NHarmonic.
Member
We need some retribution for Pedro. I'll be perfectly fine if Carrot is in charge.
And i liked Brook going against Jimbe.
And i liked Brook going against Jimbe.
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In charge of what
DriftingSpirit
Member
That would be funny for sure. It would be a nightmare for Luffy though.
Yeah, I'll at least give her that. She need to chill though lol. Maybe if she didn't do it so often.
It feels kind of aimless right now.
Majukun
Member
personally i din't really liked it that much..too many plotholes and missing chances to do soemthing interesting...on a scale where fishman island is a 5 and alabasta is a 10..this arc will probably be a 6.5 or something for me
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Yup enjoying the hell outta whole cake. Gimme a good close and it's in my top 5 easily
Maybe I've just become extremely jaded in the past year (likely), but this arc has killed my interest in One Piece almost entirely. It's actually super depressing, One Piece used to be my favorite thing ever, I was a super-fan.
Dougieflesh
Member
I feel like this arc is ok. I think that the Kaidou arc is gonna be way more interesting though.
When Sanji more chill than you, that's how you know you fucked up lmao
Same, my favorite New World arc so far.
They literally laid out their goals a few chapters ago. While last week set up Luffy dealing with Katakuri, the scariest threat after Big Mom.
What plotholes
I'm literally the opposite. Well, I never stopped being a big fan, but this is the first arc that has gotten me genuinely interested in other people's impressions and thoughts, as well as reviews, podcasts, etc. The wait for a new chapter is hard, so I need a way to keep myself occupied lol
The arc that's going to bring down a Yonko and have the Straw Hats all together again is going to be more interesting? Not to mention finally give Zoro a challenge?
Ya don't say...
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Lmao when you say it like that it's pretty damn bad
Y'all gonna over hype wano like people did whole cake, at least in this case it'll be somewhat justified since it's actually supposed to be a take down this person arc
Lol, it's just, all my Pudding love is currently with Carrot right now these last few chapters.
Didn't expect the current arc to be so divisive. I felt a similar sort apathy towards the Fishman Island, Dressrosa and even Punk Hazard arcs, but this current arc feels reminiscent of the first half of One Piece. Like I'm actually invested in the characters again (Sanji is good again), fights and confrontations are exciting, we've got another death, etc.
It's definitely better than Dressrosa at the very least, which was stretched out mini-war between 10000000 people. God, Dressrosa really burned me out haha.
It's definitely better than Dressrosa at the very least, which was stretched out mini-war between 10000000 people. God, Dressrosa really burned me out haha.
I feel like the epitome of the divisiveness is the whole cake thing, however that plays out, including Big Mom's response after becoming sane again, may very well make or break the arc.
It'd still be better than Dressrosa though, which I liked, but yea.
This arc is better and I really don't get some complements.
That't pretty much what she's going to get, get some blow with him this arc.
It is just that Zou was better imo. I just love smaller arcs because they have so much info anf never get stale.
NHarmonic.
Member
Kicking ass, of course.
Agreed.
I don't know what people saw in Zou but hey, to each their own i guess. For me it was so forgettable.
And WCI has been good but i'm not that sold either. I feel something is missing. And it doesn't help that the Pudding situation did sour me a lot on it, and the germa 66 stuff was kind of underwhelming.
Weird, for me dressrosa was a constant influx of excitement and cool stuff. The tournament stuff, the mera mera, Sabo revelation, Kyros story (was really cool), Sugar and God Usopp, fun secondary cast (Cavendish, Barto, most of them so memorable), awakening, Gear 4th, law kicking ass, Fujitora sending meteorites, Doflamingo being a boss, Sanji asking for permission to leave with the sunny, the formation of the fleet, Pica's voice, etc.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Meh. Not necessarily here but it's my understanding people wanted fights, and balls to the wall action when this arc was never gonna be that. In fact I would've been fine if luffy wasn't fighting katakuri right now only reason I'm interested is because it seems it'll be a setup for luffy to grow here because otherwise him winning here still isn't a win they have multiple enemies left
Dougieflesh
Member
That arc felt like it went abut 7 months too long.
RomanceDawn
Member
Jimbe giving speeches to keep Straw Hats in line and keeping an eye on the ocean current while manning the helm. Can I get a yabadabdoo?!
YABADABADOO!!!!
Now then, while I'm not particularly sad about Pedro dying(I still don't believe it lol), I am touched by how hard Nami and the rest are taking it. It's so easy for us as hardcore One Piece readers to over look deaths in this series but I still like to take into account the characters perspective on things. I don't truly believe in character deaths but I do believe the characters feelings.
