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On Friday Timmy D and Kobe play for the 78th time, who has had the better career?
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ryutaro's mama
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Kobe Bryant, not Dez Bryant in this thread.
AdventureRacing
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Not saying this isn't true but it seems kinda funny considering who they play for. Kobe players for the fucking lakers of all teams, it's hard to complain about not playing for a successful organisation. Duncan on the other hand has won all 5 of the titles that SA has ever won. That seems impressive to me.
Having said that i don't follow the NBA a huge deal so that's more of an outsiders perspective.
You're not wrong. The Lakers have been run pretty good. I wouldn't even get on management for where we(Lakers) are now. We had a done deal get revoked late by Stern with CP3 and it soiled some egos like Odom. Then we went after a guy who didn't wanna be pushed and have the keys handed to him(Howard) without winning a thing and a guy who's body is broke(Nash).
As a casual observer of basketball, Duncan's gifts seem ripe for being overlooked because those gifts are considered boring. People tend to overemphasize the importance of offense, and particularly flashy offense, when considering value. I think this hurts Duncan and helps Kobe considerably on a subjective (not objective) level.
Forceatowulf
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It's just not a fair comparison really. Two completely different careers between them.
As individual players I'll take Kobe though. Duncan is lucky as fuck to have such a consistently competent organization behind him his whole career. Kobe ain't had that type of luck unfortunately.
Oh, and can someone remind me which player has bounced the other out of the playoffs the most in their careers. Kthx
As individual players I'll take Kobe though. Duncan is lucky as fuck to have such a consistently competent organization behind him his whole career. Kobe ain't had that type of luck unfortunately.
Oh, and can someone remind me which player has bounced the other out of the playoffs the most in their careers. Kthx
Shamrock7r
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But both of their situations are in part because of them, it could be argued
curlyfriski
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When did the Lakers become the Knicks? Recent management has been shaky, but the Jerry Buss Lakers were one of the best run teams in the league. Couple that with the benefits of being in L.A. and having the Lakers' history, and I'd say only the Spurs rival the Lakers for best team to play for during the years Duncan and Kobe have been in the league.
GOAT power forward as well.
andthebeatgoeson
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The best power forward ever. So Timmy.
Where did he say that the Spurs didn't have a good team? He said the Lakers had a better team, and that showed in the playoffs.
Glorified G
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Duncan winning the MVP over Jason Kidd in 2002 is by far one the most shameless and pathetic displays ever produced by the mainstream sports media.
That alone, Kobe > Duncan
That alone, Kobe > Duncan
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Duncan is the more valuable player
But Kobe had the better career $$$$
But Kobe had the better career $$$$
BatiGOOOOOOL
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Well, Malone stole Timmy's MVP in '99 if you wanna play this game.
I'm biased as hell, but Timmy's career is Top 5 All-Time easily.
Kobe always was the most proficient scorer of the two obviously, but Timmy has always impacted the game much more on every other aspect. Plus his leadership and being a great teammate put him a level above IMO.
Also, it's funny that people say Tim has been lucky because of the organization he is a part of, but then you hear everyone on the Spurs mention that all the great things they have accomplished and continue to do begins and ends with him.
Red Blaster
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put duncan next to shaq and he probably wins 8 titles in a row
invaderzim69
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Right now Timmy is the best. He can still play another season or two and could possibly win another championship.
Dion Blaster
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I would argue that at this point this is no longer an issue, at least among people who follow the nba somewhat regularly. Duncan and the rest of the Spurs being this good for so long and the exposure of advanced stats has forced people to realize his full greatness. Conversely, the last 3 years or so of Kobe's career have soured the rest of it to many.
After thinking about it some more I would give the nod to Duncan by a slightly longer hair than before. It just seems like guards can't have the same impact on games that dominant big men can, unless you're MJ.
Boombloxer
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The Spurs won in 99, transitioning my ass, that team was already Duncan's.
They next faced the Lakers in 01 & 02, where they won 1 game over both series.
They eliminated LA the following year, then lost again the next year.
More recently, they also lost in the WCF to the Lakers during the Lakers' most recent run at the top of the West, 08-10. In their best when both were contending, head to head is in Kobe's favor with and without Shaq.
So same amount of rings, and Kobe wins head to head. Thus, Kobe, who three-peated once and repeated once. And yes, that matters.
Big vs Guards. Bigs usually hang around for a while. Tim's no different in that regard.
Again, both have great careers, and you really can't go wrong either way between the best PF vs the 2nd best SG of all time. But Prime Kobe was completely unstoppable vs anyone, including Duncan, who was posterized a few times during the 01 series where Kobe dropped 45 on them.
That's the same effect great players have though. Shaq, MJ, etc.
Perfect example is Pau playing with Kobe.
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