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Orphan Black - Season 2 - Starring Tatiana Maslany as everyone - Sat on BBC America

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Holmes

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shadowkat said:
Well shit. Is that the sequence in the book?
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No, a genetic sequence, or genome, is just a long list of base pair (A, T, G, C) literally dozens and dozens (hundreds) of pages long. It seemed like it was pertinent information about project LEDA, though.
 
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Holmes said:
No, a genetic sequence, or genome, is just a long list of base pair (A, T, G, C) literally dozens and dozens (hundreds) of pages long. It seemed like it was pertinent information about project LEDA, though.
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Oh.

Science is not my strong subject. LOL
 
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shadowkat said:
Oh.

Science is not my strong subject. LOL
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It could be information about certain proteins (modifications to proteins that they caused by altering the original's genetic sequence) or changes to cell behavior that causes the illness. Anything, really.
 
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Holmes said:
No, a genetic sequence, or genome, is just a long list of base pair (A, T, G, C) literally dozens and dozens (hundreds) of pages long. It seemed like it was pertinent information about project LEDA, though.
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Yeah, I got the impression that the book contained the pertinent information regarding the synthetic sequences they infused to make the cloning possible. Duncan mentioned last episode that they had to alter portions of the genome to make the cloning possible. I imagine it's going to come down to that.
 
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We'll probably see more Tony next season (hopefully with better hair). The end of season 2 will probably wrap up (and I use that term lightly) the remaining storylines with the pre-established clones (does Cosima live or die, Helena's baby, Alison and Donnie hiding the body and how it affects the other clones, etc) but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the finale.

Also reviews are mixed, I'm not surprised. They sort of dumped Tony on us and didn't really explain anything to be honest.
 
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This episode is getting a mixed reception and I can see why. This seems to be one of the rare episodes where Orphan Black bit off more than it could chew.

There was just too many disparate things going on, even for a show that tends to move at the speed of light, and then to introduce a new clone in the middle of all this was just a bit much to follow.

To be fair, it doesn't seem like they set Tony to be more than a one-off here but, still, they could have built an entire episode around the discovery of not just a new clone, but a trans clone. So many questions raised, things that could have been explored, but stuffing it into an already full episode really sucked all the air out of the introduction of a new clone.
 
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royalan said:
This episode is getting a mixed reception and I can see why. This seems to be one of the rare episodes where Orphan Black bit off more than it could chew.

There was just too many disparate things going on, even for a show that tends to move at the speed of light, and then to introduce a new clone in the middle of all this was just a bit much to follow.

To be fair, it doesn't seem like they set Tony to be more than a one-off here but, still, they could have built an entire episode around the discovery of not just a new clone, but a trans clone. So many questions raised, things that could have been explored, but stuffing it into an already full episode really sucked all the air out of the introduction of a new clone.
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Agreed 100%. I felt like there was just too many plotlines going on during the past few episodes but hopefully even with this blunder they can tie everything together neatly with 2 more episodes.

They could've done a lot more with Tony, after the amusingly shocking cold open they just let him drift throughout the episode. I'm sure this wont be the last of his character though, he'll be in the next season along with whatever "suits" were after him.

Also regret watching the preview for this episode.
 
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Eh this Tony bombshell was the first misstep the show has taken in my eyes. It was just so randomly out of nowhere it was kinda distracting from the rest of the show which was great.

Allison continues to have the best lines though.
 
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Sober said:
Huh an interview with two people who will never win an Emmy huh :(((((
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Two of my absolute favorite performances of the modern television 'protagonist.'
I will read the hell out of this interview.

I've had the chance to watch tonight's episode twice. Once with fans and one with very inebriated friends. Couldn't stop laughing and being horrified. That's surely a sign of something. Hopefully there are a few new Orphan Black regular viewers.
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Eh this Tony bombshell was the first misstep the show has taken in my eyes. It was just so randomly out of nowhere it was kinda distracting from the rest of the show which was great.

Allison continues to have the best lines though.
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It's incredibly absurd. It reminds me of the Gustavo (spoiler about his Breaking Bad plot line)
death scene
and something else very obvious I can't remember because I spent too much time remembering ubb code. There's a very strong love it or hate it sentiment that will be carried on about that plot line. If I was even slightly more clearheaded at the moment I'd love to hear and write more on the topic.
 
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It's incredibly absurd. It reminds me of the Gustavo (spoiler about his Breaking Bad plot line)
death scene
and something else very obvious I can't remember because I spent too much time remembering ubb code. There's a very strong love it or hate it sentiment that will be carried on about that plot line. If I was even slightly more clearheaded at the moment I'd love to hear and write more on the topic.
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Eh, I don't think it was a matter of them being any bit similar or Tony being "YMMV" kind of reveal. It seemed like they knew what they wanted to do for the future so they decided to drop it in here. And it seemed to go nowhere after the tease at the start and then kinda petered out as the actual other plot lines played out as they would. It was not really connected at all except to give Felix and Art something to do in the meantime.