Carrot hopped up in the crows nest and is looking out. I'm sure some folks are going to run wild with that one.
YABADABADOO!!!!
Now then, while I'm not particularly sad about Pedro dying(I still don't believe it lol), I am touched by how hard Nami and the rest are taking it. It's so easy for us as hardcore One Piece readers to over look deaths in this series but I still like to take into account the characters perspective on things. I don't truly believe in character deaths but I do believe the characters feelings.
Carrot hopped up in the crows nest and is looking out. I'm sure some folks are going to run wild with that one.
Majukun
Member
1) big mom willingly letting the strawhats arrive to whole cake island despite not having any advantage in doing so..she is in her own kingdom, she can attack them when they are miles away from sanji and never risking losing the most important chess piece in the enitre plan. Instead she goes as far as giving them a map through pudding..a map that they are using right now to escape....and remember she has a fleet at her disposal at alla times...so even if you decide that you don't wanna fight the strawhats on ground,you only need to give them the map and then meet them at see with your "angry fleet".
2) talking about the plan,it doesn't make any goddamn sense...why would big mom need to organize this big party exactly? Once germa arrived at the port of WCI they were basically in trap..they don't need a surprise attack..just imprison the vinsmokes the moment they put a feet out of their kingdom. Also,on a minor note..why a glutton like big mom would wait so much to eat a wedding cake that was never gonna be actually used as a wedding cake in the first place ,since the marriage was gonna end in blood before the bride or the broom say yes?
3) why would pudding keep the charade when she is trying the wedding dress with tamago? she never meant to actually get to the forest since it was all a ruse, so why would she try to get away from tamago, saying that she had to go somewhere else?
Neither her or Tamago knew that pedro and brook were watching,so she had no reason to try to go to an appointment she never intended to go to.
those are the first 3 that come to mind..but in the past i think that i pointed out other aspects that were really not that convincing..but this 3 still don't make any sense.
p.s. oh and pudding falling for sani for a single shallow compliment is really,really bad writing..Oda did it so much better back in the day with hancock.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I both count and don't count Zou lol
I loved its brevity and revelations, but at the same time, I tend to compare the longer arcs to one another.
Ah, of course.
The brevity, Jack being dealt with by another elephant, the Raizo is safe reveal was one of the best chapters ever,
Carrot introduction
*looks back 7 months
So... They should've just left Sanji's family to die then and just left?
Too late sadly.
Unless the crew shows a real need for it or if some is doing a bad job, someone fulfilling a role doesn't mean much in joining.
It's all about how Oda sets you up and the connection with Luffy.
Unless Luffy just wants you, lol.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Don't do this today ray!
I rather mention this now and be done with it if someone brings this bad angle up
Just with the Pedro bit.
also he singer for opening 20, looks like it will be her last OP song.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Who's ready for the Carrot vs Perospero fight?
RIP Luffy
RIP Luffy
For the second one, Big Mom wanted an excuse to throw a big party, that one's pretty easily explainable. Also the party was a good pretext to guarantee the Vinsmokes would be unarmed and have no one protecting them.
For Pudding and Tamago, maybe he (and all the people around them) don't know her true nature? She did say only members of the family know what she's really like, and Tamago is just a fighter in Big Mom's pirate crew.
Well she needs a moment to shine for once, "avenging" Pedro will do it.
Brock Reiher
Banned
Would be weird if after all this time they suddenly add two crew members at once. Although they both fit in pretty well, with Carrot as a scout and Jinbe as moral support.
Just add in Gangster Gastino in a later arc and you're good to go.
I've been super annoyed with Pudding since she started doing her hyper tsundere bit.
Just add in Gangster Gastino in a later arc and you're good to go.
I've been super annoyed with Pudding since she started doing her hyper tsundere bit.
Jinebi is only joining this arc.
Though I imagine CC has to appear sometime soon to see where he wiil be whisked away too.
Dougieflesh
Member
Talking about Dressrosa. That coulda been condensed some.
NHarmonic.
Member
I'd say Oda should just go and add Jimbe, Carrot and Pud D. Ing and then we can put an end to the discussion. Easy.
Gangster Gastino is irredeamable at this point though, Pudding is on Robin's pre-joining level.
Brock Reiher
Banned
Yeah, it would be too weird for two to join at once. Carrot may stick around for Wano if they go directly there after WCI but right now I think she'll fall back to prepare the Zou troops or whatever.
