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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload

Sophia

Member
*shrugs*

Dunno what to tell you Cabot. I assumed we had more time because the day was extended, but the vote was hammered 30 minutes before I woke up.

Ezekel is a hard read for me, and he fooled me good in Gods, so I wanted to play out as much as possible.
 
Burb, you read my mind about Cherry's vote
VOTE: Cherry Bomb
Time to raise my APM!
No, Haly, this is not a D.VA softclaim, that was an attempt at humor
 

cabot

Member
*shrugs*

Dunno what to tell you Cabot. I assumed we had more time because the day was extended, but the vote was hammered 30 minutes before I woke up.

Ezekel is a hard read for me, and he fooled me good in Gods, so I wanted to play out as much as possible.

Appreciate your honesty.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
Looking at Burb's posts, the two likeliest scum in my mind are Splinter and Cherry. Both wanted desperately to protect Vere and wanted Zeke vs Ouro. This is only helps my theory that Zeke got sacrificed in N2.
 

*Splinter

Member
But I will say scum would have loved to make yesterday a Ouro v Zeke battle, and I don't doubt they tried to spin it that way.
I disagree. Verelios had been caught by a cop, his lynch could be delayed by a day or two at most. Zeke on the other hand had only claimed the truth and would have been fine once Ouro retracted his WM claim.

I think the remaining scum were entirely on board with Verelios' lynch.
 

Burbeting

Banned
I disagree. Verelios had been caught by a cop, his lynch could be delayed by a day or two at most. Zeke on the other hand had only claimed the truth and would have been fine once Ouro retracted his WM claim.

I think the remaining scum were entirely on board with Verelios' lynch.

Scum would have loved to see Ouro flip. Him flipping other than Widowmaker would have made Zeke look innocent bystander who got caught in Ourobolus' fake claim. It wouldn't have saved Verelios in the long run, but it would have given him time to use his shield power on the next night.
 

Burbeting

Banned
I do agree there are scum on the Verelios' vote too, though. I'm mostly concerned with Bronx, AbsolutBro and Ty4on, out of that bunch. Looking into their votes next.
 
Honestly
If Verelios didn't act how he did
We'd probably have lynched a townie (Ouro) yesterday and probably wouldn't have killed scum last night
 

Burbeting

Banned
There might also be scum on the players who just stayed in the background as much as possible yesterday, while maybe trying to affect the narrative going on indirectly.
 
Looking at Burb's posts, the two likeliest scum in my mind are Splinter and Cherry. Both wanted desperately to protect Vere and wanted Zeke vs Ouro. This is only helps my theory that Zeke got sacrificed in N2.
There is no way scum team wastes their NK or a PR on a team member, rather than forcing us to lynch him. Not only does it waste a NK/PR, it allows us to possibly get scum today.

On train with spotty connection. Post more from home, probably later tonight.
 

cabot

Member
There might also be scum on the players who just stayed in the background as much as possible yesterday, while maybe trying to affect the narrative going on indirectly.

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I mean look at that, that's the most evil thing I've seen in the past twenty minutes.


I'm convinced.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Bronx, why would scum sacrifice one of their own in any possible scenario? Even if Zeke was a liability, they would have tried to keep him for D3 as a discussion focus point, away from the other scum.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Bronx-man:

You know what? I'll take your word for it.

VOTE: Verelios

I wanna just warn you right now though. If Vere is lynched and it turns out he's town, you are immediately on the top of my list of scum reads. And I assume a lot of other player's as well.

Note that Bronx did this vote before Ouro had claimed cop. Something about the tone of this post strikes me off, but I can't really pinpoint what it is. A scum deciding to jump on a bus early, perhaps? It doesn't help that Bronx then faded into obscurity, and only made few short posts here and there during D2. This bizarre "scum killed off Zeke" narrative does not help.
 

Ty4on

Member
RIP Ouro. You did a damn good job sir.

Also whoever sniped Widowmaker. That has to hurt scum team.
Damn. Yeah killing Ezekel not just removed a good scum role, but he might have been town read today after Ouro's flip.

Working overtime -_-
I'll have time soon to read.
 
Bronx-man:



Note that Bronx did this vote before Ouro had claimed cop. Something about the tone of this post strikes me off, but I can't really pinpoint what it is. A scum deciding to jump on a bus early, perhaps? It doesn't help that Bronx then faded into obscurity, and only made few short posts here and there during D2. This bizarre "scum killed off Zeke" narrative does not help.
Bronx can be dumb and still be town
Read: Gafia 2
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
Bronx-man:



Note that Bronx did this vote before Ouro had claimed cop. Something about the tone of this post strikes me off, but I can't really pinpoint what it is. A scum deciding to jump on a bus early, perhaps? It doesn't help that Bronx then faded into obscurity, and only made few short posts here and there during D2. This bizarre "scum killed off Zeke" narrative does not help.
So scum killing off Zeke is outlandish to you, but scum wanting to bus one of their own does?
 

Burbeting

Banned
AbsolutBro:

welp, we'll get scum either today or tomorrow I guess.

Unless ouro is a lyncher and verelios is his target, but I find that kind of unlikely?

vote: Verelios

This vote was made during the initial rush to vote on Verelios, when it didn't seem that Ouro train would catch on.

unvote
you guys added three freakin pages while I was asleep. I need time to read them, and caffeine before that. my brain isn't awake yet.

wth people

This vote was made to remove the Verelios vote little away from the turbo, it seems. It was also made after Splinter took his stance, and the Ouro v Zeke narrative was forming. No other vote on Ouro at that point though, outside Zeke and Splinter.

I genuinely think it's better we put this to rest.

Vote: Verelios

This vote was the hammer. At this point it seemed pretty likely that the Ouro vote wouldn't catch fire.