Holmes said:
Yeah, Tony would've been a perfect way to open the next season.
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Yeah. I think Tony is great and a cool extra facet of the show, it just needed more time but I can see why they wanted to do it right then and there.
 
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Is it that Tony is a male, or is it how they hastefully introduced a new clone, or both?
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It was how it was done. Poof there, poof gone. It would have been better to introduce him next season. He has fantastic potential as a clone and a trans one at that. I hope we see more of him next season.

I like the episode overall but Tony felt a bit clumsy. And they need to give him better hair.
 
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Haha, sister kisser.

Tony's pretty cool. I like his introduction, and also how he's still "isolated" in a sense to Sarah, Cosima, Alison, and the Dyad Institute. I'd definitely want to see Tony back. His chinstrap bothered me so much. :lol

So, I guess we can assume that Paul has his own shit going on that probably won't be revealed until next week or in two weeks for the finale. Initially, when Tony quoted Sammy and I heard "keep the faith," I thought Sammy and Paul were involved with the Proletheans in secret.

I don't think the writers and art designers in season 1 even thought about introducing a trans clone when they designed that Sarah memorial painting with the penis at the bottom. Nice callback.
 
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the_firewithin said:
Eh this Tony bombshell was the first misstep the show has taken in my eyes. It was just so randomly out of nowhere it was kinda distracting from the rest of the show which was great.
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Yup. Every character that Tatiana was playing made me feel they were all different people. The Tony character just looks like Tatiana in a fake beard with a sock stuffed in her underwear.

Really wish they didn't do that... it's a bad step into cornyness.
 
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Confused feelings on seeing Tatiana Maslany as Tony stripped down to the tanktop and shorts.

Also, Alison and Donnie are messed up and they're awesome. "The kids are truant!"
 
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shadowkat said:
It was how it was done. Poof there, poof gone. It would have been better to introduce him next season. He has fantastic potential as a clone and a trans one at that. I hope we see more of him next season.

I like the episode overall but Tony felt a bit clumsy. And they need to give him better hair.
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The hair and makeup were definitely bad, but I think no matter what they could do I don't think I'd buy Tony. Tatiana simply has too feminine features and is much too petite to make me believe she's a guy/on hormone therapy.
 
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I didn't understand what Tatiana was going for with Tony's voice. At the beginning we could clearly tell that his was voice was noticeably a bit deeper, but then at Felix's place, his voice was shifting inbetween Tatiana's voice and the man voice. I also didn't understand what kind of dialect she was going for.

What's absurd is how Felix is able to be attracted to Sarah with a terrible hairstyle and a little hair on the chin. That premise is really silly, and it makes little sense. The only sense that it makes is that, Felix is gay, but, Tony looks just like Sarah. Tony feels rushed, his voice, his personality, and the way he looks. I didn't care so much before, but Tony to me is just a walking "we were just fucking with you."
 
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Tony...?

Okay, this I did not see coming. Just started the episode, but interesting.

Lol, Rachel worried about Cardboard Paul.

The Allison/Donnie show is the best. He's drunk when his wife comes back from rehab.


Tatiana is not pulling Tony off as well as the other clones as I don't fully believe Tony is his own character.

Maybe the hair?
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Yeah, Tat's portrayal of Tony is a good attempt, but I'm not... feeling it.
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The show does not need new clones, it needs to spend more time with the ones we have already. Like what they did with Rachel and her father, you can see little glimpses of humanity in her but the steely control that puts them down immediately.

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Got to say not a real big fan of Tony I was warming up to him by the end of the episode though but still REALLY? Did we have to go that route?

Gotta say this felt like another set up episode and frankly I'm tired of those. I feel like after the premiere the pacing has sort of declined definitely not up to Season 1 standards for me.
 
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Yeah... I think the Tony thing is something they should've tried to keep for next season with so much going on but I guess they needed someone to deliver that message.

Wonder if Kira being an offspring of a clone she along with the stem cell powered super healing factor gets suped-up/accelerated intelligence and intellectual development from maybe her father's DNA or whatever that I'm currently not sure what I'm going with. Basically she gets genetically "amped up" or something, I don't know.

Also mildly amused in finding out while seeing if the creators were involved in anyway with Dark Angel (nope) that one of them was a writer on the Taken miniseries in which Matt Frewer also played a scientist who eventually started trying to track down a "special" little girl played by Dakota Fanning. He also
ends up dead after being shot
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I do feel like maybe making the episode mostly about Tony would have been smarter. As it is, his introduction affects... nothing. It felt like he was supposed to lead into whatever the hell is happening with Paul, via the message from his monitor, but we got so little information about that that it was meaningless.

I enjoyed most of what happened in each location, mind. Hopefully next episode brings it back to a place where everyone starts to converge on one another again.
 
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