Would be funny if he stuck around but was never actually an official crew member because everyone hates him.
Zou gave me a lot hope after Dressrosa lasted far too long. This arc squandered all of that.
I just feel like a lot of Oda's major flaws are in the spotlight in this arc. Too many characters without much development, increasingly predictable gender roles, messy and aimless plot structure with a lot of chapters and events lacking impact. It just feels bloated. It simultaneously feels rushed while also lasting far too long. These are all problems that have existed since the start of One Piece, but it feels like all of them are amplified in this arc. When I think back on the events of this arc so far, everything just feels like a jumbled rush.
That said, I also realize my tastes are changing as I get older. I'm trying to move away from spoiling people's enjoyment of something that I no longer love.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Majukun
Member
big mom throws parties every time she wants,she doesn't need an excuse..also,this wedding cake seemed to have a particular importance for her..i don't see how she didn't just eat the whole thing knowing that she had no duty not to do so since the entire party was an excuse.
also, the vinsmokes were already unarmed during their entire time inside the castle..no real need to attack them during the cerimony.... you can attack them the moment they make a step outside of germa..we saw how good are the sweet commanders,it would have been an easy win.
as per pudding,it doesn't matter if tamago knows or not her true nature,she can continue the charade, but she had no need to try and go away if she never meant to reach the forest in the first place,that has nothing to do with her being good or bad..she could have continued to be the meek pudding but still just try her dress and that's all...insetad she tried to go away because she said she "had to be somewhere"..but in reality she had nowhere to go really..the scene was only there to trick the readers in thinking she was a good ally of the strawhats..problem is,she had no reason to act in that moment.
1) Big Mom is childish, compulsive, hedonistic and arrogant. She didn't see the Straw Hats as a threat (arguably justified, because she straight up managed to capture Luffy). She's also extremely sadistic going by her "roulette", and wanted to Strawh Hat Pirates to suffer fro defying her instead of immediately dying.
2) Because she wanted to. Remember, she's a sadistic bastard. Seeing Vinsmoke at the height of success, only for them to lose that at the last minute must been priceless for her. It clearly worked too, because Vinsmoke cried like a baby when he found out he was betrayed. And she can slaughter a family and still eat cake...
3) She has a complex about her appearance and tries to keep her good girl act in front of everyone, not just Straw Hats.
None of these aren't really plot holes. At best, they're minor oversights which I disagree with (your post reads like "why didn't these characters do I want them to do")
Both are bad, but pudding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hancock. Pudding falls for Sanji because he still finds her beautiful despite her having a freaky 3rd eye. It's a very simplistic "I love you because you love me for who I am type set up." Hancock's love for Luffy is completely one-sided and rote. It's absolutely not better than Sanji's relationship with Pudding.
YABADABADOO!!!
Why, I would never... ;D
Didn't she only know they arrived once they actually landed on their territory? Anyways, it's not like the Straw Hats are the first to do this. Urouge has done it before, so have the Nox Pirates.
It has been established that Big Mom enjoys her parties and gatherings. Intertwining it with her want for Germa's technology allows her to have both, and with less of a fight at that. You say "just imprison" them, but just because they're stronger than them, doesn't mean they can't go about in a much more clever, less messier way.
As for the cake, I'm guessing she was going to eat pretty much after they had died. Why would she eat it beforehand, that'd only tip them off...
Her cravings only kicked in after Luffy and co. stalled for a good while too, so assuming the plan went well, she would've had more than enough time to wait. Additionally, if she had eaten the cake sooner, then she'd be sane throughout these last couple of chapters, and the Straw Hats would be utterly screwed.
It has been established that Pudding only drops the charade around her actual family members. Tamago is not related to her, and she definitely won't drop it in front of regular citizens.
As for where she needed to go, I'm not following how exactly that is a plot hole? She never explicitly said where exactly it is that she wanted to go. She has free reign in this entire kingdom to go virtually wherever, ya know...
Not a plothole, but definitely a fair criticism. All pretty much comes down to how insane you view Pudding to be, which judging off of previous chapters, as well as this one... she seems pretty crazy. Which in hindsight makes it a little better for me tbh
Brock Reiher
Banned
This is the only way it can end, right? The theme of the whole arc is food and canabalism.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I'm reading criticism for plot developments not plot holes here..
That's so dark lol and luffy can't he has a fruit he'll explode
Gear 4: Gomu Gomu no Crocodile Chomp
How much of the person do you need to eat before you get to the fruit
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