theignoramus
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Oscar had the opportunity to shut Floyd up and failed. This comes across as professional jealousy and nothing more.
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Oscar De la Hoya's Letter to Floyd Mayweather
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That's who he should be fighting.
GGG slaps Canelo about in a one-sided fight. Sadly, whoever wins, I can't see them stepping up to the plate to fight Golovkin at 160.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Oscar does have a great legacy, but I hope you mean Ray Leonard.
Floyd is in that absolute top tier echelon of all time greats with Ray Robinson and Ali. Top 5 all time p4p fighter that people will be talking about 50 years from now.
Oscar is in that huge 2nd tier lane with B Hop, Tommy Hearns, James Toney, Roy Jones, etc in my mind. Had a great run up to 25-0 or whatever then was never the same after that Trinidad fight. Nobody ever beat Floyd up the way Mosley did Oscar twice.
He was a marketable star but nobody really cares about that once people are done trying to sell your fights. Nobody is looking back all these years later as Hagler not being a great fighter because he wasn't a pretty boy who could work a mic. I'll give Oscar credit for fighting good competition but so did Floyd. This letter is lame as hell and I can just picture smug ass De La Hoya grinning as he pressed send.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Floyd doesn't care. He beat Oscar in the ring, and screw that SD crap.. he beat him handily.. wasn't a close fight.
Also the fallacy that Floyd is a boring fighter has do with age and weight.. besides outside of the Berto and Pac fights.. which were extremely boring? Dude gave us some great fights through years.. with 49 fights some duds are acceptable.
Oscar is still salty about Haymon and Richard Schaefer.. but it's all his own doing.. he was too busy snorting coke and sleeping with hookers to notice what was going on.
Also the fallacy that Floyd is a boring fighter has do with age and weight.. besides outside of the Berto and Pac fights.. which were extremely boring? Dude gave us some great fights through years.. with 49 fights some duds are acceptable.
Oscar is still salty about Haymon and Richard Schaefer.. but it's all his own doing.. he was too busy snorting coke and sleeping with hookers to notice what was going on.
And then he'll say some stupid shit like "I drank rotted milk last night to make for a more entertaining fight"
Ninja Scooter
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No i def meant Ray Leonard. There are few boxers who are so beloved that even a loss doesn't hurt their star or draw power, and losses could sometimes even add to their legacy. Ali obviously had this more than anyone. Ray Leonard too and to some extent I think Oscar in his prime was that next guy.
People getting salty about a person being salty?
Mayweather is/was a great boxer, but he also knew when to pick his opponents. They were either shit (Hatton etc) over the hill or didn't have enough experience. I don't like Mayweather as a person what with the over top stuff and woman beating etc, but you can't take away good he was in the ring.
Mayweather is/was a great boxer, but he also knew when to pick his opponents. They were either shit (Hatton etc) over the hill or didn't have enough experience. I don't like Mayweather as a person what with the over top stuff and woman beating etc, but you can't take away good he was in the ring.
DanteGhost
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Really? Starting to lose credibility there. Phelps, Bolt, and Messi are just a few recent ones that come to mind. And way more entertaining than Mayweather.
SilentRacoon
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He did what he was best at, he is a sportsman, he shouldn't give a shit if the public found his style boring, like it or not his wins clearly prove that he was doing something right.
This reads more like salty words of a sore loser.
This reads more like salty words of a sore loser.
None of the mentioned have been undefeated world champions for 17 years straight. Boxing & other combat sports are unique in that way, I guess.
(Sebastien Loeb is the most dominant sportsman of the past decade).
Hands of Stone
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That must be one hell of a weak 5 then. I'll agree with the 50 years part.
Roy Jones was a goddamn physical freak in his prime and I have him higher than Floyd as well. Beating McCallum, (not prime) B-Hop, Prime Toney, and grabbing a HW title is far more impressive than anything Floyd has done.
Let me know when any one of those have been as dominant as Mayweather has for 19 years (or relatively comparable times), whilst retaining a perfect undefeated record, raking up hundreds of millions, winning multiple titles and all the while making elite peers look amateurish by comparison.
Hamilton (F1) will probably be up there sadly.
