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[CobraXT]

Breaking news update:

And now jeff is stating he is prodding asking for dev feedback



Move along, nothing to see here, journalists speculating and looking for stories.

He knows NOTHING.

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On the most recent episode of the Basement Radio Arcade Podcast , noted insider Jeff Grubb hinted that devs are having trouble with the PS5's variable frequency approach, and warned that gamers may be "disappointed" by some major third-party titles.

The technology that Sony's using for the PS5 is AMD SmartShift and...a lot of people are just assuming the PS5 is going to be right there with the Xbox Series X, and it may be, I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think. What it does is it moves power between the CPU and the GPU and developers really haven't had to worry about that, especially on consoles, in the past.

This could, at launch at least, prove troublesome, to the point where you could start getting stories from Digital Foundry or whatever saying "Y'know, the PS5 version is actually kind of wack." That will get cleared up over time, developers will figure it out, Sony will figure it out and explain to developers "here's what to do," but my understanding is they're not doing that yet and that's the issue. So, you go into launch, and people [could be] disappointed, with, like, Madden, NBA 2K, Call of Duty. That could leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

Source

 

[phil_t98]

This

On the most recent episode of the Basement Radio Arcade Podcast , noted insider Jeff Grubb hinted that devs are having trouble with the PS5's variable frequency approach, and warned that gamers may be "disappointed" by some major third-party titles.

The technology that Sony's using for the PS5 is AMD SmartShift and...a lot of people are just assuming the PS5 is going to be right there with the Xbox Series X, and it may be, I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think. What it does is it moves power between the CPU and the GPU and developers really haven't had to worry about that, especially on consoles, in the past.

This could, at launch at least, prove troublesome, to the point where you could start getting stories from Digital Foundry or whatever saying "Y'know, the PS5 version is actually kind of wack." That will get cleared up over time, developers will figure it out, Sony will figure it out and explain to developers "here's what to do," but my understanding is they're not doing that yet and that's the issue. So, you go into launch, and people [could be] disappointed, with, like, Madden, NBA 2K, Call of Duty. That could leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

Source

will get a lot of people dismissning it but developers will have to get used to variable cpu Gpu , i will point out they will get used to developing for the ps5 and as always games will get better and utilise the strengths of ps5

 

[TommyCronin6969]

These are the same types of people who urge people not to console war. Native 4K in games is pointless so who cares.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Reportedly, some devs might not know how to best develop for a next-gen system.

Even Kotaku would be like "well... yeah.... duh".

 

[skneogaf]

Digital foundry are in for some abuse if true

 

[hyperbertha]

+100 Xbox credits received. Unlocked hot tub bath with Phil Spencer.

 

[HarryKS]

Halo Infinite was actually running on PS5. Explains it all.

 

[MrS]

On the most recent episode of the Basement Radio Arcade Podcast , noted insider Jeff Grubb hinted that devs are having trouble with the PS5's variable frequency approach, and warned that gamers may be "disappointed" by some major third-party titles.

The technology that Sony's using for the PS5 is AMD SmartShift and...a lot of people are just assuming the PS5 is going to be right there with the Xbox Series X, and it may be, I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think. What it does is it moves power between the CPU and the GPU and developers really haven't had to worry about that, especially on consoles, in the past.

This could, at launch at least, prove troublesome, to the point where you could start getting stories from Digital Foundry or whatever saying "Y'know, the PS5 version is actually kind of wack." That will get cleared up over time, developers will figure it out, Sony will figure it out and explain to developers "here's what to do," but my understanding is they're not doing that yet and that's the issue. So, you go into launch, and people [could be] disappointed, with, like, Madden, NBA 2K, Call of Duty. That could leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

Source

Lotta "coulds" in there. Jeff clearly knows fuck all and is talking out of his arse again. The guy is nothing more than an attention seeker at this point.

 

[ne1butu]

I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but

This says it all

 

[FunkMiller]

Do we know what the time frame difference was between First party getting dev kits and third party?

