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One Piece Manga |OT3| Anything You Can Gum I Can Gum Better
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Smh indeed
Sibersk Esto
Banned
It's an SBS request, not something to be taken seriously.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
"Children are capable, of course, of literary belief, when the story-maker's art is good enough to produce it. That state of mind has been called "willing suspension of disbelief." But this does not seem to me a good description of what happens. What really happens is that the story-maker proves a successful "sub-creator." He makes a Secondary World which your mind can enter. Inside it, what he relates is "true": it accords with the laws of that world. You therefore believe it, while you are, as it were, inside. The moment disbelief arises, the spell is broken; the magic, or rather art, has failed. You are then out in the Primary World again, looking at the little abortive Secondary World from outside. If you are obliged, by kindliness or circumstance, to stay, then disbelief must be suspended (or stifled), otherwise listening and looking would become intolerable. But this suspension of disbelief is a substitute for the genuine thing, a subterfuge we use when condescending to games or make-believe, or when trying ... to find what virtue we can in the work of an art that has for us failed." - J.R.R. Tolkien
Oda has written a story where we can easily believe characters can fly, or stretch like rubber or shoot sword slashes out as beams. But that doesn't mean everything fits 100% in his world. We're willing to suspend our belief about Pell surviving explosions, Nami having a waist that'll snap in a slight breeze and every female going through puberty till they're thirty. But even though we're willing to suspend disbelief to enjoy the story doesn't mean those instances don't stick out or deserve better explanations.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Bullshit. No one was suspending their belief over nuke-proof Pell.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
Lol isn't that the truth.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
I mean, everyone retroactively suspended their disbelief or otherwise "Band-Aids heal everything" and "
almost
Something people didn't suspend their disbelief over would be stuff like Kuina dying from falling down stairs or the idea of tiered devil fruits, both of which a core segment of fans don't believe. Meanwhile everyone accepts that Pell survived because of lol Band-Aids.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
One Piece's unwillingness to stick to consequences has always been a major flaw of the series pre-Ace's death. Pell exploding, Enel destroying thousands of people that later end up fine, people getting beaten to what should be crippling or near death and pulling through with some literal band-aids from Chopper or whoever - after a series like that runs for so long, all high stakes fly out the window. I think Luffy and co.'s defeat by Kuma, followed by Ace's death, came at the right time. I also like how the New World doesn't shy away from new things and consequences in comparison to early OP - the old formula of adventuring on themed islands is shaken up by an overarching throne war story and the separation of the crew (although that's a rather, should I say, divisive storytelling move among OP fans) and people actually seem to die (Monet - yes, I think she's dead - and Hody and co. becoming permanent old cripples).
I don't mind the separation just because it finally made me genuinely warm up to Brook. Not that I didn't like him, but I love how much of an MVP he's been this arc. Same for Nami. I mean, I guess it could still easily happen if everyone was around, but it does feel like it lends to making it easier for the weaker Straw Hats to get their chance to shine, as well as the newer characters that get introduced. (Though maybe that's a moot point, since One Piece always introduces a shit ton of new characters anyways)
I think Robin (and maybe Chopper kind of? I dunno, he put in work in PH, Zou, and WCI, so maybe not) is the last Straw Hat left that I would very much like to see have a notable, new W, it's been far too long. You'd think the Dressrosa separation would've helped out with that, and yet... not so much. So I guess it's up to Wano now when everyone's together.
Oda: "Well, I killed one person, didn't I?"
NHarmonic.
Member
Meanwhile everyone on punk hazard survived the mysterious-poisonous-petrifying smoke.
I don't know, Oda still refuses to kill even fodder marines or civillians, so it's difficult to see how is this new world so much deadlier than the GL.
Off topic but what y'all think? Worked real hard
man our crew has the best food and all. :3
The story is still meant to be mainly for kids. So i can see an author not wanting to depicture mass murder and mass graves ...
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Flashbacks don't count! They never did!
Dead and consequences in general were always a part of One Piece ... just never in the past of the story.
