Dead Prince
Banned
:chinstroke: destined to lose that match because they continued to go in 1 by 1. and the pople in the chat talking about we going to group up are the ones that are going in 1 by 1.
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Overwatch |OT5| 15 Million Strong, None Are On The Payload
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Garrett Hawke
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Whaaaaat
That's like 1% of the posts on the whole site
There's still time! If we all double post...
please say they pay by the hour...
Yes, I would like to see it. I don't play Genji currently but anything that increases my understanding of the game is a good thing, IMO.
Are we making a GAF Ball with our energy?
Kor of Memory
Member
I'm in here now.
ArgyleReptile
Banned
Speaking of the OT title, I just had my first match where the fact that no one was on the payload was obvious. Before, it'd be like a couple a seconds or so, but this time, we pushed through to the half way point of the stage fighting the other team but the payload was still at the beginning spot.
Incendiary
Banned
Nice, good choice for the title.
Just barely missed the cutoff for the wall o' shame, but I swear I'll make the OT5 list if it's the last thing I do!!
Also glad the GAF ID list is back in the OP - anybody who wants to buddy up feel free to add me on PSN! Although I'm taking a break from competitive until season 2.
Just barely missed the cutoff for the wall o' shame, but I swear I'll make the OT5 list if it's the last thing I do!!
Also glad the GAF ID list is back in the OP - anybody who wants to buddy up feel free to add me on PSN! Although I'm taking a break from competitive until season 2.
Red Arremer
Member
Also, I'm proud to say that I'm starting to figure out Zarya's beam.
optimus8936
Banned
This is what happened to me with Roadhog a while back. He was my fav, but not by a very large margin because I just wasn't very good with him. Then one day, for no reason, I'm hooking people left and right and I feel unstoppable. He's been my favorite character ever since and that won't change unless they need him to death(which will probably not happen) or they manage to somehow real ease a more fun character. I don't know if that's possible though.
It is the best feeling this game has to offer when you click with a character.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I don't know what this means, but yes, definitely.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
This is me in the summer when I come back from college
"Chris why don't you get a job"
"I would buy more games with the money and I already buy more than I physically have time to play so I'm confused why the idea of me having less time and more money could possibly be a good one."
Poodlestrike
Banned
I can't wallride worth a damn yet myself, but from what I've seen, it's about 50% picking your route and 50% managing your speedboost. It's not really something you can do well while healing.
Imagine if it had a PC community.
So, Genji is a bit different in how he has to be played and how he has to be played around. Somebody said "it's like a horror movie where people just get picked off one by one." That's actually not wrong. Genji is supposed to find a weak player, pick them off, then snowball off it until he wipes a whole team. With the single target burst damage he has, any mistake that isolates somebody lets Genji get going. The way that works in an actual match is something that is actually pretty specific and can be played around though.
To play around Genji, you need to have some bare minimums in mind. His burst combo (alt fire > melee > dash) from melee range is a maximum of 248 damage, but that's never going to happen unless you're AFK. Realistically, Genji is going to get 108-136 damage with his combo from melee range. The other long range Genji combo does is he lands a kunai or two from primary fire, follows it up with dash, then turns and does things like alt fire + melee. That realistically is going to be around the same damage as his other combo, if not a bit more. Other than that though, Genji's sustained DPS is kind of mediocre. His fire rate is slow and his projectiles are unlikely to fully hit anything smaller than a Reinhardt shield.
So like, that's what you're having to play around. The general strat is Genji gets you to that 120~ health range and flies in to murder you. In order for that to happen you have to take that much damage and be in a position where can safely go in on you and get out or snowball. In other words, somebody has to mess up a bit. If people are stacked around tanks and healers, it's unlikely for them to take enough damage to be in range of getting burst down, and it's less likely they are gonna be in a spot where Genji can manage to get a combo off. Compare this to like McCree where if you stick your face out of a shield for a second you might get 2 shot instantly. Genji relies on mistakes to get extremely hard punishes; other DPS have more constant ways to deal damage on smaller mistakes or normal poking situations.
So those bare minimums are stay stacked, stay healthy, be in a spot where you can jump into a tank or something if Genji finds you. In high level games, that is just normal. The way Genji gets an opening there is he just applies safe DPS from a distance until somebody sticks a bit too far out and takes damage. For example a Zenyatta was a bit too far out of group and ate a McCree shot. Genji is going to instantly kill him because he messed up, then the group snowballs the rest of the fight. In tournament play this rarely ever happens, but when it does Genji just wins a fight. It's why you see him on Dorado first point a lot. He gets high ground or some dumb flank path to catch somebody out. McCree is still more likely to just outright "win" a more solid fight with less mistakes through pure aim, but Genji will win off a mistake way harder.
"What about his amazing survivability?" Well, to be blunt, outside of a 1v1 situation it really doesn't matter too much. If you end up 1v1 against Genji you're going to lose the fight unless you bait reflect anyways. The only time it matters in group fights is if he manages to reflect something big and already had a good opening to be there in the fist place. Like, look at this way. Genji jumps into a fight and fails to kill, either he dies or jumps out and does nothing. Usually.