The Incarnation
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May have forgotten about his fights, but he sure hasn't forgotten about him.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yeah but look who Roy beat to get that HW title. Ruiz was a joke and the HW division was incredibly weak. Toney beat the hell out of Ruiz with a beer gut.
I think RJJ was a far more entertaining boxer and so were many other but Floyd was better. RJJ fell of spectacularly and it was hard to watch after a while.
DanteGhost
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Salty much? In one of the examples I gave I mentioned Messi. Google him up. Dominant for almost a decade, raking up millions, winning multiple titles and making peers look amateurish. And he actually played against the best every year for the past decade unlike mayweather. And he still only 28.
If you don't know about other sports why mention them on a boxing thread? Goddam.
bengraven
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_illmatic_
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Exactly, all those amazing fighters he beat in such a "boring" manner, because he made them look that way. That's the thing that makes him an all time great. Doesn't matter who he's in the ring with, he's gonna make it look like amateur night at the Apollo.
Hands of Stone
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Toney was busted for steroids after the fightso it definitely takes shine from his win. Having a titanium jaw doesn't hurt either. Jones had neither when he won and he did it quite a bit more convincingly. Also, notice I said he got a title, not the actual HW crown. The last man who had done prior to him was Fitzsimmons in the early 1900's.
RJJ resume is more impressive and he looked better prime for prime. I can't see how you can rate him higher tbh.
What a garbage tier post.
The fuck would I be salty over, the fact you're painfully ignorant and oblivious to that fact?
Messi is not comparable. He is nowhere near as dominant in football as Mayweather is in boxing. Hell, his status as the best is tenuous at best.
_illmatic_
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So you're telling me that Barcelona and Argentina have been undefeated since Messi joined the team? Goddamn....smh
DanteGhost
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Garbage to prove you wrong right? Lets try a few more, Scumacher, Federer, or hell even Micahel Jordan. And yet is a tier garbage post when you start mentioning other sports without having any knowledge about them. Because clearly they are similar to boxing. Calling me ignorant you buffoon.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I dunno man. I like RJJ a lot and he was amazing to watch in his prime. I just don't see how you have him higher than a guy who went 49-0 considering how many times he got put to sleep.
Opinions I guess but I don't have him anywhere near Floyd.
Ninja Scooter
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Comparing the the level of "dominance" of two people in two completely different sports, especially when one is a team sport and the other is individual) seems silly. There is no right answer to the question of who between Floyd or Messi is more dominant.
DanteGhost
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Because clearly in soccer a team can be undefeated since it is a 1 vs 1 sport right.
He compared Mayweather to any other athletes, which he clearly has zero knowledge about. IN A BOXING THREAD.
Ones a team game the other isn't. So you can't compare.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Man, some of the folks here on GAF really have razor sharp wits. Kudos.
Is this some attempt at trolling or is this a genuine response? Serious question, because clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
None of those guys were ever as dominant for as long or as absolute as Mayweather. Even when you take into account career spans in their respective sports and control for other variables such as time, age and competition - Mayweather still comes out on top.
The man has been undefeated since he got into the game 19 years ago and hasn't had a true rival that was on his level for the entirety of his career, despite having faced pretty much all of the big names there are to face.
Right, I'm done with you. Off you go.
Hands of Stone
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He didn't start losing till he (foolishly) jumped straight from HW back down to 175 in one fight. Before that he was as dominating as Floyd was but proved it against ATG competition. Floyd best wins are a faded DLH, Castillo (B tier), Corrales (B-), Canelo (B-) and faded Pac. Prime Toney and (close to prime) Hopkins, along with McCallum, Griffin, Ruiz, Hill, and Tarver.
Floyd faced the same problems GGG is facing now, in that the people in his weight class are good, maybe even pretty good but no where near great. Floyd in the 90's would have been interesting, 80's in even more so.
Messi is 🤓, Tiger, Bolt. When you have such a talent and keep proving yourself at the best scenarios year after year you become bigger than your sport/discipline IMO.
People who may know nothing about your sport can still admire and be amazed by your talent, about the stories told after your victories.
_illmatic_
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So why bring him up as the same level of dominace in his respective sport vs what Mayweather has done in boxing for over a decade. Clearly it isn't the same thing.
