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[Mazre]

The best thing about Night 2's revelations?

No cop dream is still alive.

Crazy play Ouro, especially that WM double-down. Guessing he didn't think he could sell Torb as a cop and was just hoping that WM was a scum role.

 

[Bronx-Man]

You still really believe there's no cop in a Role Madness game. Huh.

 

[AbsolutBro]

AbsolutBro:
This vote was made during the initial rush to vote on Verelios, when it didn't seem that Ouro train would catch on.

This vote was made to remove the Verelios vote little away from the turbo, it seems. It was also made after Splinter took his stance, and the Ouro v Zeke narrative was forming. No other vote on Ouro at that point though, outside Zeke and Splinter.

This vote was the hammer. At this point it seemed pretty likely that the Ouro vote wouldn't catch fire.

Simply judging from voting pattern, these vote-posts seem pretty short, and not much justification is given to them. So it does bother me, feels little like opportunistic scum while not really committing in order to evade heat. However, I have been tunneling on AB this game, so I have to look deeper on this.

My thing with AB is how...passive he is in these posts. He was so feisty on day one when he took a lot of heat, but on day two he let everyone else duke it out, barely contributed, and only voted Verelios when his lynch was all but assured.

Wasn't AB one of the bigger vote targets on D1? If he stopped posting as much on D2, it could've been to take the heat off himself while we were all focused on the V/Ouro/Zeke saga.

That's what I'm saying

Well then.

AbsolutBro,

I started responding to stuff, then had to do an emergency fix at the barn. One of the sheep was chewing on an electrical wire. (She's fine.)

You have every single reason to be suspicious of me. I also hate to use real life problems to justify my absence in game, but I really did not get much desk time over the weekend. Really, the timing of this game has been unfortunate for me with night/day switches generally occurring when I am leaving the office. I swear I will try to be more useful though!

FWIW, yesterday's vote for me really came down to two issues:

1- Ouro's accusation vs. Vere's complete lack of defense
2- EzekelRage's WM claim vs. Ouro's WM claim

Now as I said earlier, I have been in situation 2 so I was willing to give EzekelRage some leeway on that. It is downright infuriating when you catch someone in a lie and everyone else immediately turns on you because, and I basically quote here "[person caught in a lie] would never be so dumb". Because that is twice now that the person being accused HAS been "that dumb".

Situation 1 was far more important of an issue, and honestly would be the one to give more information. The back and forth between Ouro and Vere was beyond heated and I really did not feel like stepping into the mix; it rarely works out well. So I read the ridiculous amounts of posts coming out and made my choice: hence my first vote on Vere. I unvoted after a single night's sleep netted three more pages, but when it came down to it I believed Ouro more than I believed Vere (especially with Vere being completely silent). Hence the hammer vote. I should have put all this into my hammer vote post, I admit.

With the information (read: flips) we now have, I unfortunately do not have much to add.

People question why Ezekel would have jumped to Vere's defense so readily, but I think it could have been a worthwhile gambit. After all, Zeke never really directly defended Vere, but cast doubt onto Ouro based on the WM thing. Granted, I think Ezekel's "every other night" extra NK was worth WAAAAAAAAY more than a one-time team BP, especially early game like this. Since from reading Ezekel's role PM, he didn't have to worry about a switcher making him shoot scum (he would simply "miss" and have to restart) he could basically shoot with impunity. Scum would be free to start up all kinds of "neutral SK" or other rumors and get us chasing shadows. (For the record, my guess is no neutrals, since it doesn't really fit the theme at all. I could easily be wrong though.)

I need to go do farm stuff and eat dinner and all that. If there's anything you still want to know, I will be back to answer.

 

[Mazre]

You still really believe there's no cop in a Role Madness game. Huh.

21 roles + a cop -> i.e. 21 non-cop roles; You are a scholar and a gentleman.
22 non-cop roles; BURN THE HERETIC!

Also since Zeke isn't here to do it anymore

 

[nin1000]

cabot is town, i checked him N1.

just fyi if that was not clear.

 

[AbsolutBro]

I should have refreshed

The best thing about Night 2's revelations?

No cop dream is still alive.