Then there's sword. Again, bare minimums here. You wanna deal with sword, you need to stagger ults around it. Even then, sword duration is kinda long for no reason so you have to play around it after you blow a defensive ult. The pay off to that is the same as other offensive ults, if you counter that you take the damage off the table. It's just admittedly harder to do. There's more to this in the fact you can hold CC or counter ult with an offensive ult, but I can be here all day talking about it. Sword is complicated. It's also really, really good.
I guess with all that in mind, it makes sense why Genji is better in solo q than in comp. It's more likely a single player will make a mistake and get caught out and die. It's harder to play around sword by staggering timed ults. It's harder to kill Genji when he does fuck up. It's more likely a fight will go on long enough for sword to be a really strong clean up. And so on.
Idk, there's a lot more to the character but that's the gist of how he works.
To play around Genji, you need to have some bare minimums in mind. His burst combo (alt fire > melee > dash) from melee range is a maximum of 248 damage, but that's never going to happen unless you're AFK. Realistically, Genji is going to get 108-136 damage with his combo from melee range. The other long range Genji combo does is he lands a kunai or two from primary fire, follows it up with dash, then turns and does things like alt fire + melee. That realistically is going to be around the same damage as his other combo, if not a bit more. Other than that though, Genji's sustained DPS is kind of mediocre. His fire rate is slow and his projectiles are unlikely to fully hit anything smaller than a Reinhardt shield.
So like, that's what you're having to play around. The general strat is Genji gets you to that 120~ health range and flies in to murder you. In order for that to happen you have to take that much damage and be in a position where can safely go in on you and get out or snowball. In other words, somebody has to mess up a bit. If people are stacked around tanks and healers, it's unlikely for them to take enough damage to be in range of getting burst down, and it's less likely they are gonna be in a spot where Genji can manage to get a combo off. Compare this to like McCree where if you stick your face out of a shield for a second you might get 2 shot instantly. Genji relies on mistakes to get extremely hard punishes; other DPS have more constant ways to deal damage on smaller mistakes or normal poking situations.
So those bare minimums are stay stacked, stay healthy, be in a spot where you can jump into a tank or something if Genji finds you. In high level games, that is just normal. The way Genji gets an opening there is he just applies safe DPS from a distance until somebody sticks a bit too far out and takes damage. For example a Zenyatta was a bit too far out of group and ate a McCree shot. Genji is going to instantly kill him because he messed up, then the group snowballs the rest of the fight. In tournament play this rarely ever happens, but when it does Genji just wins a fight. It's why you see him on Dorado first point a lot. He gets high ground or some dumb flank path to catch somebody out. McCree is still more likely to just outright "win" a more solid fight with less mistakes through pure aim, but Genji will win off a mistake way harder.
"What about his amazing survivability?" Well, to be blunt, outside of a 1v1 situation it really doesn't matter too much. If you end up 1v1 against Genji you're going to lose the fight unless you bait reflect anyways. The only time it matters in group fights is if he manages to reflect something big and already had a good opening to be there in the fist place. Like, look at this way. Genji jumps into a fight and fails to kill, either he dies or jumps out and does nothing. Usually.
Then there's sword. Again, bare minimums here. You wanna deal with sword, you need to stagger ults around it. Even then, sword duration is kinda long for no reason so you have to play around it after you blow a defensive ult. The pay off to that is the same as other offensive ults, if you counter that you take the damage off the table. It's just admittedly harder to do. There's more to this in the fact you can hold CC or counter ult with an offensive ult, but I can be here all day talking about it. Sword is complicated. It's also really, really good.
I guess with all that in mind, it makes sense why Genji is better in solo q than in comp. It's more likely a single player will make a mistake and get caught out and die. It's harder to play around sword by staggering timed ults. It's harder to kill Genji when he does fuck up. It's more likely a fight will go on long enough for sword to be a really strong clean up. And so on.
Idk, there's a lot more to the character but that's the gist of how he works.
Reinhardt is Overwatchs most straightforward tank. Hes got a big ol hammer, lots of armor, and a holographic shield allies can shoot through but enemies cant.
- Your shield is not invincible, and it will eventually shatter. While waiting for it to recharge, dont be afraid to go on the offensive a bit. Charge someone if theyre nearby, or just go smashy smashy with your hammer for a second. Its better than running and hiding, as that strategy leaves your team entirely tankless.
- Always be on the lookout for enemies who want to get behind your shield. Harassers like Tracer can get your back if youre not careful, as can grenade lobbers like Junkrat and snipers like Widowmaker. Ive even come across crafty Roadhogs who flank n yank. You dont want to be flanked and yanked. Trust me.
- Above all else, your goal is to absorb damage. Your team is reliant on you. Without you, the formation crumbles. Prioritize that first and foremost.
good news! discord is hopefully getting deleted.
