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[Ganzlinger]

Think back to Jaya and the first meeting with Black Beard. All that cryptic talk about "not he" but "they" from Luffy and Zoro, promptly confusing Nami, she wondered if anyone else was with him. It was one of the weirdest scenes that Oda has ever drawn attention to. Later we do find out from Marco that Teach's body is different, which he assumes could explain why Teach was able to consume 2 fruits without dying.

I don't know how, I don't know why, but I think there is a literal entity of some kind attached to Black Beard. What ever the hell it was at that meeting, Luffy and Zoro noticed this, but to them it was just another person hanging around Teach. Something like this would explain the casual nature in which Momo brought up Roger, he thought he really met the living breathing guy.

This probably sounds stupid but I think I just blew my own mind!

Yes, that talk about "not he" but "they" is something that still bothers me. I agree that must be something hidden there.

 

[Kave_Man]

I said those things about the Samurai covers and the kozuki symbol like weeks ago and nobody cared
Also said Zoro had the symbol on his kimono in Crossroads.

WITNESSED!!

 

[TheGreatDirector]

Greg from the One Piece podcast dropped some really interesting info about Momo and his "meeting" with Roger. With the voice all things or the seeing of all things, Greg presumes that Momo literally talked to some iteration of Roger. I've got to listen to the Podcast to be entirely sure. It's fascinating because a couple things...

The breath of all things, is undoubtedly related to the voice of all things. Remember Zoro unlocking such an ability when he was on the verge of death against Mr 1. We know for sure Luffy has the full on ability even if he is unaware.

Think back to Jaya and the first meeting with Black Beard. All that cryptic talk about "not he" but "they" from Luffy and Zoro, promptly confusing Nami, she wondered if anyone else was with him. It was one of the weirdest scenes that Oda has ever drawn attention to. Later we do find out from Marco that Teach's body is different, which he assumes could explain why Teach was able to consume 2 fruits without dying.

I don't know how, I don't know why, but I think there is a literal entity of some kind attached to Black Beard. What ever the hell it was at that meeting, Luffy and Zoro noticed this, but to them it was just another person hanging around Teach. Something like this would explain the casual nature in which Momo brought up Roger, he thought he really met the living breathing guy.

This probably sounds stupid but I think I just blew my own mind!

I bet you it's the literal Devil himself, the being behind all the Devil Fruits, that is around Blackbeard or within him. That's the real endgame villain right there.

 

[Tathanen]

I said that Momo probably talked to a post-death Roger via the voice of all things right when the chapter came out and nobody cared. ;_;

Oh to have a podcast.

 

[Aaronrules380]

I said that Momo probably talked to a post-death Roger via the voice of all things right when the chapter came out and nobody cared. ;_;

Oh to have a podcast.

Greg also has the advantage of speaking and reading japanese, and more importantly, he actually writes an official column on one piece secrets for shueisha now

 

[More Fun To Compute]

In Chinese mythology the Black Tortoise is one of the four cardinal mythical creatures in their astronomy. It is actually two creatures filling one role. A tortoise and a snake.

The other points of the compass are Blue Dragon, Red Bird and White Tiger.

The four compass directions pointing to key characters like this is set up by the marine admiral naming conventions. I think that the marine admirals may or man not deserve this status but Black Beard is the real deal and will be one of the main players in the end.

That theory implies that three other characters will be the great generals in the end game. If Luffy is the Blue Dragon that leaves two others. If they are all D characters then one might be Law.

 

[Aaronrules380]

In Chinese mythology the Black Tortoise is one of the four cardinal mythical creatures in their astronomy. It is actually two creatures filling one role. A tortoise and a snake.

The other points of the compass are Blue Dragon, Red Bird and White Tiger.

The four compass directions pointing to key characters like this is set up by the marine admiral naming conventions. I think that the marine admirals may or man not deserve this status but Black Beard is the real deal and will be one of the main players in the end.

