Xamtheking
Member
Sorian you straight up made Widow's role from your fake claim in Batman
Don't think I didn't see you
Don't think I didn't see you
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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload
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AbsolutBro
Member
RIP Ouro. You did a damn good job sir.
Also whoever sniped Widowmaker. That has to hurt scum team.
Also whoever sniped Widowmaker. That has to hurt scum team.
5 points to Gryffindor. Now I was retroactively correct when I said that was totally a real role.
Cherry Bomb
Neo Member
Wait, so liek, 0uro wasn't a cop? 0_o
He knew that both V and Zeke were baddies apparently, so either he had some srsly 1337 reads or someone granted him the powers of a cop or at least shared insight... _
This kinda changes everything, lol. Gonna go back and check over yesterday's accusations with this info in mind before rocketjumping to conclusions ^_^/
He knew that both V and Zeke were baddies apparently, so either he had some srsly 1337 reads or someone granted him the powers of a cop or at least shared insight... _
This kinda changes everything, lol. Gonna go back and check over yesterday's accusations with this info in mind before rocketjumping to conclusions ^_^/
melonrabbit
Member
At work will be able to post more later. OurI was 2 out of 2. Wonder why Rage put himself on the line like that.
amazing
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Because somehow Ouro must've known he was the real WM, and fakeclaimed to draw him out to defend the role / his scum buddy.
That's the only thing I can think of.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
But how did Ouro know Verelios was scum????
Zeke might have been trying to earn town points too. After all, Ouro legitimately wasn't Widowmaker, and we would have seen that on the flip. It wouldn't have cleared him in town's eyes, but it would have been brushed off until Verelios flipped at least.
The million dollar question, isn't it?
Xamtheking
Member
Verelious drank his kool-aid
Barrylocke
Member
Tunneling on his suspicions from day 1, and then claiming cop because someone, I forget who was like "are you saying you're the cop?" He probably figured that he could eat a scum bullet 2 to protect some other investigation role as a bonus.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Damn. You're probably right. Ouro u da man
Splinter, why did you defend Zeke so hard yesterday?
Barrylocke
Member
The obvious place to look next is probably those that were pushing a vote between ouro and ezekel. If Verelios survived one more night then he could at least use his shield thing to keep his buddied safe before he was inevitably lynched later.
Barrylocke
Member
So you think someone else killed ouro? Or that ezekel used that sniper to kill someone before he died?
...Why would scum kill Zeke, and not Ouro. I can't understand this logic at all.
Xamtheking
Member
Scum killing their own team-mate over a claimed doctor would be hilariously stupid.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Claimed Cop
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Scum Zeke tries to mafia vig shot Ouro, succeeds through the BP (assuming Ouro used it) and someone else swapped the other maf with Zeke. Both die.
Xamtheking
Member
1. Scum can't kill themselves voluntarily
2. Zeke went so deep trying to protect Verelios you could make the joking argument he was going to die anyway so scum just did it to get it over with
OK, post Verelios flip and his ridiculous power, I was ready to gloat on being mostly right on this. Ouro's flip and reveal of his pretty delightfully bold gambit changed things. Good job, buddy.
So here's my current thinking:
4, potentially 5-person scum team:
My current strong scum candidates:
Cherry Bomb
Sophia
Potential 5th candidates / strong scum leans:
Barrylocke
*Splinter
Light scum:
Ty4on
AB
alarming null reads on D3:
Bronx-Man
Haly
Cherry Bomb - Kyan laid the groundwork here, playing completely as normal and not being very helpful, not even placing a vote D1. Cherry Bomb I gave a chance on D2, but her summary post wasn't particularly informative, and it ended with a vote on the cop claim, which out of the three targets was definitely the weakest.
I'll say it right now since I didn't clearly yesterday: I didn't buy Zeke's claim one bit. This is why I was willing to go for Verelios as opposed to the counter claim.
Now *Splinter also set up shop on the Ouro lynch train, but right now I'm sort of conflicted how I read that. Vere was powerful, powerful enough to buy Zeke counter claiming to keep him alive one more night, but I don't buy scum *Splinter also trying to save Verelios, and going for Ouro instead of Zeke, having 2 scum try to protect 1. That's not a good trade off. Also *Splinter has shown before to be really stubborn and really wrong at the same time, so there's a decent chance that's the case again here.