Jest Chillin
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I don't get all the talk of jealousy. This, to me, is much more clearly a case of Oscar finally just expressing himself. And he's not wrong. Oscar even gave him his due, calling Mayweather the best defensive boxer of our generation. What he's criticizing is approaching the sport like a business rather than a competition.
Obviously Floyd made a lot of money (which had a hell of a lot more to do with his business moves than his talent) and Floyd taking relatively little damage over his career is smarter for his health and the longevity of his career. But Oscar is speaking to nature of competitors who actually strive to be the best... something that doesn't seem to happen all that much anymore.
That doesn't come across as jealousy to me. It comes off as Oscar not liking Floyd's approach to the sport in addition to obviously not liking Floyd as a person. And that seems to be a pretty common feeling in the sport. Nobody in the sport that Floyd isn't paying/feeding/clothing seems to get along with the dude in the slightest.
Obviously Floyd made a lot of money (which had a hell of a lot more to do with his business moves than his talent) and Floyd taking relatively little damage over his career is smarter for his health and the longevity of his career. But Oscar is speaking to nature of competitors who actually strive to be the best... something that doesn't seem to happen all that much anymore.
That doesn't come across as jealousy to me. It comes off as Oscar not liking Floyd's approach to the sport in addition to obviously not liking Floyd as a person. And that seems to be a pretty common feeling in the sport. Nobody in the sport that Floyd isn't paying/feeding/clothing seems to get along with the dude in the slightest.
Rastafarian42
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Oscar still salty after the L Mayweather gave him.
DanteGhost
Member
Well Frog-fru wrote the following," Hell, to my knowledge there ain't even been an athlete in any sport as dominant as Mayweather."
Fuckin really? Any sport? Why even mention other sports on a boxing thread? You better back up that shit with facts.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
You're really stretching the definition of all time great with John Ruiz and Antonio Tarver.
Trust me, I'm an RJJ fan. I have never been more hyped for a fight than I was for Toney- RJJ. Both seemed unbeatable at the time, and Floyd never had a fight against an opponent in his prime like that. That mid 90s era was a golden age of middleweights and super middleweights.
Personally I don't hold it against Floyd that there wasn't talent like that in his division during his run. Also don't hold it against him that he didn't jump around weight classes because that's fucked up many careers.
He didn't duck anybody and dominated the sport for almost 20 years. I think it's hard for some people to seperate his career from his antics outside the ring but to me he had a way better career than RJJ and anybody else from that era really.
Marky Mark
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It's a shame he will never know of your support.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I look forward to reading Johny Hendricks letter to GSP in five years time.
Your Entertainer
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I'm Floyd fan but,
Tiger
Gretzky
Jordan
Tiger is arguably GOAT in his sport, and is unquestionably the most dominant in his sport ever in his peak, richest most powerful athlete in world for a long time, changed his sport forever (focus on fitness, more viewers, money)
Syphon Filter
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He is mad that he lost to him still i see. To me floyd is fun to watch, i dont want guys just punching and getting hit like idiots. Accept it that he is the greatest of this generation.
BadAss2961
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Canelo's already ducking last I heard. Said he's moving down and GGG would have to meet him there.
That's who he should be fighting.
bishopcruz
Member
Tiger is a good comparison, I would say, but he has floundered somewhat (when compared to his prime). Mayweather went out of the game as the undisputed #1 so I'd still give him the edge.
Team sports are harder to gauge, but as individual athlethes, while I can't really comment on Gretzky as I know little about hockey, Jordan certainly measures in terms of what he did to elevate his sport and accruing wealth - though not so much in terms of dominance on the court as a player, even when accounting for his team.
Hands of Stone
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Three ATG's in McCallum, Hopkins, and Toney is nothing to sneeze at. Most fighters are lucky when they can face against 1, and Jones didn't just win he made them look ordinary.
I'd rank Griffin and Hill as his next big wins, with Ruiz coming right behind them. Grinding out a tough win against a prime Tarver was also a hell of a thing to do, considering he never really was at that level ever again. I wouldn't consider them to be ATG's at all but more in line with Floyds own resume of good but nothing more caliber of fighters. And even then only a prime Castillo comes close to reaching their level, just goes to show RJJ 2nd tier of wins can look even better than Floyds best.
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