That theory implies that three other characters will be the great generals in the end game. If Luffy is the Blue Dragon that leaves two others.

Where is this coming from?

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Where is this coming from?

It's a fairly well known myth and used often enough in Japanese media. Search for the four gods protecting kyoto. This is fairly mainstream stuff to speculate on for the region and genre.

 

[Aaronrules380]

It's a fairly well known myth and used often enough in Japanese media. Search for the four gods protecting kyoto.

I know the myth, I meant why are you even bringing it up? Seemed kind of random, though after reading again I guess I kind of see how you got there from the current conversation

 

[Ganzlinger]

In Chinese mythology the Black Tortoise is one of the four cardinal mythical creatures in their astronomy. It is actually two creatures filling one role. A tortoise and a snake.

The other points of the compass are Blue Dragon, Red Bird and White Tiger.

The four compass directions pointing to key characters like this is set up by the marine admiral naming conventions. I think that the marine admirals may or man not deserve this status but Black Beard is the real deal and will be one of the main players in the end.

That theory implies that three other characters will be the great generals in the end game. If Luffy is the Blue Dragon that leaves two others. If they are all D characters then one might be Law.

Why Luffy is the Blue Dragon though?

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Why Luffy is the Blue Dragon though?

We would have to see since you can only associate certain traits and links are not telegraphed as much as with Black Beard. The obvious character linked with this symbol is Dragon, Luffy's father.

 

[slightconfuse]

I think teachs devil,fruit powers that let him absorb others. He sucks things up why not DF powers.

He is a "D" tho so anything is possible.

 

[Aaronrules380]

I think teachs devil,fruit powers that let him absorb others. He sucks things up why not DF powers.

He is a "D" tho so anything is possible.

It's almost certainly a property of his body, given that Marco literally stated that it might be possible for Teach because of his "unique body", and the fact that BB's darkness fruit was a known quantity (BB even specifically targeted thatch because it was a DF he wanted, so he must have known it's powers in advance, presumably through the book of known DFs, and if he knew, so would others), so I find it unlikely that people wouldn't know that it's his fruit that allowed it and not him personally.

I personally lean towards the idea that Blackbeard has some sort of parasitic twin. Especially BB's emphasis on fate in certain scenes, I could see him saying how it easily could've been him who would've been consumed by the twin rather than vice versa, and stuff like that

 

[slightconfuse]

It's almost certainly a property of his body, given that Marco literally stated that it might be possible for Teach because of his "unique body", and the fact that BB's darkness fruit was a known quantity (BB even specifically targeted thatch because it was a DF he wanted, so he must have known it's powers in advance, presumably through the book of known DFs, and if he knew, so would others), so I find it unlikely that people wouldn't know that it's his fruit that allowed it and not him personally.

I personally lean towards the idea that Blackbeard has some sort of parasitic twin. Especially BB's emphasis on fate in certain scenes, I could see him saying how it easily could've been him who would've been consumed by the twin rather than vice versa, and stuff like that

True but I don't think the book woukd have anything on gear 4th.

Ots probably a little of,both

 

[Ray Down]

I think teachs devil,fruit powers that let him absorb others. He sucks things up why not DF powers.

He is a "D" tho so anything is possible.

Could be, Blackbeard specifically wanted the Yami Yami no Mi when he was on Whitebeards ship maybe he has some knowledge on its abilities before hand that made it unique to nearly every other logia fruit and not having the power to become intagible with his element.

Maybe it just the Viz trans or something but I rembeber but the way Blackbeard said that the darkness can suck in the "Devils Power" maybe he meant more then just nulify a devil fruit.

:kayneshrug

 

[Lunar15]

Side note: I completely forgot that Law was a D.

Related: I completely forgot about the "It's not he, it's them" conversation from Jaya.

 

[slightconfuse]

Side note: I completely forgot that Law was a D.

Related: I completely forgot about the "It's not he, it's them" conversation from Jaya.

