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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload

Sophia

Member
To be honest, I'm still not sure where to place my vote. Mazre's in the lead, but it feels like an easy lynch that can't be scum. : \

Hey Verelios, you there?
 

nin1000

Banned
What if we did hit a doc claim?

nin you seem to lean to moving onwards, but if we hit a doc, switch to a new target and he claims cop for instance, and they are both telling the truth then we have given scum two targets?

Is that a better solution than just lynching a doc in a game full of PRs?

Tough call. Of course my first reaction would be to hear the person out and him/her speak up about the role and give us more infos before lifting the vote.
Thats the thing though. it will be a tough call either way. Thats why i liked this post of yours.

The way you deal with any claim at that point, given the evidence, make a decision if you trust the claim or not.
 
What if we did hit a doc claim?

nin you seem to lean to moving onwards, but if we hit a doc, switch to a new target and he claims cop for instance, and they are both telling the truth then we have given scum two targets?

Is that a better solution than just lynching a doc in a game full of PRs?
I think we might need to cross that bridge when we get there
I'd be ok with lynching someone who claims doc
 

franconp

Member
1. I agree with your first point but I think your method of doing so has been fairly weak and half-hearted.

2. It was mainly the jump from TheG to Stan that was surprising. Why not prod another inactive?

3. I'm fine if you think Stan is scum but your reasoning for lynching him seems to suggest you aren't and would rather sacrifice someone for the greater good. You really stuck on the peeking thing as though it was a very enlightening talk for you.

4. You don't need to get defensive. I was simply curious that you said you had to go and immediately popped back into the conversation when I posted my suspicions and tried to link a connection between Rage and me. Felt strange.

How do you feel about Sophia?

1- mostly because is still day one and because I wouldn't like to get a roleclaim out of fear.

2- I called out Barry, ezekel, nin and theg before going to bed yesterday. Barry, ezekel and nin gave some thoughts about the game. TheG didn't. He had nothing to work with but bad posted.

3. I'AM willing to make a sacrifice for the greater good in the first day. We have nothing to work with right now and we don't know if the kills will give us something. I think getting info on Stanley could give us some (if he is scum).

4- Not defensive, but I have been posting all morning so...

I liked Sophia post's the first day but she seems abscent lately. It doesn't mean anything, it maybe be only RL so I'm willing to wait for a bit to see if she could give some more thoughts. I would vote for her now.
 

cabot

Member
I liked Sophia post's the first day but she seems abscent lately. It doesn't mean anything, it maybe be only RL so I'm willing to wait for a bit to see if she could give some more thoughts. I would vote for her now.

as a prod or day end result?
 

Sophia

Member
Not saying I agree or disagree with your vote at the moment, just trying to get a frame of reference for your thoughts because you're a hard read for me.
 
A couple or hours before day's end. She is posting now but I would like if she didn't cast a vote before day's end.

The same can be said for all of you.

I'll vote when I feel like it mom!

why would we ruin our perfect system of screwing around until 30 minutes before deadline?
 
Why, exactly? Because of that wishful thinking post? Nothing has lodged your thoughts or made you change your read on him?
Yeah, that made absolutely no sense to me and still doesn't
Seems like a scum mispost and then tried to backtrack but couldn't without giving himself away
 

*Splinter

Member
VOTE: Xamtheking

Of the other candidates, I'm not feeling a Zeke, Bronx or Stan lynch.

I'm pretty much null on Mazre and AB, null enough to not be against lynching them. You could maybe add Barry to this as well.

Nin I was townreading earlier, but now I'm less sure.

Ty I haven't changed opinion on (still lean scum) but it's not strong enough for a D1 lynch. Also still uneasy about Burb although that's even weaker.

Ouro... I like his posts, but then I dont like his lynch targets. We were both on Ty for a bit, but Ouro seemed much more keen on actually lynching him. He's now on Verelios which I definitely disagree with.

I wrote most of this a couple of hours ago, now I see Fran becoming a potential lynch target? Not down with that at all, he's one of my clearest town reads. I think he's barking up the wrong tree with his "peeking is a grand scum conspiracy" stuff but it's an argument I've seen before, so not scummy. The rest of his stuff reads as town to me.
 

nin1000

Banned
i think what bothered some people about mazre was his "i think there is no cop" and his vanishing. But thats it. I dont know how anyone can claim him to be town or Scum at this moment.
 