You still really believe there's no cop in a Role Madness game. Huh.

I think Nin said he had a one-shot cop power, which he used on cabot. It's not "no cop", but at the same time I can see that and other powers being "pseudo cop", eliminating the need for a full time cop entirely.

 

[Burbeting]

That's right, Stanley never commited to any any vote yesterday.

 

[Haly]

I can see a name cop instead of an alignment cop. It'd add an interesting dimension without overpowering what is an entirely powered town.

 

[franconp]

I'm back and it's time for another: CRAZY CONSPIRACY THEORIES TIME!!!!!!

I want you all to remember how things went the first day. I made the first of my crazy theories and said that the peeking thing was an agenda made by mafia trying to find a cop and make the game more complex. After saying that I made a vote against Stanley for some very bad post that he did. His defense was practically really weak, but who overreacted? Ezekel.

I asked Eze some questions about the peeking agenda and he reacted like I had just run over his dog. It was really rare at the time and I changed my vote for him the first day. And you know what? I was right. Eze was scum. Soooo, maybe I'm not too crazy and the peeking conspiracy can be real.

But this is too weak of a theories so why don't I give more arguments. First is Roleclaim time: I'm Symmetra and I'm the switcher. I said something about my role the last day, when I talked about a strong man. My role PM said that I can switch 2 targets except when something strong target them.

Why is my role relevant? Because I thought that maybe I was right the first day and proceed to switch myself with someone else to stay safe, and because I like to be agressive I switched with someone who I thought it was scum. I didn't think much from it until I saw Vere's role. Maybe, and just maybe, I was targeted the first day because I was close to the truth and they decided to kill me but because I switched myself the NK would target the scum. If Vere used his role the first night the bulletproof would prevent the NK on his partner and that's why there was no first night kill. Ezekel flipping scum just help reinforce the idea that peeking was a scum agenda.

So who did I switched myself the first day? Stanley. It all began when I targeted Stanley the first day and I made the crazy relation between scum and peeking agenda. I said Stanley, Eze and Melon are scum. We are sure about 1 and I think I'm right about the others. Also Stanley didn't vote yesterday and tried to remain low for the rest of the day.

So:

VOTE: StanleyPalmtree [/QUOTE]

 

[Burbeting]

Why did Zeke protect Verelios, if he would have used his power on N1...?

 

[Burbeting]

Also, did you try to switch Ouro last night?

 

[*Splinter]

Why did Zeke protect Verelios, if he would have used his power on N1...?

I was thinking about this because it bothered me - Verelios' role wasn't that powerful even if he didn't use it N1.

If Zeke didn't counterclaim Ouro's fake claim, then that would make Widowmaker almost confirmed as a scum hero, exposing Zeke to a late game mass claim. So he was forced to claim.

Apart from that, I think I need to restart on this game. 2 of my town reads flipped scum already, and all of yesterday was a deep dark tunnel.

 

[franconp]

Why did Zeke protect Verelios, if he would have used his power on N1...?

Did really Zeke protected Vere? I think Zeke just called Ouro's lie. Ouro was lying when he said he was the WM and Eze was really it. So if he could call Ouro's lie we would see that he really wasn't WM and he would be safe (safe as not on the chopping block and not safe as surely town). Also if we lynched Ouro we would have see that he also wasn't a cop so Vere would be safe (as safe as Eze). Ouro was just extremely lucky and If I didn't live across the world from him I would take him to a casino right now.

 

[franconp]

Also, did you try to switch Ouro last night?

I switched with Barry. I didn't wanted to touch either Ouro or Eze last night as it could be game over for me. And I also wanted to protect myself because the strong talk. Maybe mafia would think I'm the doctor and target again.

 

[Burbeting]

I was thinking about this because it bothered me - Verelios' role wasn't that powerful even if he didn't use it N1.

If Zeke didn't counterclaim Ouro's fake claim, then that would make Widowmaker almost confirmed as a scum hero, exposing Zeke to a late game mass claim. So he was forced to claim.