Yea I need to start a re-read at some point

 

[Ray Down]

Side note: I completely forgot that Law was a D.

Related: I completely forgot about the "It's not he, it's them" conversation from Jaya.

Speaking of Law, do you guys think he and his crew will go off on there own after the Straw Hat Alliance and Fleet take down Kaidou or do you think hes somewhat a permanent stay?

 

[Ganzlinger]

Speaking of Law, do you guys think he and his crew will go off on there own after the Straw Hat Alliance and Fleet take down Kaidou or do you think hes somewhat a permanent stay?

I guess the Alliance will go until the end. I think Law will also want to make Luffy the Pirate King. After Kaidou, they might split depending on their new steps and fronts but I expect him to maintain contact and return to the end game.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Speaking of Law, do you guys think he and his crew will go off on there own after the Straw Hat Alliance and Fleet take down Kaidou or do you think hes somewhat a permanent stay?

They are going to split up right now aren't they?

I don't think we will have a time again where the straw hats are just going to sail away alone without any other people following them or planning to meet up again. At least not until the wars are over.

 

[Lufiaddict]

I think teachs devil,fruit powers that let him absorb others. He sucks things up why not DF powers.

He is a "D" tho so anything is possible.

I'm quite fond of the Mythical Zoan Cerberus Devil Fruit theory.

 

[NSESN]

Law is Luffy's Whitebeard

 

[GhostBed]

Blackbeard's Jolly Roger, along with Shank's mysterious scar, makes me think there's a lot more to it. He very well might be three people in one, idfk

 

[Rebel Leader]

Law is Luffy's Whitebeard

Law is not there yet.

 

[Squishy3]

Blackbeard's Jolly Roger, along with Shank's mysterious scar, makes me think there's a lot more to it. He very well might be three people in one, idfk

When Blackbeard was shown as part of Whitebeard's crew on Fishman Island he had a claw like Vega's from Street Fighter, which would explain Shanks' scar.

 

[Ray Down]

Law is Luffy's Whitebeard

Naw thats Kidd imo.

 

[Kornflayx]

When Blackbeard was shown as part of Whitebeard's crew on Fishman Island he had a claw like Vega's from Street Fighter, which would explain Shanks' scar.

Shanks even said that he wasn't careless while fighting Teach. So that should count for a lot.

The one guy I want to see a fight of is Roger. He wasn't a huge guy like Whitebeard and they still battled regularly. He must have been an absolute monster and I want to see him in action.

 

[Ganzlinger]

The one guy I want to see a fight of is Roger. He wasn't a huge guy like Whitebeard and they still battled regularly. He must have been an absolute monster and I want to see him in action.

And, as far as we know, he didn't have a Devil Fruit ability. Much respect.

 

[GhostBed]

When Blackbeard was shown as part of Whitebeard's crew on Fishman Island he had a claw like Vega's from Street Fighter, which would explain Shanks' scar.

Oh wow, totally forgot about that. Interested to see how well Teach can actually fight. Up until now, it seems like he's mostly relied on his devil fruit powers.

 

[Ganzlinger]

What do you guys think about Dragon's distant relationship with Luffy? I mean, he being absent could be explained by his role in the revolutionary army and could be also a way to protect Luffy. Dragon also saved him in Loguetown. But I never sensed that he cares much about Luffy or for what he is doing. Is he really that cold?

 

[Majukun]

What do you guys think about Dragon's distant relationship with Luffy? I mean, he being absent could be explained by his role in the revolutionary army and could be also a way to protect Luffy. Dragon also saved him in Loguetown. But I never sensed that he cares much about Luffy or for what he is doing. Is he really that cold?

probably ,yes

 

[GhostBed]

What do you guys think about Dragon's distant relationship with Luffy? I mean, he being absent could be explained by his role in the revolutionary army and could be also a way to protect Luffy. Dragon also saved him in Loguetown. But I never sensed that he cares much about Luffy or for what he is doing. Is he really that cold?

