service in the Armed Forces of the United States."

This means I worked for the State of New Jersey (in the Department of Video Game Reviews or something, in 2059 when all game journalism is state-controlled) I could be reprimanded for saying "Hey, only losers have the atypical blood group galactosyltransferase, which causes an expression of A2 character in A1B red blood cells.")

Meanwhile, all the guy said was "gay relationships are perversions." He wasn't yelling this at a gay person out in the street or anything that would make a reasonable person consider this a "threat" or "harassment." It was an email.

The problem is this. It's not that the guy didn't act inappropriately, or that FIRE agrees with him about Adam, Steve, Connie, Sally, and what they do in their spare time. It's that if THIS is harassment, then EVERYTHING is harassment. If this goes unchallenged, then if I'm a student and I write, in a moment of exasperation, that something is "retarded," then anyone can file a disciplinary action against me saying they were threatened by my demeaning of their "perceived disability."

Luckily I'm not, so I can say pretty freely that this is retarded.
 
Kobun Heat said:
The problem is this. It's not that the guy didn't act inappropriately, or that FIRE agrees with him about Adam, Steve, Connie, Sally, and what they do in their spare time. It's that if THIS is harassment, then EVERYTHING is harassment. If this goes unchallenged, then if I'm a student and I write, in a moment of exasperation, that something is "retarded," then anyone can file a disciplinary action against me saying they were threatened by my demeaning of their "perceived disability."
As a student, you'd have a different set of protection than Daniel.

Furthermore, the school's administration only had to go as far a common dictionary to determine that "perversion" is demeaning. That's what this case turns on. Daniel is bound by workplace standards, workplace standards say you can't be "demeaning", the dictionary definition of "perversion" is "A practice or act, especially one that is sexual in nature, considered abnormal or deviant" which meets the definition of "demean" as "reduce in worth or character."

This is a pretty weak case that simply lets a lot of wrong-headed conservatives get their "I love free speech" card renewed for another year.
 
Kobun Heat said:
if I'm a student employee of the state and I write, in a moment of exasperation, that something is "retarded," then anyone can request a disciplinary action be filed against me saying they were threatened by my demeaning of their "perceived disability."
yep. try working a real job some time and telling a co worker that something likely related to them is retarded in an email. that should go over pretty well.

ps, you're fat, and stupid. we can only hope that you have a malignant congenital disorder of the blood or similar and are thus not wasting valuable undiseased human tissue.
 
You know, it's funny you brought up the Merriam-Webster dictionary definitions, which the university used to string this guy up. Because there's also a definition for "harassment," which, let's remember, is the key here. It's not against the law to say things that are demeaning; this would be unconstitutional. So to get around this, we have "harassment" codes, and "harassment" is defined in good ol' infallible M-W as:

1. To irritate or torment persistently.
3. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.

Notice the common thread there? "Repeated." "Persistent."

If Daniel was sending continued, unstoppable emails to this woman despite her protestations for him to stop, that would be harassment. This is one email. It doesn't meet the standards. If she'd said "stop" and he didn't, he'd be harassing her.

fart said:
ps, you're fat, and stupid. we can only hope that you have a malignant congenital disorder of the blood or similar and are thus not wasting valuable undiseased human tissue.
You forgot to insult my domestic partnership status :(
 
Kobun Heat said:
Because there's also a definition for "harassment," which, let's remember, is the key here. It's not against the law to say things that are demeaning; this would be unconstitutional. So to get around this, we have "harassment" codes, and "harassment" is defined in good ol' infallible M-W as:
I'm sure you've already read the Letter of Reprimand, but if I may, I would like to point out that "harassment" is only one part of an "either/or", not an "inclusive and." Sure, he didn't harass her, but he did create a hostile work environment, which, alone, is enough to earn the reprimand.
 
whether or not the disciplinary action was absolutely justified under the wording of their regulations is a technicality and pretty irrelevant if you ask me. the email was demeaning, threatening and highly inappropriate for the workplace. there are plenty of more productive ways to express an opinion such as the sender's that are protected and within the sender's rights.

there are couple of key lessons here:

1) not all speech is protected. there is a balance of rights in any scenario.

2) don't insult your co-workers.

3) DO insult the fat, stupid, homosexual, and ugly chris kohler. if possible, mention the undeniable fact that he is going to die alone, abused for years by young studs who only want him for his reputation as a sturdy and tenacious bottom.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
I would like to point out that "harassment" is only one part of an "either/or", not an "inclusive and."
Indeed, but it's an either/or with discrimination, not "a hostile work environment." And this guy could only be guilty of "discrimination" if, for example, he had some employees working under him and one of them was gay and he fired him or gave him a hard time because of his sexual orientation. He's not in any position to "discriminate" as understood by the law.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
fart, while I agree with you on most of your points, I just don't get how the email was threatening.
the knowledge that there is an irrational, emotional coworker who, viscerally, does not agree with your academics is probably threatening enough for a professor in women's studies.
 
fart said:
the knowledge that there is an irrational, emotional coworker who, viscerally, does not agree with your academics is probably threatening enough for a professor in women's studies.
That's certainly one way to describe him. "Concerned, devout co-worker" would be another. There was nothing that constituted a reasonable threat in the email, he simply stated his belief (which by no mean indicates that the email was appropriate). In both cases, it was one email. They both over-reacted, it's a big tough world out there, and a little dose of "let it slide" would do both sides a world of good.

Kobun Heat said:
Okay, there's the language. But I still find it ludicrous (and so do FIRE's legal experts) to say that one email -- in which the pivotal word was "perversions" -- constitutes a "hostile work environment."
One nude poster is enough. One "N"-bomb is enough. And yes, one "perversion" is enough. Once the facade of civility has been dropped, it's hard to pretend that the hostility isn't there.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
That's certainly one way to describe him. "Concerned, devout co-worker" would be another. There was nothing that constituted a reasonable threat in the email, he simply stated his belief (which by no mean indicates that the email was appropriate). In both cases, it was one email. They both over-reacted, it's a big tough world out there, and a little dose of "let it slide" would do both sides a world of good.
Religious people are anachronistic and close-minded and do not have the right to be offended by the unsolicited promotion of lifestyles which run contrary to their beliefs, unless those lifestyles are the direct manifestation of Western Capitalistic Hegemony.
 
Squirrel Killer said:
That's certainly one way to describe him. "Concerned, devout co-worker" would be another.
i really think this is a stretch. "due to personal reasons, I would prefer not to receive anymore emails re: upcoming events in the womens studies dept. thanks." is concerned and devout. "these are perversions" is closer to rabid.

it's possible she did not feel threatened by the content of the message. however, i would think this was definitely a factor.
 
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