One of the sickest smackdowns I have ever seen in an online comment section...

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Pein said:
I thought this one was pretty good.
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A new champion emerges.
 
OT isn't short on really sexist shit you can throw back at bigoted women. (OP is NT I guess since it's Paul.) But my point still stands.
 
Surface of Me said:
Yeah, and this verse is being taken out of context in this thread, which is really hilarious, considering the comments of "lol she doesn't know the bible".

http://christianfeminism.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/the-mistranslation-of-1-timothy-211-12/
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It's possible that that passage was simply a forgery. Not actually written by Paul or in line with how Paul ran the Church in his time (though he could be a hypocrite). Doesn't change how most of Christianity through history has used it though. Plus it found its way into the canon which should bring into question the validity and motivations of any and all of the bible's content and writers.

As to the question of the original post. Given the context I think it's an appropriate point to be made.
 
Surface of Me said:
Yeah, and this verse is being taken out of context in this thread, which is really hilarious, considering the comments of "lol she doesn't know the bible".

http://christianfeminism.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/the-mistranslation-of-1-timothy-211-12/
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http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/14-34.htm
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
1 Corinthians 14:34
and the next verse
1 Corinthians 14:35
If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
 
Surface of Me said:
Yeah, and this verse is being taken out of context in this thread, which is really hilarious, considering the comments of "lol she doesn't know the bible".

http://christianfeminism.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/the-mistranslation-of-1-timothy-211-12/
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Consider this reality of ancient Greek culture pointed out by Catherine Koeger:
“Virtually without exception, female teachers among the Greeks were courtesans, such as Aspasia, who numbered Socrates and Pericles among her students. Active in every major school of philosophy, these hetairai (high-class, intellectual prostitues) made it evident in the course of their lectures that they were available afterwards for a second occupation.”
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I honestly can't fathom people believing in religion. I don't think they are stupid or anything, if anything I feel like I'm completely missing something. Like, maybe it's normal to pick a fairy tale to believe in. Totally don't get it.
 
There are some that use the verse in Timothy and others to exclude women from ministry. And yet other denominations use other verses, many written by the same man (Paul), to include women. They say that the verse in Timothy is within the context of the culture of the people that received the letter. Women weren't allowed to speak in that culture, and the local church should not seek to offend. Others disagree.

Whatever your opinion, the documented words of the Bible do indicate that women did have historical relevance in the church. From the women Paul mentions in Philippians 4 to Romans 16, to those mentioned in Acts, to the prophet Anna in the temple in Luke near Jesus' birth, to as far back as the pre-kingdom days in the Old Testament when a woman (Deborah) served as a Judge for the people of Israel, women have historically served a role. Sometimes a lesser role, sometimes a greater one. And, yes, even today, some denominations exclude women from pastoral service, but not all of them.

Just a little, I don't know, different side of the Biblical coin.
 
I think if people are going to pluck scriptures out of the air without knowing the context then that's just as a bad as people who put faith without actually reading their Bibles.

In the case of 1 Timothy 2:12, the Apostle Paul was instructing Timothy in his local congregation about keeping those silent who were disrupting the congregation. In this particular case it was directed toward women who possibly were murmuring and causing trouble for those who were taking the lead. The books of Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Colossians are all letters from Paul to congregations in those lands with instruction on how to keep order and how to keep the brotherhood running smoothly.

For instance, the phrase "keep silent" is used 3 times in his letter to the Corinthians tho he never mentions women, but rather specifically mentioning people who are disrupting the teachings. His reasoning behind the correction: that “all things take place decently and by arrangement.”

Not only that, but it wasn't uncommon for there to be women prophesying or out in their ministry publicly. Heck, even in Acts chapter 2 it speaks of a group of men and women being blessed with tongues that could speak in different languages so they could preach to those from other parts of the world. Again, those were men AND WOMEN.

I have no issue with people hating on the Bible, but at least take the effort to research what you're refuting against.
 
Mother fuckers need some aloe vera up in here. Real or not, these are funny as hell. I want to live in a world where these are real.

I'd rather live in a world where they aren't necessary.
 
these are almost as good as the person who got a tattoo quoting leviticus about the abomination of man lying with man

first comment was a verse from leviticus about how tattoos are abominations in god's eyes
 
Two old ladies were arguing at work today and one said to the other, "Your mother never read to you at night, did she?"

I lost my shit. Old lady smackdown.
 
One word = Context.

I'm all for people believing what they want, and choice.

But if youre going to pull out one scripture, whether its to support one view or devalue that same verse, Use context of the surrounding verses, the actual meaning from Hebrew/greek, because theres multiple meanings for words that are not taken into consideration at all. That is the problem with all these new 'translations'. They translate everything wrong, thus what you see posted before. Ive seen these conversations for decades, its all the same, nothing new under the sun. If you get down to what was actually meant in the specified verse, (which takes a lot of studying and referencing definitions due to cultural context) it makes a lot more sense, and probably .05% of people know these actual meanings.


Its not that much of a burn, if a burn at all actually on those facebook examples. Lawl, facebook
 
iboh said:
One word = Context.

I'm all for people believing what they want, and choice.

But if youre going to pull out one scripture, whether its to support one view or devalue that same verse, Use context of the surrounding verses, the actual meaning from Hebrew/greek, because theres multiple meanings for words that are not taken into consideration at all. That is the problem with all these new 'translations'. They translate everything wrong, thus what you see posted before. Ive seen these conversations for decades, its all the same, nothing new under the sun. If you get down to what was actually meant in the specified verse, (which takes a lot of studying and referencing definitions due to cultural context) it makes a lot more sense, and probably .05% of people know these actual meanings.


Its not that much of a burn, if a burn at all actually on those facebook examples. Lawl, facebook
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Good thing god was so vigilant in making sure a whole .05% of his followers would properly understand his word, aimirite? It's not like thousands of people have died over these misunderstandings or anything.
 
iboh said:
One word = Context.

I'm all for people believing what they want, and choice.

But if youre going to pull out one scripture, whether its to support one view or devalue that same verse, Use context of the surrounding verses, the actual meaning from Hebrew/greek, because theres multiple meanings for words that are not taken into consideration at all. That is the problem with all these new 'translations'. They translate everything wrong, thus what you see posted before. Ive seen these conversations for decades, its all the same, nothing new under the sun. If you get down to what was actually meant in the specified verse, (which takes a lot of studying and referencing definitions due to cultural context) it makes a lot more sense, and probably .05% of people know these actual meanings.


Its not that much of a burn, if a burn at all actually on those facebook examples. Lawl, facebook
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This post is all over the place. So it's not that much of a burn, unless of course you happen to part of the 99.95% of the population that doesn't know the actual meaning of the bible text. Meanwhile the 0.05% of bible literate elite lawl at the commoners attempts to decipher something so far beyond the comprehension of their tiny, unlearned minds.
 
Fusebox said:
This post is all over the place. So it's not that much of a burn, unless of course you happen to part of the 99.95% of the population that doesn't know the actual meaning of the bible text. Meanwhile the 0.05% of bible literate elite lawl at the commoners attempts to decipher something so far beyond the comprehension of their tiny, unlearned minds.
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Martin Luther was the devil himself. We should've stuck with catholisism.
 
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