I'm still pretty iffy on *Splinter, but where the day ended yesterday I was absolutely certain he was scum, so it's progress from then at least.
Android Sophia - I've been sort of flip flopping on Sophia, her behaviour at D1 end was scummy, where she was really trying to rid herself of responsibility for her vote. Unfortunately, not the first time she's done this and not a scum flag for her. Couple of things in D2 switched this around:
1)
She never voted on Verelios, despite there being significant periods of time where he was outside of turbo. She does state she'd like to see Vere go first though:
Yup, clear as mud. Even though she sort of backtracks on her decision in the same post, it's the closest I see to a hard stance on the subject.
2)
In order from earliest to latest:
Throwing shade without having evidence handy? Lovely.
My vote for ynnek was clear, I had listed why he was a lynch candidate before and was frustrated by his response with the No Lynch idea. I don't really know why I'm being linked with nin and Vere.
Yeah, I admit it's weak, unfortunately.
Besides Mazre and Haly, I'd like to hear more from Cabot and did like how he stepped it up today with the questions. Kind of waiting to have a long convo with him, actually.
Other events got in the way here, but I don't know the wording here seems off, as if she's waiting for me to be here. It's alright, I'm mostly here. Just chat away.
Don't know what this is. I had voted Verelios for a period of time on D1, because I scum read him, much like D2 with the added backup of a cop claim + red check. I ended the day on Ynnek and it was there for quite a bit before deadline.
It just feels like little throwaway comments to build shade for some almighty turn on me being a lynch target. The last post was made after nin claimed to have green checked me, which is fine. She could be thinking scum nin is clearing scum cabot, but there hasn't been a lot of sneaky suspicion thrown much his way aside from that train comment at the start.
As for the other Ouro voters, I still feel mostly good about franconp, he explained his thinking for Ouro clearly and while I disagree with the vote, I could see how he got there. There's a genuine eagerness to get to the truth I read from his posts that still has him as a solid town read.
Haly is all a bit of an unknown, he hinted to seeing something overnight but never elaborated. Perhaps it's time to do so.
Lynching Ouro would have given at least neutral points to Zeke as well, since scum knew Ouro wasn't Widowmaker.
Scum normal/strong killed Ouro, Zeke shot someone else. Someone else had protection.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
A Genji reflect?
Sorian was at Fanfest (which I was also watching via live stream) and he's doing manual votes. I erred on the side of caution to avoid hammering the vote, because I wanted to discuss and didn't know how close we were at majority.
The vote was promptly hammered while I was sleeping, so I didn't get a chance to vote for him.
Everyone remembers when I said that maybe Ouro was crazy and had a grudge against Vere? Well I was right. And reaaaaaaally lucky. He claimed WM and catches Eze too? Reaaaaaaaaaaally lucky.
I have some info related to the first night no kill which I will share when I get home.
I have some info related to the first night no kill which I will share when I get home.
Xamtheking
Member
Alright so
It's time for another one of my patent-pending Theories
Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen!
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I believe that the neutral is working against Town and might even be a killing role
My reasoning behind this is that last night, Ouro likely protected himself. After Verelios's flip, there was 0% chance he wouldn't get heat from Scum as they aren't gonna let a cop claim that lead to a lynch of one of their own go unpunished.
However, Ouro's power states that his vest was a 1-shot BP, so I think that both the neutral and the mafia tried to kill him, while a town vig killed Zeke
Another possibility is that the neutral is not a killing role and mafia strongkilled Ouro, who protected himself
It's time for another one of my patent-pending Theories
Buckle up, ladies and gentlemen!
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I believe that the neutral is working against Town and might even be a killing role
My reasoning behind this is that last night, Ouro likely protected himself. After Verelios's flip, there was 0% chance he wouldn't get heat from Scum as they aren't gonna let a cop claim that lead to a lynch of one of their own go unpunished.
However, Ouro's power states that his vest was a 1-shot BP, so I think that both the neutral and the mafia tried to kill him, while a town vig killed Zeke
Another possibility is that the neutral is not a killing role and mafia strongkilled Ouro, who protected himself
Don't even start, you ignored a counterclaim in favour of a gut read.
If yesterday had been Ouro v Zeke I'd happily go for the safe option, but so many people refusing to look at that had me convinced that Ouro was scum.