 

[GenericUser]

I like all this nonsense. Gimme trash talk all day, every day.

Edit: still buying the ps5, lmao

 

[NickFire]

Brace yourselves everyone. There's a lot of bad press that needs countering.

 

[phil_t98]

Halo Infinite was actually running on PS5. Explains it all.

Nah cos it Was 4K and 60fps lol

 

[Abriael_GN]

On the most recent episode of the Basement Radio Arcade Podcast , noted insider Jeff Grubb hinted that devs are having trouble with the PS5's variable frequency approach, and warned that gamers may be "disappointed" by some major third-party titles.

The technology that Sony's using for the PS5 is AMD SmartShift and...a lot of people are just assuming the PS5 is going to be right there with the Xbox Series X, and it may be, I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think. What it does is it moves power between the CPU and the GPU and developers really haven't had to worry about that, especially on consoles, in the past.

This could, at launch at least, prove troublesome, to the point where you could start getting stories from Digital Foundry or whatever saying "Y'know, the PS5 version is actually kind of wack." That will get cleared up over time, developers will figure it out, Sony will figure it out and explain to developers "here's what to do," but my understanding is they're not doing that yet and that's the issue. So, you go into launch, and people [could be] disappointed, with, like, Madden, NBA 2K, Call of Duty. That could leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

Source

I knew what site wrote this stuff before I even read it.

I guess when someone isn't very good at actual news, they have to resort to rumormongering, random hot takes, and second-hand hearsay to grab some hits.

What surprises me is that people keep posting this crap like it was worth reading or discussing.

 

[JLMC469]

Don't worry fanboys. SONY has reached out to those companies and secured console exclusive timed DLC.

 

[GHG]

The title doesn't correlate with what's said here:

I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think.

 

[quest]

But but variable clocks won't be an issue to developers lol. Just like the esram won't be an issue for the xbox one lol. Unpredictable performance is never good. There is a reason Sony won't talk about it and the media helped them sweep it under the rug.

 

[BigLee74]

Halo Infinite was actually running on PS5. Explains it all.

Obviously not, the demo shown was 4k...

 

[Chairman]

On the most recent episode of the Basement Radio Arcade Podcast , noted insider Jeff Grubb hinted that devs are having trouble with the PS5's variable frequency approach, and warned that gamers may be "disappointed" by some major third-party titles.

The technology that Sony's using for the PS5 is AMD SmartShift and...a lot of people are just assuming the PS5 is going to be right there with the Xbox Series X, and it may be, I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think. What it does is it moves power between the CPU and the GPU and developers really haven't had to worry about that, especially on consoles, in the past.

This could, at launch at least, prove troublesome, to the point where you could start getting stories from Digital Foundry or whatever saying "Y'know, the PS5 version is actually kind of wack." That will get cleared up over time, developers will figure it out, Sony will figure it out and explain to developers "here's what to do," but my understanding is they're not doing that yet and that's the issue. So, you go into launch, and people [could be] disappointed, with, like, Madden, NBA 2K, Call of Duty. That could leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

Source

The key words hey mentioned "I'm not a developer". Also why do people to think can't run at high frequency?

 

[iamvin22]

So it's his own opinion and not any word from a dev and he isn't a dev himself but he feels it will be a problem?

 

[Krisprolls]

They don't know what they're talking about. It's always DuskGolem and Jeff Grubb, how many threads are we allowed to open about those two ?

Jeff Grubb doesn't understand what he says, no Sony variable frequencies is not AMD smartshift unlike what he says, it's not the same thing, AMD smartshift is about giving unused power from CPU to GPU, only in that direction. Sony PS5 model is about being sure max available power is used both on CPU and GPU based on workload (not based on temperature, and it's deterministic).

How many FUD threads are allowed for the same DuskGolem tweets ?

 

[LordCBH]

I mean I remember the early days of the PS3 where no one knew how to work with it and some horrendous ports were released. This won't be anywhere near that.