*Splinter

Member
Why are you against a Verelios lynch?
Most of the suspicion I've seen has compared him to his previous game, but to me he seems the same here as he did then. Abrasive and sometimes sneaky, has his own opinions rather than trying to go along with the crowd.

After you first called him out I remember him asking someone else about you. That specifically gave me deja vu, he gets suspicious of people who accuse him, and asking someone else's opinion seems like a reasonable way of wondering "is it just me or is there something else here"
 

Sophia

Member
I wrote most of this a couple of hours ago, now I see Fran becoming a potential lynch target? Not down with that at all, he's one of my clearest town reads. I think he's barking up the wrong tree with his "peeking is a grand scum conspiracy" stuff but it's an argument I've seen before, so not scummy. The rest of his stuff reads as town to me.

Actually... I just looked at the votes on Fran and...

Hey Ezekel, the hell you trying to pull with the bait and switch here? Voting for two people in the same post? :p

I don't really see a lynch forming on him beyond that tho.
 

*Splinter

Member
I'm shocked there is a Mazre lynch. At all.

i think what bothered some people about mazre was his "i think there is no cop" and his vanishing. But thats it. I dont know how anyone can claim him to be town or Scum at this moment.
Yeah of these two opinions, I'm more inclined to agree with nin. Mazre is null to me, but for inactivity alone I'm not surprised to see him gaining votes.
 

Mazre

Member
At lunch so fast post. Think the end of day 1 rush may be instructive, will try to take a break close to day end but I can't heavily participate through the rest of the phase.
 

cabot

Member
Would it be a good idea to do a no lynch today? We're all power roles, so if we take out town accidentally with our lynch that's a possibly two town roles gone by Day 2. Well, more or less than two, depending on if there's a Vig/Sk/really lucky Doctor

Read this to yourself again Ynnek.

The only difference here is that there are no ordinaries, which means PRs are weakened in their stature because there are so many of them. So then move onto what you describe. Possibly two town dead, maybe more than that on Day 2 start.


You could sub any game of Mafia in there aside from pure vanilla ones, it's not a unique situation. You shouldn't be afraid of hitting a power role in a game that is all power roles.

VOTE: Ynnek7

My lynch list is still pretty large, you'll do for now.


Still hoping WAMD checks in before day end though.
 

Sophia

Member
Well not just votes but the direction of the conversation. Fran is getting mentions, most of them negative.

Hmm.... can't say I see it? Except for Ezekel. Mind pointing some examples out?

One thing that bothers me about Ezekel is how quickly he went from this

Bur/Vere/Ty/Fran/Cab/Sophia/Drag/Melon/BL - Seems to be normal posting.

To voting for him.

That was only a timeframe of like six hours at best. :\
 

Sorian

Banned
Vote Count:

Mazre (3)
Xamtheking
Bronx-Man
Haly
StanleyPalmetree

EzekelRAGE (2)
Barrylocke
Ouro

Barrylocke (1)
Ouro
Ty4on

melonrabbit (1)
Mazre

AbsolutBro (1)
Burbeting
EzekelRAGE

StanleyPalmtree (1)
franconp

franconp (1)
EzekelRAGE

Xamtheking (1)
*Splinter

Ynnek7 (1)
cabot
cabot

WhereAreMahDragonz (0)
cabot

Ty4on (0)
Mazre
*Splinter
Ouro

Verelios (0)
Ouro
cabot
Ouro

Kyanrute (0)
Burbeting

*Splinter (0)
nin1000

nin1000 (0)
Haly
melonrabbit

Haly (0)
Ty4on
cabot

Kingkitty (0)
cabot
franconp

12 votes needed for majority
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Reread, but honestly not sure how much good it did. I'm getting lost in the "peek vs no peek" and "claim vs no claim" posts and missing the conversation links between posters. I've tried a couple times to get a reads list going but it just won't coalesce in my brain. So I'm going to ramble a bit more.


I probably would have drifted towards a TheGoddamn vote, but with him bowing out that doesn't really hold shape anymore. EzekelRage still trying to build a working peek strategy just feels off though.


Ouro and Cabot are discussion leaders, and while it wouldn't be a first for scum to take discussion leads, I do not really get a scum vibe from either of them just yet. Ty4on is up there as well I suppose, but I honestly blur his and melonrabbit's posts together because for whatever reason their avatars blur together for me. It's weird. Honestly not sure which is pulling the other down.

I got Sophia as my role in Gafia 2, but I do not believe we have ever actually played a game together. Leaning town at this point; scanning over her posts I like her drive to lynch for "scum" not "not-town". If that makes sense.