Here are all of the Ourobolus votes:
We should have a good idea of Zeke's motives here. It was both to save Verelios, and to make him look towny even if Ouro flipped town, since Zeke was actually the Widowmaker. It was a plan that would most likely result into both him and Verelios being lynched in the long run, but it would have bought scum time for sure, since Vere and Zeke both could have used their powers.
Then push for Verelios happens, then some light push backwards, and then
Like cabot, I feel diversive about *Splinter. I feel that he was sincere in his frustration yesterday, and I could see his viewpoint in things, even if lynching ouro would have lead town to a pretty disastrous N2, judging by Zeke's and Vere's flips. But on the other hand, he definitely did his best to change yesterday into Ouro vs Zeke narrative, something scum definitely would have wanted.
Haly had been a very non-presense in D2, only posting small posts, and not even very many of those. He first voted Verelios, citing "extra info" he has, something now Fran is claiming to have as well. But he then switches his vote to Ouro anyway, even though he has claimed Vere to be lying. Strange.
I think Fran had the best arguments when he voted Ouro. He definitely thought things through, and even had a vote on Verelios before making his judgement here. That makes me give him town-points, even though a scum could easily make this post as well.
I don't like this vote by Cherry. Like Splinter, she ignored Verelios, and makes the issue completely about Ouro vs Zeke, which is the point of view scum would have loved to spin.
We should have a good idea of Zeke's motives here. It was both to save Verelios, and to make him look towny even if Ouro flipped town, since Zeke was actually the Widowmaker. It was a plan that would most likely result into both him and Verelios being lynched in the long run, but it would have bought scum time for sure, since Vere and Zeke both could have used their powers.
Then push for Verelios happens, then some light push backwards, and then
Like cabot, I feel diversive about *Splinter. I feel that he was sincere in his frustration yesterday, and I could see his viewpoint in things, even if lynching ouro would have lead town to a pretty disastrous N2, judging by Zeke's and Vere's flips. But on the other hand, he definitely did his best to change yesterday into Ouro vs Zeke narrative, something scum definitely would have wanted.
Haly had been a very non-presense in D2, only posting small posts, and not even very many of those. He first voted Verelios, citing "extra info" he has, something now Fran is claiming to have as well. But he then switches his vote to Ouro anyway, even though he has claimed Vere to be lying. Strange.
I think Fran had the best arguments when he voted Ouro. He definitely thought things through, and even had a vote on Verelios before making his judgement here. That makes me give him town-points, even though a scum could easily make this post as well.
Ok, I'm mostly caught up and I can see 2wo sides to this issue (ง ̀_́ง
On the 1ne hand, 0uro seems h311a suspicious. 1st he claims a role that apparently Zeke has, then (j0ke?)claims one that's already dead. I dunno why he'd do this buuuut it is tr00 that he might've been trying to b8t the real Widowmaker (in which case Zeke fell right in2 his trap) (;*△*
In the end, I think it comes down to 0uro vs. Zeke. It's possible 0uro knows that Widow is a baddie and used that info to bait out a confession, in which case we should lynch Zeke. 0n the 0ther hand, 0uro could just be a lyncher out to kill Widow in which case we should frag him before he can do anything shady (telling people to specifically target Zeke tonight does s33m pretty 'spish tbh honest) 【・ヘ・?】
I think 4 now I'm going 2
Vote: Ourobolus
but I'm k33pin' meye eye on you, Zeke! (/(°∞°)\)
I don't like this vote by Cherry. Like Splinter, she ignored Verelios, and makes the issue completely about Ouro vs Zeke, which is the point of view scum would have loved to spin.
Ouro responds to Bronx, regarding vote count on Verelios.
32 minutes later, ya posted:
That's a miss alright, though I still think at the point you were posting, almost everyone had posted regarding the issue.
You were very apprehensive of your vote two days in a row.
I'll accept 'Sorian Sorian'd my vote power' as a reason.
You're taking away too much from Ouro, he made a bold play and went with his gut.
I should know, because I went with my gut too!
Flavor is not indicative of anything.
It was a judgement made by experience. I went through this in detail yesterday, and I don't wish to return to it any more, when we have more treads to discover. But I will say scum would have loved to make yesterday a Ouro v Zeke battle, and I don't doubt they tried to spin it that way.
What are these words?