 

[Demon2blades]

While I was reading the op I was thinking this gonna be at least cyberpunk it was struggling with or summat but no it's God damn sports games lol probably the easiest games to run on anything ... Yeah can't really believe it's that big of an issue really .

 

[VALCON 82]

Don't worry fanboys. SONY has reached out to those companies and secured console exclusive timed DLC.

cool

 

[Derktron]

These are the same types of people who urge people not to console war. Native 4K in games is pointless so who cares.

Especially when it doesn't even hit 60fps. I think native 4K is not necessary when games can't even hit 60fps. Maybe they can do sub-4K.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

This says it all

Look he could be bullshitting or he might not, but I don't get the weird selectivism in believing insiders in some instances and disregarding them in the next, oftentimes being the same insiders in both cases xD.

We don't know fully how the variable frequency works but if it's similar to what I think is the case, it could have a bit of complications.

It'd be nice if he could specify what devs are supposedly telling him this, though. He name-drops 2K games, EA games etc. so can we assume it's devs from these studios? That'd be notable if true. That said, I don't think all devs will have this kind of issue; PS2 was much harder to develop for but devs by and large got used to it (the install base and dev tools certainly helped).

Even systems like the Saturn, there were devs like Treasure and Labotomy who had zero issues developing on that platform, even when companies like EA struggled. So there's historical precedent for these kind of things. By and large if there's any issues currently with PS5 causing dev issues, they should hopefully get resolved within the first year or so.

 

[iamvin22]

The title doesn't correlate with what's said here:

I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think.

That's what I don't get. How is this even a story? He clearly states he isn't a dev and doesn't know or hasn't heard from a dev but He thinks(meaning his own opinion) it may be a problem.

 

[Three]

"report me if I continue to console war"

Says it all.

 

[Krisprolls]

We already had first look of PS5 gameplay by the way, and neither Ratchet, Miles Morales or HZD 2 looked like struggling at all... Just saying. Ratchet gameplay was definitely impossible on current gen. Short gameplay sequences we saw from Morales and HZD 2 looked gorgeous.

If any platform is struggling right now, it looks more likely it's XSX : every game in latest show ran on PC or was CGI, and Halo Infinite looked like a PS3 game and had to be delayed. Nothing ran on XSX.

But strangely enough it doesn't seem to worry DuskGolem.

 

[VALCON 82]

While I was reading the op I was thinking this gonna be at least cyberpunk it was struggling with or summat but no it's God damn sports games lol probably the easiest games to run on anything ... Yeah can't really believe it's that big of an issue really .

Also these are some of the biggest sellers year in year out...counter PR where it can hurt most

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The title doesn't correlate with what's said here:

I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think.

So it's just a cheap attempt for FUD, as usual.

 

[KOMANI]

They don't know what they're talking about. It's always DuskGolem and Jeff Grubb, how many threads are we allowed to open about those two ?

Jeff Grubb doesn't understand what he says, no Sony variable frequencies is not AMD smartshift unlike what he says, it's not the same thing, AMD smartshift is about giving unused power from CPU to GPU, only in that direction. Sony PS5 model is about being sure max available power is used both on CPU and GPU based on workload (not based on temperature, and it's deterministic).

How many FUD threads are allowed for the same DuskGolem tweets ?

I thought Dusk was Jeff

 

[Dr Bass]

Yeah, the title does not fit the content here at all. It's something the guy doesn't understand and then he proceeds to pontificate about potential ramifications. Real smart dude.

Funny because the new Spider-Man shot just dropped and it looks fantastic. Certainly nothing disappointing there. Let's see just one Series X screen shot that looks as good or better before we start talking about "troublesome" PS5 news.

BTW, these people do not understand hardware development. It's not like you're baking a cake where you toss all of the ingredients in and it might come out like crap if you screw up. It's not like you get to the end of development and suddenly realize, oh no "these variable frequencies are making me thirsty!"

Game journalism is dumb.