Did really Zeke protected Vere? I think Zeke just called Ouro's lie. Ouro was lying when he said he was the WM and Eze was really it. So if he could call Ouro's lie we would see that he really wasn't WM and he would be safe (safe as not on the chopping block and not safe as surely town). Also if we lynched Ouro we would have see that he also wasn't a cop so Vere would be safe (as safe as Eze). Ouro was just extremely lucky and If I didn't live across the world from him I would take him to a casino right now.

I can see this be true, yeah. It would have made sense for Zeke to be silent instead of defending verelios at any case, since his power would have given scum more night kills in the long run.

 

[Burbeting]

I switched with Barry. I didn't wanted to touch either Ouro or Eze last night as it could be game over for me. And I also wanted to protect myself because the strong talk. Maybe mafia would think I'm the doctor and target again.

It was pretty clear Ouro would be targeted by the scum after Verelios flipped, though. You might had saved Ouro, or at least confirmed that there is a strongman on the scum side.

 

[franconp]

It was pretty clear Ouro would be targeted by the scum after Verelios flipped, though. You might had saved Ouro, or at least confirmed that there is a strongman on the scum side.

But the thing is that I still didn't believed Ouro. I really thought that he was Tracer and a neutral lyncher who got lucky with Vere. His post had more holes than a Gruyere cheese. I was only half right.

 

[Ty4on]

I switched with Barry. I didn't wanted to touch either Ouro or Eze last night as it could be game over for me. And I also wanted to protect myself because the strong talk. Maybe mafia would think I'm the doctor and target again.

Why did you switch yourself on D1 and D2?

 

[franconp]

But the thing is that I still didn't believed Ouro. I really thought that he was Tracer and a neutral lyncher who got lucky with Vere. His post had more holes than a Gruyere cheese. I was only half right.

Also I thought that there would be a medic, that scum wouldn't target him being afraid of someone preventing another NK. There were a lot of possible ways to Ouro to stay alive. But I made a gameplay call that could made me seem like a medic and I wanted to protect myself. If Barry would have died this night phase I would know for certain that I was a target and I would be certain that Stanley is scum. So there were a lot of reasons to not target Ouro.

 

[Burbeting]

But the thing is that I still didn't believed Ouro. I really thought that he was Tracer and a neutral lyncher who got lucky with Vere. His post had more holes than a Gruyere cheese. I was only half right.

Okay. That seems consistent enough with how you have posted earlier.

I doubt that the N1 went how you think it did, though. You didn't seem to be too town-read, nor were you a conversation leader either. I will look deeper into Stanley, though. His non-committing nature in D2 strikes interesting.

 

[franconp]

Why did you switch yourself on D1 and D2?

First night because I had I hunch that I was right about the peeking agenda. Eze, melon and Stanley reactions were weird. So I protected myself while targeting one of them.

The second night because of this:

I will say something about this which I haven't said yet. I really think there is strongman because my role PM said that my power would not be useful against a strong player so the possibility of one being in this game is big. (I'm not a medic).

What I don't know is why it isn't any mention in Yneek PM, maybe he is not affected by this.

And all the reasons I said before.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

fran, you place an absurdly high value on your own survival in this game, to the point that i think it has made you kinda waste your role.

anyway, i didn't vote yesterday because i misjudged the time we had left, which mostly happened since i wasn't paying a whole of lot of attention since i would have voted for Vere, and he was well on his way to being lynched without my assistance.

as to just about just about everything else you have against me.

well, this is you right now.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

eh, survival is not quite right, more like your own importance? i guess?

also drunk posting is trying to remain low?

 

[Sophia]

Can you explain it to me like I'm five, Fran? I'm not seeing the connection between your switcher power and Stanley being scum. Especially when you don't even know yourself if you were targeted the first day.

cabot is town, i checked him N1.

just fyi if that was not clear.

Dully noted, thank you.

 

[nin1000]

I will protect cabot Tonight since I know he is Town and I want him to survive another day.

 

[franconp]

Can you explain it to me like I'm five, Fran? I'm not seeing the connection between your switcher power and Stanley being scum. Especially when you don't even know yourself if you were targeted the first day.



Dully noted, thank you.

Short version:
-I pissed scum off.
-I switched myself with Stanley who I think is mafia.
-Vere used his power so mafia is inmune to NK.
-Mafia targets me which means they target Stanley who has a bulletproff.
-No kills the first night.

