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OS X El Capitan [OT]

hirokazu

Member
Anyone enable TRIM on a 3rd-party SSD yet?

I have, and I haven't encountered any issues with it yet, although if there are issues it can take a while for it to manifest.

I did encounter a problem once where I got a beachball after waking from sleep. After a force restart, my iPhoto library was corrupt and had to be rebuilt, so I restored it from a backup. I had iPhoto running when it beachballed. Not sure that's even related to having TRIM enabled though.

i was told i should run Trim every now and then - can someone explain that to me?

That makes no sense. TRIM is performed when the SSD is told to remove a file. That's the whole point because later on, it doesn't have a record of what to TRIM, hence why performance can degrade without it.

You can get it to brute force "TRIM" the entire drive, which is what Disk Sensei's manual TRIM does. I'm not sure of the exact operation, but I believe it involves writing files filled with zeroes to the entire free space of the drive.

Who the fuck uses full screen apps...

I use whenever I need a lot of space for an app like Safari or Excel. It's a quick and easy way to focus on that app when needed and then have things back to normal again without having to resize the window manually.

A full screen Safari window or iTunes window makes me happy.

I have the sidebar visible in iTunes and it's practically useless in split view. :/
 
Wow. So my MacBook Pro 2011 model was updating to El Captain. Everything was going great and then all of a sudden it said some problems occurred and some files couldn't be restored. It then prompted me to hit the restart button which I did thinking it would just reset the process..... But now it's booting into OS X installer.... Did I just lose all my stuff? I was just about to buy a new back up harddrive too. :/ My original broke.

Okay the Actual error is "file system verify or repair failed" I pressed command + R and am gonna try first aid on my hard drive. Hopefully this works.
 

Auctopus

Member
Update's been great for me except a lot of my Logic Pro plugins have just broken :(

Guitar Rig 5 and Focusrite Midnight Compressor and EQ.
 

Ambitious

Member
I was about to comment on how none of the Safari issues I frequently encounter have been fixed, but I couldn't. Safari does not start anymore. The Dock icon keeps jumping up and down forever, even after force-quitting it.

Of course, my first idea of how to solve this was to restart my Mac. But guess what? It doesn't fucking work. I can't restart! It closed all windows and apps, but nothing else happens. I can still use the Finder, but it won't let me start any other app ("X interrupted the reboot process"). Clicking the Restart menu item again doesn't do anything.

What a mess. Jesus Christ, what a mess. How broken does an OS have to be if not even restarting works reliably?


edit: I had to force shut down my Mac. Once again, I might add. Safari works again. Wanna know when I last had to force shut down Windows 7/8/10? Never.
 

Irminsul

Member
How would you improve it? Also, why is requiring fullscreen a problem? That's how Windows does it.
What? No it's not. At least not with Win 10, as Aero Snap can do everything split view does (e.g., not requiring a 50/50 split) and more (four windows instead of two).
 

Ambitious

Member
Of course my Mac still randomly enters standby with about 30-40% battery left. It's been quite a few months since I last saw the "Low Battery" warning. No, resetting the PRAM and the SMC and all that other shit didn't fix it.
 

mrkgoo

Member
Wow. So my MacBook Pro 2011 model was updating to El Captain. Everything was going great and then all of a sudden it said some problems occurred and some files couldn't be restored. It then prompted me to hit the restart button which I did thinking it would just reset the process..... But now it's booting into OS X installer.... Did I just lose all my stuff? I was just about to buy a new back up harddrive too. :/ My original broke.

Okay the Actual error is "file system verify or repair failed" I pressed command + R and am gonna try first aid on my hard drive. Hopefully this works.

Could be a failing hard drive. Many people will blame the update as having messed it up, but in these cases, it's possible the HD was already failing and it took the update to actually make it manifest the issues, such as putting critical files onto bad sectors or something like that.

Hopefully yours repairs any file structure anomalies and isn't a failing HD.
 

Ninja Dom

Member
What a mess. Jesus Christ, what a mess. How broken does an OS have to be if not even restarting works reliably?


edit: I had to force shut down my Mac. Once again, I might add. Safari works again. Wanna know when I last had to force shut down Windows 7/8/10? Never.

It's not OS X. It's got to be your Mac. Seriously. Plenty of us here in the OT have upgraded to El Capitan with none of the problems that you've encountered. And I remember your hassles with Yosemite from the OT there. I really reckon that you've got bad hardware somewhere.
 

gruenel

Member
I was about to comment on how none of the Safari issues I frequently encounter have been fixed, but I couldn't. Safari does not start anymore. The Dock icon keeps jumping up and down forever, even after force-quitting it.