 

[GHG]

That's what I don't get. How is this even a story? He clearly states he isn't a dev and doesn't know or hasn't heard from a dev but He thinks(meaning his own opinion) it may be a problem.

I think all of the feelings, hopes and dreams that we post here on NeoGAF can one day become articles somewhere.

The bar is low.

 

[SilentUser]

After seeing how DLSS 2.0 and Checkerboard can achieve, and considering how much native 4K consumes in terms of graphical power, I really don't care if the "fake 4K" manages to create great IQ like some games in the past.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Look he could be bullshitting or he might not, but I don't get the weird selectivism in believing insiders

You shouldn't believe any.

 

[jimbojim]

The title doesn't correlate with what's said here:

I don't know for sure, I'm not a developer, but this SmartShift tech is worrisome I think.

Welll, the end. Btw. He heard that devs had a problems from Dusk Golem

 

[VALCON 82]

Yeah, the title does not fit the content here at all. It's something the guy doesn't understand and then he proceeds to pontificate about potential ramifications. Real smart dude.

Funny because the new Spider-Man shot just dropped and it looks fantastic. Certainly nothing disappointing there. Let's see just one Series X screen shot that looks as good or better before we start talking about "troublesome" PS5 news.

BTW, these people do not understand hardware development. It's not like you're baking a cake where you toss all of the ingredients in and it might come out like crap if you screw up. It's not like you get to the end of development and suddenly realize, oh no "these variable frequencies are making me thirsty!"

Game journalism is dumb.

Craig is gonna be on the next season of Nailed it! on Netflix..

 

[Gold_Loot]

This 'chasing of 4k' trend really needs to die sooner rather than later.
I would happily take 1440p with higher frame rates and better fidelity. And I think just about any true gamer would agree.

 

[THEAP99]

Seems like Cerny was an idiot (he generally seems overrated and not like some god) & put all his marbles into an SSD. Anyways idc much about power but it better not be more expensive than the Xbox IX.

Now it makes sense why they're going to moneyhatt bunch of 3rd party.

Sony believe's Content>power will get people to buy PS-5.

 

[jimbojim]

Yep, FUD about PS5 appeared again. Sadly

 

[TimFL]

These are the same types of people who urge people not to console war. Native 4K in games is pointless so who cares.

Yep. I wonder if these people realize that they will see every game as 4k on their 4k TVs...

 

[Jonsoncao]

Personally I will wait for Pro, just like getting my first PS3 slim back in 09 for Demon's Souls, not a fan of consuming Sony's feces.

 

[geordiemp]

Another concern you tuber / journalist giving opinion.

Glad we can see the games for ourselves . 4k60 and RT, and yet insiders say trouble...

Whatever.

 

[Elog]

If MS only spend as much money on games as they do on marketing and PR.

 

[PresetError]

This is a full on campaign now. "Insider" army to Xbox's rescue. In the past 24h they are all repeating the same, they all have the same information. Very convenient.

 

[geordiemp]

This is a full on campaign now. "Insider" army to Xbox's rescue. In the past 24h they are all repeating the same, they all have the same information. Very convenient.

Does GAF think MS is paying these you tubers to spread FUD on teh opposition, had a lot last few days or is it corordinated by the usual gang ?.

Shame most of them are as thick as a plank and have no idea what they are talking about.

It gives us a laugh..

 

[Riky]

Having an inferior looking Call Of Duty hurt Xbox One badly, history about to repeat on PS5.

 

[JonnyMP3]

Either Jeff's a dipshit or the programmers he's speaking to are dipshits. Smartshift is hardware level and automatic. It's literally a way for the CPU and GPU to give each other a hand by the switching and swapping available resources from frequency to power draw if one of the 2 isn't at maximum usage percentage.

If your game is CPU intensive but not GPU intensive, then smart shift will use the spare GPU power to help the CPU and vice versa, if the scene is graphics heavy but compute light, it'll use the spare CPU cycles to help calculate stuff for the GPU.

Edit: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/smartshift