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OS X El Capitan [OT]

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NintendoRev

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Well, I think my issues on ElCap have finally subsided. I guess it really was Spotlight reindexing. Going quite smooth now! Not mind blowing different than Yosemite but Yosemite wasn't terrible on this machine to begin with so I wasn't expecting a whole lot of difference.
 
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antispin

Member
Hey, so this is kinda OT but didn't get a response in the software thread: can someone recommend a good app for managing and reading comics? I'm currently using Simple Comic (doesn't do management) and Eton (buggy).

Thanks in advance!
 
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Futureman

Member
Haven't really done much yet but I've not really noticed any changes. Pinned tabs in Safari is about it.

but if it brings performance improvements that's fine by me. I remember being so excited to install 10.5. Now it's kinda like whatever... but it's free!

I don't like in Mission Control how it doesn't show a desktop preview for your other desktops until you move your cursor up to the top.

what does "Dashboard as Overlay" mean? I can't figure out how to trigger it now.
 
HUELEN10

HUELEN10

Member
As Space.
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As Overlay.
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Futureman

Member
is the only way to trigger it on my MPB fn+F4?

nm... I see you can set a shortcut. I wish 4-finger swipe right could still bring it up.
nm2... I guess I have it set to a hot corner, never even knew since I always did the trackpad gesture to get to Dashboard. Overaly is nicer but I guess this was in Yosemite too? haha
 
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Futureman

Member
Lightroom always had a weird hitch and screen stutter when I would moved between the Library and Develop panes and that's totally gone now. Impressed!
 
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The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
NJDEN said:
Firstly, how do I change the fullscreen button to just maximize a window without fullscreening the application? I know if you hold the alt key and click it will simply maximize it, but is their a way to make this behavior default? I think this is how it functioned back in Mavericks, but I can't quite remember.

Secondly, when I click the maximize button it sometimes only maximizes vertically, but not horizontally. Is their a way to do both vertical and horizontal maxing?

Thirdly, does OS X have the snap feature where if I drag a window to a corner it expands to take up 1/4 of the screen. Or if I drag it to a side or the top it takes up 1/2 the screen?

Lastly, can I make the dock remain active on the desktop, hide when it's obstructing a window and when a window is maximized or full screened?
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1) Better Touch Tool can do this. Under Other, add a gesture and choose "Leftclick green button" and change its action to Window Interaction > Zoom Window Below Cursor.

2) It's not a Maximize button. Mac OS has always used a "Zoom" function. It resizes the window to the content size. It's been this way since OS 8 at least. BTT might be able to help you change that too. Under Other do the same as above but for the action instead choose Window Resize & Move > Maximize Window.

3) BTT can do this too. There's dozens of apps that offer Windows 7 style snapping. BTT is the best choice over all of them. Download BTT. IT IS ESSENTIAL.

4) I don't really get what you mean here. The Dock won't be visible in fullscreen anyway. And on the desktop, you can't resize a window passed it anyway. Again, maximizing in OS X is not the same as Windows. Fullscreen is OS X's "Maximize" equivalent. It's my favorite thing actually. Loved it since it appeared in Lion. But I digress.

Hope that helps. Basically, download Better Touch Tool. It is an essential download for any Mac user. Whether you have a trackpad or not. It offers so much and is free.
 
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Ambitious

Member
When clicking on a folder in the dock which is set to display as a grid, the opening animation is still lagging like hell.
 
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FerranMG

Member
Honestly, all the features that BTT offers should have been integrated in the OS itself far too long ago.
It doesn't make any sense that they just started supporting screen splitting and that they're doing it with a half-assed solution such as split view.
The fact that they force you to work with different spaces is stupid. I find myself too much in the situation in which I want to drag a file from finder to an app I have open in another space, and the process is tedious.
I really can't understand how they couldn't figure out a better solution for screen splitting//snapping.
 
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Meh3D

Member
FerranMG said:
Honestly, all the features that BTT offers should have been integrated in the OS itself far too long ago.
It doesn't make any sense that they just started supporting screen splitting and that they're doing it with a half-assed solution such as split view.
The fact that they force you to work with different spaces is stupid. I find myself too much in the situation in which I want to drag a file from finder to an app I have open in another space, and the process is tedious.
I really can't understand how they couldn't figure out a better solution for screen splitting//snapping.
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I have a gut feeling this is so it doesn't look like a direct copy of Aero Snap. That or it is a direct implementation of the iPad split view to further acclimate their users towards an iOS master race!
 
F

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
Speaking of localization issues, Spotlight isn't querying the appropriate dictionaries anymore, at least when the OS is in Brazilian Portuguese.