Mazre is a tough one for me, since I think I'm still being negatively biased against his posts from DR. :p I actually do agree that we probably lack a cop. I have no real evidence for my agreement, but my gut says that with this many roles in play a cop would be "too normal".

Separately, I also don't think we have a regular motion detector, since with everyone having a role "so and so moved" is close to meaningless. A tracker (so and so targeted so and so) makes more sense if that kind of role is in play.

WAMD started off feeling sketchy to me. Early posts are kind of empty (Hi pot, I'm kettle, nice to meet you!). That said, she was against both the peek and the mass claim, so there's that I guess.

Stanley is, sadly, no longer a rootinest tootinest crazy old man persona. Also, even one of his more recent posts wants to dredge peeking back up, which I do not see a reason for. (the dredge, not the strat. well, not the strat either) Not great feelings here.

Barry is Barry.

*Splinter I struggle with also, because DR is the standout game we both played and I try not to judge off DR. It was a fun game, but man. That said scanning over a search of his posts doesn't give me much either way. A couple are pretty on point (noticing Ouro's Tracer/Tracker post, which generated basically 0 discussion otherwise), while other seem to basically ride cabot's posttails. I realize he and cabot have a history though, so I try to ignore those.

going to post and take a break. my eyes are starting to hurt. just in case:

vote: EzekelRAGE

I have said several times that I suspect a scum players to be hiding in the peek or mass claim defenders. Peek being the more likely for reasons I said elsewhere, that's what I looked at. That's where my vote goes for now.

I need some aspirin.
 

*Splinter

Member
@Sophia

There was melon as well:
Fran or Bronx.

Though EzekelRAGE is kinda quick to throw himself to the wolves. I appreciate the JQ reference tho!

This conversation went for a bit, with Zeke's vote somewhere in the middle.

Ty4on also asked (someone) about Fran which isn't explicitly negative but definitely keeps him in the conversation.

It's just a possibility, with so many people on 1 vote it doesn't take much for anyone to become a lynch candidate.
 

Sophia

Member
I'm not going through this again. Scroll back.

Allow me to assist you, because I was already checking your posts.

Zeke, to me, tends to shine more mid-to-late game. If he's still around later and is town, he should help out a bit.

I would like to hear more from our quiet players:

TheGoddamn
nin1000
Haly
cabot
EzekelRAGE
WAMD
Splinter
Ynnek7
Barrylocke

(yes I know some are in sleepy-time time zones right now)

So, Haly/Zeke, you just decided to come running after I asked for your input?

After reading a bit more, I think I'll take Xam off the list for now. He really hasn't been all that different now that I read back over our other games together. I'll keep an eye on him, but I don't think I need to worry about him now.

Gonna swap him with EzekelRAGE for now. Even though I consider a bit of a "late bloomer," he has really only chimed in during the peeking discussion and nothing more, which seems out of sorts for me. Something is up.

So my list is now:
Ty4on
Barrylocke
Verelios
Burbeting
EzekelRAGE

Of those, I'd like to see Ty4on go first. I'm gonna read over Burb's posts again now, but the other 3 I'm pretty sure of.

I'll answer this one at least. I like Day 1. Seemingly Inconsequential banter and how people react to things are actually decent indicators of alignment, IMO.
Barry has been pretty much non-existent this game, and even his "peeking" summary is something I tried to pull in Heist to seem more contributive than I actually was being. Obviously that just happened, but before that post it just felt like something was off.
I explained Verelios earlier. Fluff and jumping on my clarification. Low-hanging fruit.
Ty I explained too. Entirely too agreeable and seems to discuss very safe topics.
Burb I have my eye on, cause I know others don't agree, but he seems a bit more aggressive than usual.
Zeke is my newest suspect, giving the same old D1 excuse everyone gives, and I'm confident if he was Town he'd be trying a bit harder.

I think I got everything, but I'm not... quote convinced? Just the way it flows from Ezekel being a "late bloomer if he's town" to suddenly voting for him doesn't sit right with me, Ouro. :\

You also have fairly few posts on him too...
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Allow me to assist you, because I was already checking your posts.

I think I got everything, but I'm not... quote convinced? Just the way it flows from Ezekel being a "late bloomer if he's town" to suddenly voting for him doesn't sit right with me, Ouro. :

You also have fairly few posts on him too...
Understandable. He's probably tied with Burb as my "least likely to be scum" out of that list. I've said that I'd rather go for Verelios or Ty, but if that's not going to happen today I'll move down the list.
 
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