 

[Barrylocke]

Also I thought that there would be a medic, that scum wouldn't target him being afraid of someone preventing another NK. There were a lot of possible ways to Ouro to stay alive. But I made a gameplay call that could made me seem like a medic and I wanted to protect myself. If Barry would have died this night phase I would know for certain that I was a target and I would be certain that Stanley is scum. So there were a lot of reasons to not target Ouro.

Any reason you chose me over, say, WhereAreMahDragonz?

Going try to get some rest so unless I insomnia hard I'll be gone for about 4 or 5 hours.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Can you explain it to me like I'm five, Fran? I'm not seeing the connection between your switcher power and Stanley being scum. Especially when you don't even know yourself if you were targeted the first day.



Dully noted, thank you.

yeah dont worry, i had to read it like 4 times to get it myself.

he is certain that he hit gold with his "peeking enthusiasts are totally scum" theory, such a mother load that surely scum felt the need to kill him night one,

but fran is too smart for that, the willy sob switch'd himself and yours truely, meaning the scum kill would be aimed at me, ruh roh.

but the ole scum team lucked out, with vere using his power to make me (and the rest of scum, but im the star of this lil number) bullet proof, luckily saving my life.

and he is sure this happened.

*this is what francorp actually believes*

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

I will protect cabot Tonight since I know he is Town and I want him to survive another day.

soooo, no one is talking about this, but this is you pretty much claiming to be a JOAT right?


brilliant video btw, had a jolly good laugh.

 

[franconp]

Any reason you chose me over, say, WhereAreMahDragonz?

Going try to get some rest so unless I insomnia hard I'll be gone for about 4 or 5 hours.

Not really. I don't have you in my "may be town" list. And I didn't recalled much about what you had said during the day phase so I thought you wouldn't be a target.

 

[franconp]

yeah dont worry, i had to read it like 4 times to get it myself.

he is certain that he hit gold with his "peeking enthusiasts are totally scum" theory, such a mother load that surely scum felt the need to kill him night one,

but fran is too smart for that, the willy sob switch'd himself and yours truely, meaning the scum kill would be aimed at me, ruh roh.

but the ole scum team lucked out, with vere using his power to make me (and the rest of scum, but im the star of this lil number) bullet proof, luckily saving my life.

and he is sure this happened.

*this is what francorp actually believes*

Well I was right about Eze so.......

 

[Sophia]

Short version:
-I pissed scum off.
-I switched myself with Stanley who I think is mafia.
-Vere used his power so mafia is inmune to NK.
-Mafia targets me which means they target Stanley who has a bulletproff.
-No kills the first night.

Hmm... I mean, it's possible? There's a few holes tho, mainly we don't know who mafia actually targeted, and we don't know if Vere used his power.

I can't see how you came to the conclusion Stanley is scum with those two missing details at least. I will however go re-over Ezekel's posts.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Vote: Cherry Bomb

Cherry, I'd like to know why you didn't mention Verelios at all when you voted for Ouro.

 

[nin1000]

soooo, no one is talking about this, but this is you pretty much claiming to be a JOAT right?


brilliant video btw, had a jolly good laugh.

I claimed yesterday but no one gave a fuck since there was the velerious/ ouro thing going on. And since EzekelRAGE class to be joat I knew he was lying and I had to take him out.

I still have one power left which can heal someone from a night kill.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I claimed yesterday but no one gave a fuck since there was the velerious/ ouro thing going on. And since EzekelRAGE class to be joat I knew he was lying and I had to take him out.

I still have one power left which can heal someone from a night kill.

As in, you can resurrect someone completely?

 

[melonrabbit]

So I'm home now. Not sure where to begin resolving this mystery. What the hell happened N1? Did Ouro know for sure V was scum, if so did the real cop tell him? I realize Rage probably had to counter claim because if we choose to mass claim he'd be screwed not coming forward sooner, but still wondering how Ouro got both.

I don't understand Fran's switch explanation.

I'm not sure I see the Cherry Bomb argument yet.