I think he is, yes. He's never expressed any sort of interest in Luffy. Also, if we're to assume that Luffy and Dragon are similar in personality, it would make sense that Dragon doesn't much care for him.

I mean, could you imagine if Luffy had a kid? His selfishness and reckless behavior would make for some abysmal parenting, same thing we see with Dragon.

 

[IHaveIce]

Blackbeard's Jolly Roger, along with Shank's mysterious scar, makes me think there's a lot more to it. He very well might be three people in one, idfk

Oh yeah I forgot about BB's JR

 

[Big One]

Greg from the One Piece podcast dropped some really interesting info about Momo and his "meeting" with Roger. With the voice all things or the seeing of all things, Greg presumes that Momo literally talked to some iteration of Roger. I've got to listen to the Podcast to be entirely sure. It's fascinating because a couple things...

The breath of all things, is undoubtedly related to the voice of all things. Remember Zoro unlocking such an ability when he was on the verge of death against Mr 1. We know for sure Luffy has the full on ability even if he is unaware.

Think back to Jaya and the first meeting with Black Beard. All that cryptic talk about "not he" but "they" from Luffy and Zoro, promptly confusing Nami, she wondered if anyone else was with him. It was one of the weirdest scenes that Oda has ever drawn attention to. Later we do find out from Marco that Teach's body is different, which he assumes could explain why Teach was able to consume 2 fruits without dying.

I don't know how, I don't know why, but I think there is a literal entity of some kind attached to Black Beard. What ever the hell it was at that meeting, Luffy and Zoro noticed this, but to them it was just another person hanging around Teach. Something like this would explain the casual nature in which Momo brought up Roger, he thought he really met the living breathing guy.

This probably sounds stupid but I think I just blew my own mind!

I think the "they" was foreshadowing the entire Blackbeard crew. Remember in the context of the Jaya arc, when we're introduced to Blackbeard we have no idea he's Blackbeard until all of the crew get together. We also see glimpses of the crew throughout the Jaya arc as well, but it isn't really revealed they're together till towards the end of Jaya.

Luffy and Zoro was able to sense that Blackbeard was no good and he had a crew with him. That's why they were worried about "they" rather than "him." Though Oda could change this up if he wanted to but that's how I've always interpreted it. Previously, the Blackbeard Pirates were mentioned as a group of pirates that ransacked Drum Island and chased out it's king. So basically the mere introduction of them showcased their significance as trouble-makers.

However I've always interpreted Jaya a bit differently. Blackbeard is literally introduced as being the complete opposite of Luffy despite having the same base goal (get One Piece, become Pirate King) with the bar scene. He's doing a lot of the same things Luffy is doing, with a similar carefree personality, but he's doing it the "wrong" way. Despite this he still believes in "dreams" just like Luffy does, but there's definitely a lack of goodness in Blackbeard that Luffy has.

 

[Kave_Man]

I wanna see Garp and Dragon's relationship as well.

Poor Garp his son and grandson are infamous "evil doers" in the eyes of the world.

 

[Ray Down]

What do you guys think about Dragon's distant relationship with Luffy? I mean, he being absent could be explained by his role in the revolutionary army and could be also a way to protect Luffy. Dragon also saved him in Loguetown. But I never sensed that he cares much about Luffy or for what he is doing. Is he really that cold?

Nah I think Dragon does care for his son otherwise why save him from Smoker, before the time-skip started he said Luffy was old enough to take care of himself now, it could also be some weird D thing.

I always had a theory that Kuma actions later on in the series with him removing Luffy pain and saving the Strawhats from Kizaru was apart of some order from Dragon to watch over his son. Kuma seemingly knew that Dragon was Luffy father before even his other generals, his army or even the rest of the world, and Kuma put himself in harms way by aiding them.