Of course, my first idea of how to solve this was to restart my Mac. But guess what? It doesn't fucking work. I can't restart! It closed all windows and apps, but nothing else happens. I can still use the Finder, but it won't let me start any other app ("X interrupted the reboot process"). Clicking the Restart menu item again doesn't do anything.

What a mess. Jesus Christ, what a mess. How broken does an OS have to be if not even restarting works reliably?


edit: I had to force shut down my Mac. Once again, I might add. Safari works again. Wanna know when I last had to force shut down Windows 7/8/10? Never.

Are you using SMB shares? I have this OS X freezing problem when working with SMB shares. Since Mavericks.

Enforcing SMB1 helps.
 

Ambitious

Member
It's not OS X. It's got to be your Mac. Seriously. Plenty of us here in the OT have upgraded to El Capitan with none of the problems that you've encountered. And I remember your hassles with Yosemite from the OT there. I really reckon that you've got bad hardware somewhere.

Which piece of hardware could cause an issue like that? The hard drive, maybe?

Are you using SMB shares? I have this OS X freezing problem when working with SMB shares. Since Mavericks.

Enforcing SMB1 helps.

I do, actually, but not right now. There are not even any SMB devices in the network I'm connected to right now.
But the OS didn't fully freeze. As mentioned above, I was still able to use the Finder, Spotlight, the Menu Bar, Notification Center, and pretty much everything else. It's just that when attempting to start an app, the "X interrupted the restart process" message appeared for a second before disappearing again. And the system just wouldn't restart. Something blocked the reboot. Wasn't able to find anything in the Console, though.
 

samn

Member
Of course my Mac still randomly shuts down with about 30-40% battery left. It's been quite a few months since I last saw the "Low Battery" warning. No, resetting the PRAM and the SMC and all that other shit didn't fix it.

Sounds like it could be the motherboard =/
 
I just managed to freak out my computer by trying to "snap" a window by using a program called Spectacle while I was already in split screen view. I had two Word documents open side by side and the one i tried to move started flickering and became unresponsive. I had to drag the split screen programs onto my other desktop from the Mission Control view to get them to stop. I won't do that again, haha.
 

Sanjuro

Member
Of course my Mac still randomly shuts down with about 30-40% battery left. It's been quite a few months since I last saw the "Low Battery" warning. No, resetting the PRAM and the SMC and all that other shit didn't fix it.

How many cycles are on your battery? Is there any swelling, notable changes to typing?
 
What new content blockers are people using? I've tried Wipr and Adamant.
They all seem to have a delay in Youtube before a video plays.
 

Ambitious

Member
How many cycles are on your battery? Is there any swelling, notable changes to typing?

No swelling or any other discernible issues. 823 cycles.


edit:

Of course my Mac still randomly shuts down with about 30-40% battery left. It's been quite a few months since I last saw the "Low Battery" warning. No, resetting the PRAM and the SMC and all that other shit didn't fix it.

Sounds like it could be the motherboard =/

How many cycles are on your battery? Is there any swelling, notable changes to typing?

Yikes. I'm sorry, guys, I just realized I wrote it "shuts down". That's completely wrong; I actually meant to say it goes into standby.
 

RevoDS

Junior Member
If you are still within warranty, bring that to the store ASAP. Out of warranty, try bringing it to a specialist.
The battery's warranty is valid for 300 cycles. Store won't replace if you're past 300 cycles, even though the battery is rated for 1000, even on AppleCare. I tried with my old MacBook Pro which was around 60% health after 500 cycles and they said it was normal that a battery needs to be replaced by that point and isn't covered under warranty/AppleCare.

He's SOL I think unless he lands on an amazing rep who's willing to bend the rules.
 

Sanjuro

Member
The battery's warranty is valid for 300 cycles. Store won't replace if you're past 300 cycles, even though the battery is rated for 1000, even on AppleCare. I tried with my old MacBook Pro which was around 60% health after 500 cycles and they said it was normal that a battery needs to be replaced by that point and isn't covered under warranty/AppleCare.

He's SOL I think unless he lands on an amazing rep who's willing to bend the rules.

They sometimes will, that is why I suggested the specialist over the main store. I used to do it all the time. Unless it is an absurd cycle number or old machine, Apple makes plenty of exceptions.
 
Could be a failing hard drive. Many people will blame the update as having messed it up, but in these cases, it's possible the HD was already failing and it took the update to actually make it manifest the issues, such as putting critical files onto bad sectors or something like that.

Hopefully yours repairs any file structure anomalies and isn't a failing HD.

The outlook doesn't look good to be honest. :( gonna get my parents external and back it up from disk utility in recovery mode. Then try to do a clean install. It only needs to last me a couple more weeks so I can get a new one.
 

Ambitious

Member
If you are still within warranty, bring that to the store ASAP. Out of warranty, try bringing it to a specialist.