Before, if you typed a word in Spotlight it would show the definition in the appropriate language based on the dictionaries you have installed and in the order you have them in the Dictionary app's preferences. Now in El Capitan it's always showing me definitions/translations from the “Gran Diccionario Oxford - Español-Inglés • Inglis-Español” (which I don't even have installed) instead of showing the definition in Portuguese like it used to. The Dictionary app proper is acting normally, it's only on Spotlight definitions that this happens.

This has been happening at least since the GM (first version of El Capitan that I used) and continued to happen in 10.11.1. I sent feedback through the assistant when I was still in the beta, hopefully they fix this behavior and it goes back to how it was before.
 
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The Real Abed

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MarsMartin said:
I have a gut feeling this is so it doesn't look like a direct copy of Aero Snap. That or it is a direct implementation of the iPad split view to further acclimate their users towards an iOS master race!
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Aero Snap is a different thing from what Windows 8 and 10 do now. Split view is closer to the Windows 8/10 implementation in that apps go fullscreen. Snap is tiling. Thankfully BTT can give you the Snap functionality while El Capitan gives you the tiling functionality. (Albeit more like iOS than Windows) So you can have both worlds. Just set a delay for the BTT snap feature and you can use both. Snapping for desktop spaces and split view for fullscreen spaces.

Apple's just trying to make OS X feel familiar so it's easier to switch between an iOS device and your Mac. I see absolutely no problem with that. As long as they don't shoehorn a touch screen onto OS X it's fine. Apple is handling it the best way anyone can.
 
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Ninja Dom

Member
Anybody had any crashing of apps since installing El Cap?

iTunes just crashed after pressing the eject button to eject my iPhone. And iDVD is a buggy mess on El Cap too.
 
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The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
iDVD hasn't been updated in a really long time. The last update was in 2011. And that's when they stopped putting it on machines. iDVD died with iLife.
 
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The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
bearythebear said:
Can split view only be done with Full Screen mode?

Who the fuck uses full screen apps...
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People who love getting work done with zero effort for switching between apps. And split view now lets you get even more done.

Just because you don't use it doesn't mean no one does.

I don't use tags all that much. (Horrible implementation. I stick to just the standard 7 colors) Or AirDrop. Or Finder tabs. Which obviously means no one at all in the entire world uses those.

Ikuu said:
It's very bad implementation, you need to use a third party app if you want it done right.
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Define "done right".
 
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komplanen

Member
I have 0 problems with the Capitan and I actually prefer it to Windows 10. In a world where I did not play PC games I would not own Windows on any device.

Apple just gets good basic design so well.
 
HUELEN10

HUELEN10

Member
For the last time people, Window Snapping and Split View are 2 totally different things.

Why do people confuse the two? You shouldn't compare them.
 
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The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
Ikuu said:
It requires the apps to be fullscreen and only allows two windows, it's a very poor and basic implementation.
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How would you improve it? Also, why is requiring fullscreen a problem? That's how Windows does it.

If you want tiling, use BTT. Then you get both worlds.

And yeah, it would be nice to have a third window occasionally. But until apps start being released designed to detect and change themselves when in narrow mode then it won't happen. (Not that I expect it to happen anyway. Not many machines have really high resolutions by default (I have to set my 15" MBP to 1200p Retina in order to get enough space because its default is 900p which is literally the same as a MacBook Air on a bigger screen. So really I don't see that being an option.)

I've said before it needs better management too. I love split view and get use out of it all the time. I love Fullscreen too and use it for every single app I can. (Except Finder. That one's still poorly designed.) What I want is a way to pull apps apart once they're in split view without taking either one of them out of fullscreen first. Once they're stacked you can't separate them without taking one or both out which adds extra steps. It's just not fluid enough. Hopefully 10.12 brings along a more refined Mission Control with better management. And maybe a rebuilt Finder. It won't.
 
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zychi

Banned
Ninja Dom said:
Anybody had any crashing of apps since installing El Cap?

iTunes just crashed after pressing the eject button to eject my iPhone. And iDVD is a buggy mess on El Cap too.
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Safari crashes for me allllllllllllll the time. It just freezes and I have to manually Force Quit
 
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The Real Abed

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Ikuu said:
Why not?
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Because they're not the same at all. Windows has both implementations too. (In a way) So it's unfair to compare making a space into a partitioned space with two separate apps to taking two windows and resizing them so they take up half the screen each. They're very different.
 
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Ikuu

Had his dog run over by Blizzard's CEO
The Real Abed said:
How would you improve it? Also, why is requiring fullscreen a problem? That's how Windows does it.
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I'd make it exactly like Windows or the other 3rd party solutions which do it better. I don't want to have my dock or my menubar hidden. I want to be able to have 1-4 apps open and not just 2.
 