And Nin's video made my shit day better. <3.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Well I was right about Eze so.......

not really,
i mean you were right in your suspicion of him being scum, props for that i guess. but it does very little to prove your whole peeking conspiracy, which is what this is really riding on.

speaking of the conspiracy, did you ever have a reason for why scum would want to push for it?

 

[Bronx-Man]

So I'm home now. Not sure where to begin resolving this mystery. What the hell happened N1? Did Ouro know for sure V was scum, if so did the real cop tell him? I realize Rage probably had to counter claim because if we choose to mass claim he'd be screwed not coming forward sooner, but still wondering how Ouro got both.

I don't understand Fran's switch explanation.

I'm not sure I see the Cherry Bomb argument yet.

And Nin's video made my shit day better. <3.

Ouro knew Zeke was scum because he faked-claimed Widowmaker to draw out the real one, Zeke fell for it easily. As for V, I'm guessing he just made a lucky guess after reading Vere on D1.

 

[melonrabbit]

Ty, I'm sorry I didn't respond to this sooner. I was literally catching up on the thread when the hammer happened.

Why do you scum read me? IIRC you had a light town read on me D1.

I do scum read you. My light town read of you fell apart towards the end of day and throughout D2 you felt off to me.

I know Splinter is also on people's radars but he's arguments for shifting to Ouro vs Rage are solid and I can see his frustration that we need really moved behind Ouro vs V. I'm not saying he isn't scum, but his POV the scenario where both were scum didn't see probable.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

I claimed yesterday but no one gave a fuck since there was the velerious/ ouro thing going on. And since EzekelRAGE class to be joat I knew he was lying and I had to take him out.

I still have one power left which can heal someone from a night kill.

oh you totally did, sorry for not noticing, i was a little...out of sorts at the time.

 

[franconp]

Ouro knew Zeke was scum because he faked-claimed Widowmaker to draw out the real one, Zeke fell for it easily. As for V, I'm guessing he just made a lucky guess after reading Vere on D1.

Ouro didn't knew Zeke was scum. How would Ouro know that WM is scum if the roles and the aligments are random? Ouro is just lucky.

 

[melonrabbit]

Ouro knew Zeke was scum because he faked-claimed Widowmaker to draw out the real one, Zeke fell for it easily. As for V, I'm guessing he just made a lucky guess after reading Vere on D1.

But how did he know WM was a scum role?

 

[franconp]

not really,
i mean you were right in your suspicion of him being scum, props for that i guess. but it does very little to prove your whole peeking conspiracy, which is what this is really riding on.

speaking of the conspiracy, did you ever have a reason for why scum would want to push for it?

I want you to reread the final moments of day one (and everyone else). Eze got really jumpy after I made him 2 little questions about him pushing the peeking matter again. He went completly mad and several people found it strange. And he was mafia.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Ouro didn't knew Zeke was scum. How would Ouro know that WM is scum if the roles and the aligments are random? Ouro is just lucky.

The alignments are random, but the powers aren't. Widowmaker's role would have to be related to her sniping ability in-game and town usually doesn't have snipers on their side. Ergo, it would've been pretty logical to guess the real Widowmaker was scum or neutral.

 

[Haly]

I think it was a lucky guess, honestly. It was really just a reckless move that managed to pay off beyond anyone's expectations.

I've never heard of a telepathic cop before. Do people really think Ouro might've been given Verelios' alignment, rather than guessing well twice in a row?

 

[melonrabbit]

Ouro didn't knew Zeke was scum. How would Ouro know that WM is scum if the roles and the aligments are random? Ouro is just lucky.

I don't know.

What Ouro knew:
- He wasn't WM
- WM was either town or scum or other

His gambit on V, I understand. But I don't get why he would take the chance of fake claiming a townie's character and putting them in a situation where they would have to counter. Yes, he is very lucky Rage was not town. But I wonder if it isn't more than that.

 

[franconp]

The alignments are random, but the powers aren't. Widowmaker's role would have to be related to her sniping ability in-game and town usually doesn't have snipers on their side. Ergo, it would've been pretty logical to guess the real Widowmaker was scum or neutral.