It's like you can say Kidd and Mama destroyed island but never show it
Hell I don't think Bart killed someone on screen
NHarmonic.
Member
I mean, it's difficult to think there's any kind of real danger when you know even the fodder marines and random #44 civilians have plot armor. I think the most extreme thing we've seen in the new world is Eustass Kidd crucifying people, the rest of the stuff is just like the grand line.
Edit: yeah we've seen horrible shit in the flashbacks, that's no news. In the actual times we have dudes surviving nukes, thunder blasts, asfixiating smoke, and we can't even discard a stab in the heart lol.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Come on GUYS, this is the most brain-dead argument that always pops up, "lol it's one piece, u should expect nothing." I know it's One Piece, I know biology is all BS. It's not about BIOLOGY, it's about consistency in a character's appearance as they grow up, and the SBS subverting what seemed pretty obvious in the manga itself. My post was simply saying that, in this case, I'm not sure this makes canonical sense. Plenty of SBS things are considered canon by fans, obviously tons of it is just jokes but from time to time he'll genuinely fill gaps in there. My argument is just that, in this case, let's not assume these sketches are of that sort.
The war will have deaths.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
The issue is definitely still there to some degree, but prior to Marineford, NOBODY ever died outside of flashbacks, or even suffered any real consequences. So it's a little better than it was.
Also Oda keeps making characters that I don't really want to die, namely the crew, so I don't really get upset when they don't, because there's other ways to raise the stakes. Ultimately he generally only wants it to be this major thing like with Ace, which is completely fine by me.
That said, seeing the occasional death like Vergo to Big Mom's children further helps it to not be too similar to FT.
That said, seeing the occasional death like Vergo to Big Mom's children further helps it to not be too similar to FT.
Who again
That four guys wasting their lives against crocodile kinda great and shows how much a dick he is by giving them a humiliating death and left them die knowing their wasted their lives and how brute force isn't going to work
Sibersk Esto
Banned
That doesn't seem like a military standard haircut.
That's because it's hiding his 3rd eye!! Pudding Pudding is Pudding's father! It just makes too much sense!
TheGreatDirector
Banned
I still believe Vergo and Monet are alive. They'll be back in the eventual Doflamingo cover story.
Yeah, they (at least monet) must be the next cover story.
Didn't Doflamingo confirm that Vergo died? Monet I can see why people think she's still alive, even though I'm more convinced she's not, but with Vergo I'm more certain he's dead and staying dead.
Thanks to the OP wiki, I found it in chapter 698
Kind of a weak confirmation of his death but it's still there
Not the hot chick though knowing Oda.
Eh, no point in really pointing that out this time when as far as I can recall, there's no precedent for him bringing back attractive women from the dead. Meanwhile Pell apparently didn't die, neither did Sabo or Bellamy, Bentham, etc., and even then, Monet tops them all by getting both stabbed and blown up.
If say, Kuina was revealed to be alive or something before Monet's death, maybe I'd agree lol
I mean, probably, just felt like a random thing for you to bring up tho lol
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Probably not, but like Lotus said there's been no precedent and Monet hasn't been confirmed to be alive. No sense in making the argument.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Doflamingo wouldn't know any more than Smoker, really. Although that's not to say I really think they're alive; it could still go either way.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Meh don't care for pointless deaths just so ppl can keep a kill count killing off money was pointless I liked her fruit and now it's wasted unless someone finds it
Carrot is the traitor, but why she would be in the ship in first place? The answer is obvious, The snow fruit spawned in Sunny and she went there to steal it.
Maybe Kuina was brought back to life with some sort of ninja magic which brought back her body but nothing else other than a vague memory that she likes swords. Her father, unable to bear having a living reminder of the daughter he lost living around her, taunting him by being alive but not being his daughter anymore, sent her away, where she became a sword otaku and eventually joined the marines.
Ninja magic being key because this can then be revealed at Wano.
Ninja magic being key because this can then be revealed at Wano.
Too bad she lost her sword skills as well
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