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The Real Abed

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Ikuu said:
I'd make it exactly like Windows or the other 3rd party solutions which do it better. I don't want to have my dock or my menubar hidden. I want to be able to have 1-4 apps open and not just 2.
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Then use BTT! Split View is not for you. There's no use in arguing it because it's not going to change. This is how Split View works. If you want window tiling then use one of the literally dozens of third party apps that will let you do it.
 
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Ambitious

Member
I'd like to be able to put some window above the two windows of a Split View space. I'd like to be able to seamlessly replace one SV window with another, similar to how you can select a different Slide Over app in iOS 9 by swiping down from the top edge of the screen.
 
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The Real Abed

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Ambitious said:
I'd like to be able to put some window above the two windows of a Split View space. I'd like to be able to seamlessly replace one SV window with another, similar to how you can select a different Slide Over app in iOS 9 by swiping down from the top edge of the screen.
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Yeah. I think Windows does this too. We need better management. Split View is a good start, but give us more options for easily switching out apps or removing one from another.

Make it so there's a gesture to bring up a list in the currently focused side to choose from other eligible windows or spaces.

And let us drag two apart from within Mission Control's thumbnail list.

And give us goddamned PIP! Even if it's limited to apps that support it, I'm sure all the good video apps will update quickly. I want VLC and HTML5 video floating in the corner above all my windows, but movable and resizable when I need to like on iOS, following the focus of my screen rather than attached to a single space. I mean putting a HTML5 video in split view works for now, but it means I have to remain in Safari because I can't have it follow me to other apps. PIP would solve this. I can't believe it's not in OS X yet. I really hope it's an API for next year. It'd be easy to implement too. 1) Go into Mission Control. 2) Drag a window or space from the top into the bottom corner and wait. It'll change into a PIP thumbnail. 3) Drop it and exit out of Mission Control. The window will remain there playing its video. If 10.12 doesn't have PIP I will cry.
 
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Ambitious

Member
The Real Abed said:
Yeah. I think Windows does this too. We need better management. Split View is a good start, but give us more options for easily switching out apps or removing one from another.

Make it so there's a gesture to bring up a list in the currently focused side to choose from other eligible windows or spaces.

And let us drag two apart from within Mission Control's thumbnail list.

And give us goddamned PIP! Even if it's limited to apps that support it, I'm sure all the good video apps will update quickly. I want VLC and HTML5 video floating in the corner above all my windows, but movable and resizable when I need to like on iOS, following the focus of my screen rather than attached to a single space. I mean putting a HTML5 video in split view works for now, but it means I have to remain in Safari because I can't have it follow me to other apps. PIP would solve this. I can't believe it's not in OS X yet. I really hope it's an API for next year. It'd be easy to implement too. 1) Go into Mission Control. 2) Drag a window or space from the top into the bottom corner and wait. It'll change into a PIP thumbnail. 3) Drop it and exit out of Mission Control. The window will remain there playing its video. If 10.12 doesn't have PIP I will cry.
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A simple, but effective solution: It is already possible to create a Split View space by dragging a window onto a fullscreen space in Mission Control. You choose the side by dropping it either on the left half or the right half of the thumbnail. Why not allow dragging another window onto said thumbnail to in order to switch the positions of the windows? Like, the dragged window becomes a SV window, and the previous SV window is moved to the space the dragged window originally came from.

Similarly, you should be able to move a window out of a SV by simply dragging it away, either from the Mission Control thumbnail or the actual space in Mission Control.
 
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The Real Abed

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Ambitious said:
A simple, but effective solution: It is already possible to create a Split View space by dragging a window onto a fullscreen space in Mission Control. You choose the side by dropping it either on the left half or the right half of the thumbnail. Why not allow dragging another window onto said thumbnail to in order to switch the positions of the windows? Like, the dragged window becomes a SV window, and the previous SV window is moved to the space the dragged window originally came from.

Similarly, you should be able to move a window out of a SV by simply dragging it away, either from the Mission Control thumbnail or the actual space in Mission Control.
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Yeah. Just give us more fluid control. Hopefully they have their best HIG people on the case right now figuring out ways to improve it. It's a great start but it has so much potential they need to discover. That swapping idea is great. But I'd also like a list that appears in the same place. Basically like the list grid you get when you press and hold on the green button on a Desktop and choose a side.

Also, I've gotten Safari to consistently crash instantly by putting an HTML5 video into split view then dragging the thumbnail in Mission Control to separate them. Apparently it doesn't know how to handle putting the video back into its own window when it never had a window in the first place so it just crashes. Usually it's never a problem since the video usually ends and I always just Escape it out of fullscreen.
 
cjp

cjp

Junior Member
Could I set up BTT to open a link in a new background tab via a four finger tap?
 
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