I'm not at all alright with this. We know there is (or was) a sniper in town as someone had to kill Eze last night (the mafia killing Eze idea is really stupid, even more than mine). Also Vere's role gives you the certainty that there is a killer in the town side. If not why would he had his role?

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

The alignments are random, but the powers aren't. Widowmaker's role would have to be related to her sniping ability in-game and town usually doesn't have snipers on their side. Ergo, it would've been pretty logical to guess the real Widowmaker was scum or neutral.

dude,
we have been over this like 20 times now.

stop.


but if you need an actual reason, widow could have plenty of other types of role, poison mine, grapple hook, and the infra sight (y'know, the one ouro claimed) all give her plenty of possibilities beyond a sniper.

 

[Burbeting]

Here is my quick summary about StanleyPalmtree on day 1.

First two posts are irrelevant.

Day 1:

Beginnings:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219904046&postcount=247 Stanley is not interested in doing role/mechanic speculation due to game being role madness. This is fine.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219908303&postcount=303 He is 100% for peeking. Says it makes more sense in role madness.

The Peeking Discussion:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219909164&postcount=314 Explains what peeking means to Haly. Still positive about it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219909386&postcount=318 He counters my concerns about peeking. I wasn't convinced by this argument, since if scum is town read, gg.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219909515&postcount=320 Stanley responding to scum Verelios. Nothing super incriminating.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219909626&postcount=323 A bit dismissive response to my experiences about peeking.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219909944&postcount=330 Same dismissing reaction continues here, as we converse about the issue of peeking.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219910418&postcount=341 Our discussion ends with "okay it could kinda maybe happen".
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219910556&postcount=344 Calls out Mazre for him thinking there is no cop.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219911522&postcount=359 He realises some of the errors in peeking.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219911834&postcount=364 And yet returns here to defend peeking for life.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219911936&postcount=366 The implications here sound like "people against peeking are scummy!". He seems very buddy buddy with Melonrabbit here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219912935&postcount=375 Stanley is against mass hero claim here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219918680&postcount=403
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219919625&postcount=408
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219919712&postcount=409 No real comment on these three.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219920699&postcount=416 He notes here one of the many problems with peeking, yet still seems pro-peeking.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219926381&postcount=463 Filler

The Francop Debate:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219942149&postcount=535 Note that most people were against mass hero claims.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219942752&postcount=539 Continues to be against mass hero claims.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219943640&postcount=544 Response to fran calling him out. Stanley points out that it was melon who proposed peeking, not him. I will comment that Stanley was definitely much more loud about the peeking compared to melon, though.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219944786&postcount=549 This sounds a bit defensive response. I can see francop targeting Stanley for switching after this exchange.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219945239&postcount=551 Still being somewhat defensive here, shifting focus on melon.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220057694&postcount=803 (out of order post) Reaction to fran's vote.

Day End:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220057637&postcount=802 Guess what this is? It's Stanley's first post where he is actually scum-hunting, and not discussing peeking! Some light scum-reads, but nothing very committing (though this was day 1). Interesting thing to point out is that he has Verelios on the list, even in his top 2 vote candidates. He votes for Mazre though, Verelios has no votes at this point, Ouro only votes later. Still, Mazre vote feels pretty weakly justified. Mazre is the vote leader during the next vote count, with 3 votes.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220058534&postcount=805 Cabot calls out the vote. Note Stanley outright says "I get worse vibes from Vere, but won't vote for him anyway". Ehhh?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220060154&postcount=815 Light commentary with fran.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220062155&postcount=828 Final reminder about peeking.


In short, Stanley uses almost all of his D1 to discussing nothing but peeking. He is pro-peeking, and gets even into an argument with Francop about it. What bothers me is that Stanley spent almost no time scum-hunting. He had exactly one post dedicated to it, all of it filled with very light reads. Bothersome for sure.

Will do Day 2 before going to bed.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I'm not at all alright with this. We know there is (or was) a sniper in town as someone had to kill Eze last night (the mafia killing Eze idea is really stupid, even more than mine). Also Vere's role gives you the certainty that there is a killer in the town side. If not why would he had his role?

If there's a sniper on our side, it could be Hanzo or Ana. It could've also been a neutral that wanted to get rid of Eze at night.