Iva remarks with Dragon always starring off to the east blue could show Dragon misses Luffy, considering him being born in the Goa Kingdom and loathing Nobles like Sabo.

We really need to see more of Dragon personality and how he interacts with Sabo.

 

[slightconfuse]

I wanna see Garp and Dragon's relationship as well.

Poor Garp his son and grandson are infamous "evil doers" in the eyes of the world.

I want to see Garp battle Roger

We need a movie about Roger

 

[Ganzlinger]

Thanks for the insight, guys. I wish to know more about Dragon's personality as well. I was expecting Robin to say something about him after the timeskip but she didn't bring the subject. :/

 

[Kave_Man]

Thanks for the insight, guys. I wish to know more about Dragon's personality as well. I was expecting Robin to say something about him after the timeskip but she didn't bring the subject. :/

Naah cause let's be honest Luffy wouldn't care to know anyways.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

Why Luffy is the Blue Dragon though?

Only thing I thought of.

 

[GhostBed]

Thanks for the insight, guys. I wish to know more about Dragon's personality as well. I was expecting Robin to say something about him after the timeskip but she didn't bring the subject. :/

I think she mostly doesn't speak on it because it doesn't come up. Luffy probably doesn't really give a shit what his dad is doing, lol. I'm sure Robin will be talking about her experience with the Revos a lot more after they clash with Black Beard.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Naah cause let's be honest Luffy wouldn't care to know anyways.

I think she mostly doesn't speak on it because it doesn't come up. Luffy probably doesn't really give a shit what his dad is doing, lol.

Come to think of it, Luffy probably did't even ask what the others did in the past 2 years. What a guy. lol

 

[B-Dubs]

Come to think of it, Luffy probably did't even ask what the others did in the past 2 years. What a guy. lol

He asked Zorro!

 

[Jarate]

I don't think Harps or Sengokus role is set in stone. I'd imagine that the marines are going to split up into the "good marines" (probably led by smoker) and the "bad marines." I mean we have clear marine characters who are "good" guys and clear marines who are evil.

I mean, Garps and Sengokus power are pretty unexplained. Although I think we'll have to wait for the arc that has Dragon and the Revolutionary army in it to see Garp and Sengoku in glory (probably a flashback arc)

My big wonder is if Oda will set up the final war arc as a multifaceted war, where its Blackbeard vs Luffy vs World Government vs XXXXX or if it'll purely be Blackbeard vs Luffy.

I also want to see how Shanks is doing. Maybe this'll be the arc that will show us what he's all about, but I think with the smaller crew going to save Sanji, I think well see a lot more pirate alliance members.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Come to think of it, Luffy probably did't even ask what the others did in the past 2 years. What a guy. lol

When pekoms said where sanji was he wasn't shocked. I assume they all talked about where they were

 

[slightconfuse]

I too want to see more shanks.

 

[Ganzlinger]

He asked Zorro!

Well, I still want to ask Zoro what happened to his eye.

When pekoms said where sanji was he wasn't shocked. I assume they all talked about where they were

To be fair, Sanji was desperate to tell the others the suffering he had to endure. lol

They probably all talked about it but if Luffy was the one interested to know, I'm not sure. lol

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Well, I still want to ask Zoro what happened to his eye.



To be fair, Sanji was desperate to tell the others the suffering he had to endure. lol

They probably all talked about it but if Luffy was the one interested to know, I'm not sure. lol

Lol you'd want to tell somebody too shoot.

Wanna know what happened to zoro's eye? I'll tell...................

Spoiler

.he was training

 

[More Fun To Compute]

I want Shanks to turn up to the tea party/wedding and be like, "I heard there was a party here, where is the food and booze."

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Shanks might be my favorite anime character. He's so likable, despite being one of the strongest men in the world.

I hope we learn a lot more about him and his crew, eventually. His scar from Blackbeard should be an epic flashback!

I also like how he's been subtly aging throughout the series.