The battery's warranty is valid for 300 cycles. Store won't replace if you're past 300 cycles, even though the battery is rated for 1000, even on AppleCare. I tried with my old MacBook Pro which was around 60% health after 500 cycles and they said it was normal that a battery needs to be replaced by that point and isn't covered under warranty/AppleCare.

He's SOL I think unless he lands on an amazing rep who's willing to bend the rules.

They sometimes will, that is why I suggested the specialist over the main store. I used to do it all the time. Unless it is an absurd cycle number or old machine, Apple makes plenty of exceptions.

Have you seen the edit in my previous post? I wrongly stated that my Mac would shut down. I meant to say that it goes into sleep mode.

Anyway, there are no Apple Stores in my country. There's a premium reseller, but I despise going there. Warranty has expired a long time ago; it's a first-gen rMBP (mid 2012). Are you certain it's a hardware problem and not just some kind of miscalibration?
 

Sanjuro

Member
I'm not certain. That is why I suggested bringing it in. Either way, sounds like a battery issue to some extent just going off that.
 

samn

Member
Have you seen the edit in my previous post? I wrongly stated that my Mac would shut down. I meant to say that it goes into sleep mode.

Anyway, there are no Apple Stores in my country. There's a premium reseller, but I despise going there. Warranty has expired a long time ago; it's a first-gen rMBP (mid 2012). Are you certain it's a hardware problem and not just some kind of miscalibration?

It going into sleep mode could also be a hardware issue.
 

Ambitious

Member
That's what happens when I browse through my Photo Library:

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I just opened the last picture and used the left arrow key to browse my photos. The faster I press the key, the higher the CPU load goes.
I have configured the app to store my whole library on disk, so I know the high load isn't caused by downloading the full-res pictures. Can anyone reproduce this?
 

DOWN

Banned
Help me understand:

If I just want my Mac and my iPhone to transition to the public releases (they are currently on the betas), can I just go into settings and do the Delete Beta Profile step or whatever?

Will they then show me the next public non-beta release when it come out automatically?

Or is there some tricky steps to making sure you stop seeing the betas and instead get whatever the next public release is?
 

Captain.Falafel

Neo Member
Ever since I installed I keep getting this dialog box popping up every fifteen or so minutes and installing the update hasn't stopped it. Any ideas?

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I've been looking into remixing my own version of the GUI. AFAIK the biggest obstacle is that OS X inherited a lot of iOS's bundling of graphic assets, so while I'd say you could figure out a way to just palette-swap your OS with no real issues, I just checked the CoreServices System Appearance bundle and everything is wrapped up in Apple-specific binary .car files. Not sure if there's a good way to extract or recompile those.

Apologies for the late response, but I'd missed this section of your post until now.

This program is supposed to allow you to unpack/re-pack Apple's car files, specifically for the purpose of making themes.
 
I have, and I haven't encountered any issues with it yet, although if there are issues it can take a while for it to manifest.

I did encounter a problem once where I got a beachball after waking from sleep. After a force restart, my iPhoto library was corrupt and had to be rebuilt, so I restored it from a backup. I had iPhoto running when it beachballed. Not sure that's even related to having TRIM enabled though

Interesting. So there's no volume integrity check or disk scan that can be performed on drives to see if legitimate data has been treated as garbage?
 

mrkgoo

Member
Have you seen the edit in my previous post? I wrongly stated that my Mac would shut down. I meant to say that it goes into sleep mode.

Anyway, there are no Apple Stores in my country. There's a premium reseller, but I despise going there. Warranty has expired a long time ago; it's a first-gen rMBP (mid 2012). Are you certain it's a hardware problem and not just some kind of miscalibration?

Is it a 13" or 15"?
 
Help me understand:

If I just want my Mac and my iPhone to transition to the public releases (they are currently on the betas), can I just go into settings and do the Delete Beta Profile step or whatever?

Will they then show me the next public non-beta release when it come out automatically?

Or is there some tricky steps to making sure you stop seeing the betas and instead get whatever the next public release is?

I dont know in ios but in el capitan, in the system preferences you can go to the app store preferences and select no to receive beta updates. Then when the next regular version drops you will be prompted to install it
 
I didn't know it even does this. I'll have to check it out.

It's extremely annoying when watching videos as I naturally move the cursor over to the left so it's not in the way and to stop the playback bar from appearing. What's more frustrating is that there's a button for the same sidebar literally above it. Why???
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
I've never had this happen.

Perhaps try updating to the 10.11.1 beta and see if it fixes it for you.
No it doesn't. It's a feature that you can't turn off.

If it's not working for you, then your machine is broken and not working as it's supposed to.

That said, there really needs to be an option to turn it off.

Actually Safari needs a lot of options.
 
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