Simply judging from voting pattern, these vote-posts seem pretty short, and not much justification is given to them. So it does bother me, feels little like opportunistic scum while not really committing in order to evade heat. However, I have been tunneling on AB this game, so I have to look deeper on this.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
Bussing fellow scum can help build town cred
Good point. But I explained my reason for voting Vere quite easily. He was already #1 on my scum list for D2, and Ouro's argument for lynching him was convincing. The fact that he specifically said he was willing to get lynched on D3 if he was wrong helped prove in my eyes that he knew Vere was scum.
 
Good point. But I explained my reason for voting Vere quite easily. He was already #1 on my scum list for D2, and Ouro's argument for lynching him was convincing. The fact that he specifically said he was willing to get lynched on D3 if he was wrong helped prove in my eyes that he knew Vere was scum.
Right
I don't think you're scum
I just think you drank way too much coffee this morning
 

Sophia

Member
Rereading through Haly's posts and...

I'm drunk with power and want to force a mass role name claim to get everyone to shit their pants.

Mercy is obviously doctor.
Widowmaker would make for a nice curveball, you'd think she'd be scum but she could be a vigilante (sniper) or even a cop (wallhax ult).
Genji's power either has to do with his ult or his mobility. Ninja? Ascetic?

I haven't gone through the rest of the heroes yet but I can come up with probable roles for any of their kits really.

... not quite a scumtell on it's own, especially given Widow's role in game, but it does not inspire confidence that Haly correctly guessed what Widowmaker was.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
Rereading through Haly's posts and...



... not quite a scumtell on it's own, especially given Widow's role in game, but it does not inspire confidence that Haly correctly guessed what Widowmaker was.
It's not exactly a huge leap to think that the woman's who character is literally "evil sniper" may be in this game as an evil sniper.
 
I think at least one scum voted for ouro, but it seems hard to imagine (assuming 5 as the max) 3 scum, and even 2 out of 5 seems a bit of a stretch. I imagine at least one, maybe 2 others were with Verelios, and maybe an additional among the rest. (Stop staring at me Cabot)

Rereading through Haly's posts and...



... not quite a scumtell on it's own, especially given Widow's role in game, but it does not inspire confidence that Haly correctly guessed what Widowmaker was.
EzekelRAGE wasn't a vigilante though even if he did have a sniper. He was a 2nd killer that had to charge for a night before kills.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Ty4on:

I didn't want to bring it so close to a turbo with people still talking. Now we're 4 away from a turbo \o/

VOTE: Verelios

Discussion hasn't really progressed that much it seems. I don't really see why we should be so wary of lynching Verelios. Lynching Ouro has a much bigger potential downside and Verelios is way scummier.

I.. sort of refuse to believe the widowmaker claim internally. Disney was brought up, but the silly thing there was scum not using one of their fake claims. In this game we have a 1-to-1 relationship between players and characters so any fake claim could be challenged. Ezekel counterclaiming someone else's role only makes sense if Verelios is some important scum role. Still doesn't make sense, but Verelios' flip helps us with that. For Ouro it'd sort of make sense as a neutral who somehow needs to know who the widowmaker, which... doesn't make sense because he seems much more focused on Verelios.

I'm too tired for this shit -_-
It could just be a weird gambit like ouro needing to keep his role secret. The biggest downside is Ouro as a lyncher and we're wasting our time with town/neutral Verelios, but even then it'd be better to get over it and start scum hunting again.

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I peeked Haly and they were town.

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If I were to vote for someone outside of the, eh, triangle? Still Splinter, but I liked his posts today. Maybe Burb or WAMD.

The vote here is fine, but I'm quoting it still since I've done so with other people as well. Ty definitely keeps the Ouro v Verelios narrative prevalent in his vote-post, which is a good sign.

What does bother me is how... safe I felt he was playing yesterday. He had a real life reason for not posting much during D2, but even then I can't remember anything from the few posts he did make. It felt like flying under the radar, which is something that bothers me.
 
AbsolutBro:



This vote was made during the initial rush to vote on Verelios, when it didn't seem that Ouro train would catch on.



This vote was made to remove the Verelios vote little away from the turbo, it seems. It was also made after Splinter took his stance, and the Ouro v Zeke narrative was forming. No other vote on Ouro at that point though, outside Zeke and Splinter.



This vote was the hammer. At this point it seemed pretty likely that the Ouro vote wouldn't catch fire.

Simply judging from voting pattern, these vote-posts seem pretty short, and not much justification is given to them. So it does bother me, feels little like opportunistic scum while not really committing in order to evade heat. However, I have been tunneling on AB this game, so I have to look deeper on this.

My thing with AB is how...passive he is in these posts. He was so feisty on day one when he took a lot of heat, but on day two he let everyone else duke it out, barely contributed, and only voted Verelios when his lynch was all but assured.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Burby, what do you think would have happened if the ouro vote somehow managed to pass?

Ouro would have flipped his role that he had. Zeke would have looked like an innocent bystander, like I said before, so he would have been given a pass from his actions, even if it wouldn't have cleared him.

On N2, Verelios would have most likely used his ability. There is a possibly that he wouldn't have, since Ouro's lie would have been exposed. Zeke would have possibly given scum a second NK.

On D3, I think Verelios would have been called out from his disappearance during D2.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Haven't read everything yet but daaaaaamn Ouro? You went super saiyan 3.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
Wasn't AB one of the bigger vote targets on D1? If he stopped posting as much on D2, it could've been to take the heat off himself while we were all focused on the V/Ouro/Zeke saga.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I'm currently favoring a cherry/absolutebro lynch. Probably AB more just going by voting patterns.
 
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