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20748394719?page=1#post-20
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20748394719?page=1#post-20
optimus8936
Banned
Have your shield up 90% of the time. Once your team picks off two or three guys, rush in and add your damage so you can help finish off the rest because 3 or 4 guys won't really make a difference, shield or not. Always fire strike where there are s you get 10% ult charge off of it. Only charge when your team wants to be aggressive and they start pushing past your shield. Try and slowly walk towards the point with your shield up and once you get close enough to the point, charge in there and start killing people because your shield won't be as useful in close quarters. Like every other ult, use it at the right time. It's generally a counter ult, so use it on Genji swords, Ana ults, etc. Make sure you have a healer with you when you charge in as a lot of people will focus on you.
Atraveller
Banned
Zenyatta irrelevant again.
30% is my guess. Still more powerful than a Mercy boost, but less might be too little.
I wonder if they're gonna try again with a Mercy buff just to make her viable again.
Red Arremer
Member
Some mechanics things:
Your hammer hitbox is massive and reaches even to your sides.
Your shield regenerates while you have it off; if it breaks, it recharges a lot slower.
If you hit your firestrike on multiple targets you get a lot of ult charge out of it.
You can't stop your shoulder charge before hitting a wall or its maximum range (which is quite far), but you can steer during it.
Several attacks can go through your shield: Symmetra's beams and energy spheres and Winston's tesla gun, Hanzo's dragon. Probably something else that I'm forgetting. People also can just walk through it.
However, you can block some ults from enemies, such as D.Va's.
You have the best highlight intro in the game.
I'd come up with something better right now, but I'm nearly passing out, and I feel like Reinhardt is fairly straight forward to be reasonably competent with.
One thing though: Don't just walk forward slowly with your shield up. You have a lot of health and ideally, your support behind you to heal your ass. You should be at the front line always, rather than behind your teammates. If that means taking a shot or two, that's fine.
Okay excellent, thank you both! I'll keep going over all of these points and hopefully I should be good to go.
Definitely seems like you need more situational awareness than any other tank character, which is cool because I spent a lot of time as support before getting pretty good with D.Va.
Thank you! I did notice that last night that his shield can block D.Va's self-destruct, I was left a bit baffled at first lol
Reverend Funk
Comfy Penetration
If everyone on the other team in competitive leaves, do I just not get points or something? That just happened and I'm hoping its just a bug
BTW, Overwatch World Cup voting is live now:
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/worldcup/
Here's info on some of the nominated players:
https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-08-11-overwatch-world-cup-meet-the-players
Voted Talespin, Seagull, Harbleu, and Adam for Team USA. 8)
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/worldcup/
Here's info on some of the nominated players:
https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-08-11-overwatch-world-cup-meet-the-players
Voted Talespin, Seagull, Harbleu, and Adam for Team USA. 8)
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It's the most obvious thing.
I dunno, even 30% might be too strong. I think the thing to concentrate on is to make his own dps strong instead of him making everyone in his team into dps monsters.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
I decided to push my luck last night and added one more loss to the 5 game losing streak. I dropped from 61 to 57 in the space of a few hours. Last game was attack on Dorado, 3 teammates left alive, but none were on the payload. *Sigh*, there goes by wishes of hitting 65 before season ends. 17 more wins needed for a golden gun.
Genji's Dragonblade is the ability that needs to be neutered. Especially when you get Ana to "pump him up" and he can unleash hell upon your team.
Red Arremer
Member
D.Va plays somewhat similarly to Reinhardt, only that D.Va also has flanking capabilities, while Reinhardt is more the "in the middle of the action" kinda guy.
I would argue that Zarya requires a lot more situational awareness than any other tank, if not character, since your usefulness to your team really requires you to keep an eye out for all of them, but generally as a supportive hero type (tank or actual support) you have to be aware of the situation to note when to use your defensive skill/change healing targets/etc.
they are also buffing Mei's ult.
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20748005067?page=5#post-81
disgusting!
I wonder if Defense Matrix still erases her projectile lol, it feels so good when it happens.
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20748005067?page=5#post-81
disgusting!
I wonder if Defense Matrix still erases her projectile lol, it feels so good when it happens.
Ish. In solo q it's just slightly too good. Knock 2 seconds off it, make it charge a bit slower. No need to neuter it.
I know none of the brazilians ¦3
edit: there's one with Bastion as one of his most used, that's one vote down.
Very true, I haven't really checked out Zarya yet but that definitely makes sense now that I think about it just going from other players.
Seems like I should be good to go with Reinhardt.
Sleeping Lesson
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Just had a game where I suddenly couldn't spawn. Timer said "You will respawn in 0 seconds" and just sat there. Switched heroes, paused unpaused, nothing.
I can agree with their reasoning. Too often, players will runaway from Snowball's radius, when it's supposed to slow them down and gradually damage them. Her Ice Wall also needs to be fixed, as before the changes to Mei's hitbox, she now slides off it, when she could easily stand on it without much issue.
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